11 minutes ago, BAMF said:

Cal Twomey has said that this year will see a record low number of draft picks used. Other media outlets (Herald Sun, ESPN) have said the same thing.

It's shallow.

There are no standout top talent like other years, like a Harley Reid (2023) or Sam Darcy, JHF, Nick Daicos (2021). There is a real lack of key position players. The WA cohort is reported as the worst its ever been.

2024 was reported to be a stronger/deeper draft with good key position players but was also reported that the there was no standout top picks. That worked out fine for us and all I care about is that our top two picks this year are at the top end before the more speculative picks come into play.

I'm really looking forward to see who Jason Taylor will pick. I think the only kid I dont really want is Schubert as he isnt a need.

Also intrigued to see if we trade up for Robey. I think the price of the trade might be too much though.

I hate to tell you but we need a key forward

37 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

I don't know if Schubert would hinder any of our key forwards, that's a bit harsh. I think we will move up the ladder I think we can finish anywhere between 7th and 12th. If we don't we can always try and pick up a midfielder in that draft. It's easier finding midfielders than key forwards in the draft.

38 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

I don't know if Schubert would hinder any of our key forwards, that's a bit harsh. I think we will move up the ladder I think we can finish anywhere between 7th and 12th. If we don't we can always try and pick up a midfielder in that draft. It's easier finding midfielders than key forwards in the draft.

38 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

I don't know if Schubert would hinder any of our key forwards, that's a bit harsh. I think we will move up the ladder I think we can finish anywhere between 7th and 12th. If we don't we can always try and pick up a midfielder in that draft. It's easier finding midfielders than key forwards in the draft.

38 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

I don't know if Schubert would hinder any of our key forwards, that's a bit harsh. I think we will move up the ladder I think we can finish anywhere between 7th and 12th. If we don't we can always try and pick up a midfielder in that draft. It's easier finding midfielders than key forwards in the draft.

40 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

I don't know if Schubert would hinder any of our key forwards, that's a bit harsh. I think we will move up the ladder I think we can finish anywhere between 7th and 12th. If we don't we can always try and pick up a midfielder in that draft. It's easier finding midfielders than key forwards in the draft.

Sorry I’ve butchered the reply and don’t know how to fix it but anyway it wasn’t a knock on Schubert I was just talking about how when you play 4 tall forwards at Casey who are all young it can stunt there development and I hope your right but I’d still draft a mid rhis year as I still don’t think butters would entertain the thought of us

Butters isn't coming to MFC and we'd be dumb to get in that fight. Port will match too so it will be a trade, not FA.

We should continue our good work and concentrate on wooing Humphrey, even though he's a longshot too.

Crafting our draft selections this year on the basis of them being available next year, ie not taking a mid, would be crazy stuff.

Edited yesterday at 22:051 day by old55

Just now, old55 said:

Butters isn't coming to MFC and we'd be dumb to get in that fight. Port will match too so it will be a trade, not FA.

We should continue our good work and concentrate on to wooing Humphrey, even though he's a longshot too.

Crafting our draft selections this year on the basis of them being available next year, ie not taking a mid, would be crazy stuff.

We should be throwing everything at free agent Ben King too. Bring them over together.

1 minute ago, Mouseymoo said:

We should be throwing everything at free agent Ben King too. Bring them over together.

Yes, there's definitely no harm and possibly some benefit in offering King a monster contract too because GC wouldn't be able to match but would have to pay up big to re-sign him and that would help in the Humphrey chase.

3 minutes ago, old55 said:

Butters isn't coming to MFC and we'd be dumb to get in that fight. Port will match too so it will be a trade, not FA.

We should continue our good work and concentrate on wooing Humphrey, even though he's a longshot too.

Crafting our draft selections this year on the basis of them being available next year, ie not taking a mid, would be crazy stuff.

There are always mids in the draft but not so many key talls. I'd have Schubert for one other reason he's tough, Grlj isn't. Why do you think we have no chance with Butters? I think your all wrong. Port aren't in a premiership window like Gold Coast it would be harder to get Humphrey and\or King than it would be to get Butters over.

35 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

There are always mids in the draft but not so many key talls. I'd have Schubert for one other reason he's tough, