Just now, Roost it far said:

Feels like gif time to me

Onley, L Pickett & White have joined the Match SIM

2 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Feels like gif time to me

Turner & Max jogging laps together.

Lindsay on the bikes

I’ll elaborate on individual players from the Match SIM later but overall the SIM was very fast paced and tackling was fierce. Skills were hit and miss (some was superb) but the pressure was high and it was 16 on 16 utilizing the whole ground.

54 minutes ago, Demonland said:

He is there. Missed him in number order as I haven’t been practicing my jumper number exercises.

How do you sleep?

Edited 19 hours ago19 hr by Salems Lot

Match SIM finished. They’ve split into two groups for two separate drills. One drill starts on the wing and involves two players kicking a ball each to two assistants and getting the ball back and kicking to a leading forward either Mihocek, JVR, Jefferson, Fritsch or White.

I can’t work out what is happening with the other drill. Mostly defenders but Windsor and Pickett involved too. Mix of red and pink bibs but it doesn’t appear as if the bibs mean anything as red kicking to pink. It will remain a mystery. 🤣

In summary. Rehab started with Viney, Matthews, Melksham, AMW, McAdam & Henderson.

During training Max, Lindsay, & Turner all came from the field and took no further part in training. Max ran some short runs along the boundary, Turner ran a number of laps and Lindsay ran some laps and got then got on the bikes. None of them look too hampered and at this stage I would say it is precautionary. Watch this space.

Bowey in civvies with crutches and moon boot on left foot.

The Russian Mark Jamar is here taking Campbell and Heath for a session on the rucking bag. 

45 minutes ago, BangBnagBang said:

SNAP. Did Geelong waste Holmes playing at HB for periods early in his career, or was it development.

Is Willmott wasted playing at HB for Bris???

Sometimes a fixed mindset is unhealthy.

He was a terrible defender who lost confidence and got beaten so often, not everyone can defend and you cant always make them better and Windsor got worse as the year went on. But not only that we stifled any growth and advancement in his second year where we needed players who could move the ball better into the f50.
Holmes played more HBF because he wasnt good enough to play in the mid, now they move him there for short bursts to break a tag.

May and Petty doing timed 150m runs around the boundary. 

51 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

What is this wizardry, this craft they weave ...

49 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Split into two groups. Red and white bibs for Match SIM

MIDS

RED Max, Culley Windsor, Sparrow Rivers

WHITE Campbell Pickett Langford Tholstrup Steele

Not participating: White, L Pickett, Onley

So maybe just working things out, but Campbell > smaller Max ??

44 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Max has come from the field and doing some short 50m runs.

Walking wounded today. 😳

39 minutes ago, Demonland said:

When Max came off. Campbell took white bibs off and became a red and Heath took over the White rucking duties. Pecking order?

So Big Max off, with smaller Max on.

You mention White rucking duties - but not Kalani.

All very confusing 🙃

Drill:

9 vs 5 Fast ball movement and gut running drill. Ball starts on half back with ground ball get. Fast ball movement down the field. Lots of playing on. Once the ball get to the forward line. The assistants kick the ball quickly to each other up the field and getting the ball back to the deep in the back line as the participating players have to gut run to defense to do it all again. After the second forward entry the 14 participating players swap out with the other group. Rinse and Repeat. Players gassed at the end.

9 minutes ago, monoccular said:

So maybe just working things out, but Campbell > smaller Max ??

So Big Max off, with smaller Max on.

You mention White rucking duties - but not Kalani.

All very confusing 🙃

white bibs. Kalani White playing as a forward in drills. 

A question for track watchers / those who have been more involved in amateur / semi professional footy than I have:

What are the benefits of doing these drills where the ‘attacking’ group outnumbers the ‘defending’ group as per Andy’s post above?

I know that’s the ideal situation we’d want to simulate on game day, but I feel part of our problem has been that we haven’t been able to generate that out number when the pressure has been on in a real game

Would it make more sense to try and do these drills with an even number of players, or potentially even a disadvantage in numbers, to better simulate a game day situation? Or is it the case that we’re never going to create that situation on game day unless we practice it in training?

It sounds a bit chicken or egg when I put it that way 🐓

Edited 18 hours ago18 hr by demoncat

1 minute ago, demoncat said:

A question for track watchers / those who have been more involved in amateur / semi professional footy than I have:

What are the benefits of doing these drills where the ‘attacking’ group outnumbers the ‘defending’ group as per Andy’s post above?

I know that’s the ideal situation we’d want to simulate on game day, but I feel part of our problem has been that we haven’t been able to generate that out number when the pressure has been on in a real game

Would it make more sense to try and do these drills with an even number of players, or potentially even a disadvantage in numbers, to better simulate a game day situation? Or is it the case that we’re never going to create that situation on game day unless we practice it in training?

In my total uninformed opinion I would say the purpose of some of these drills is the ball movement and how they want to move the ball into attack. The outnumbered defenders are there to provide a little bit of pressure and not to practice defense. 

Just an FYI the first episode of the dees training camp ‘The Amazing Race’ will be available to watch via YouTube at 5pm today! Hopefully a good entertaining watch with great insight into the training camp in Bright.

4 minutes ago, demoncat said:

What are the benefits of doing these drills where the ‘attacking’ group outnumbers the ‘defending’ group as per Andy’s post above?

The coaches are trying to teach the players what success in that behaviour is. For example, in this drill they are being taught the right system to move the ball up the ground. In order to do that you need to get them comfortable doing these behaviours in a controlled environment so that it becomes automatic, which is incredibly difficult to do under match conditions. equal defenders and attackers causes chaos and the highest pressure is not a good way to learn new behaviours that aren't habits yet since all you will do is fail or fall back into your old habits/instincts. As the saying goes, no plan survives first contact with the enemy (or, as Mike Tyson said, everyone has a plan until you get punched in the face!).

The progression for this would be to do it with no pressure, so that the movement can be seen under perfect conditions to get in the habit. Then add a little bit of pressure at a time (extra defenders) until these behaviours become habits in more pressured situation. There's simply too much pressure in even numbered drills to learn a new skill or behaviour because it doesn't give you time to think about what you're doing. Less pressure means more time to think and hence more time to practice the new behaviour until that new behaviour becomes the habit you fall back into under high/game pressure.

8 minutes ago, demoncat said:

A question for track watchers / those who have been more involved in amateur / semi professional footy than I have:

What are the benefits of doing these drills where the ‘attacking’ group outnumbers the ‘defending’ group as per Andy’s post above?

I know that’s the ideal situation we’d want to simulate on game day, but I feel part of our problem has been that we haven’t been able to generate that out number when the pressure has been on in a real game

Would it make more sense to try and do these drills with an even number of players, or potentially even a disadvantage in numbers, to better simulate a game day situation? Or is it the case that we’re never going to create that situation on game day unless we practice it in training?

It sounds a bit chicken or egg when I put it that way 🐓

In my also uninformed opinion, I'd say that when we get these opportunities, we need to convert them into quality shots and goals. It's all very well and good having the extra number but knowing how to exploit it is just as important because that's how we turn those opportunities into goals. If we convert 80% of those chances vs 65%, that's probably the difference between winning 12 games and winning 6 games.

We can practice a numbers disadvantage too, but the conversion rate of those changes will be low no matter what we do, especially on game day.

I suppose drills are also practice. Skills build over time and repetition. It's like playing a musical instrument. You might want to learn something complicated and fast, but you start off more slowly and as you learn what you need to do, you build speed over time.

Everyone's dead again, the tank is ON!

Out of interest, have we done any simulations regarding final 2 minutes and need to score / need to protect the lead.

I appreciate ball movement is probably more important but do remember when Macrae came into collingwood, they apparently did these drills from day 1 (they had a lot of ball movement work to do as well with the slow moving buckley style being replaced with Macrae's approach).

19 minutes ago, Demonland said:

In my total uninformed opinion I would say the purpose of some of these drills is the ball movement and how they want to move the ball into attack. The outnumbered defenders are there to provide a little bit of pressure and not to practice defense. 

Agree.

The one thing I took from today was about kicking the ball into the space where the receiver has to run, not directly to the receiver. It forces, for example, the forward to go to where the ball is delivered, not where they think they should lead to. And it forces the person with the ball to kick to the most advantageous location, because they have better vision of the defence. It is early days, but teaching players not to kick to a leading forward, but rather to the best position for that forward, takes time. When they have got the hang of it, then more defenders can be employed progressively until we get to match day reality.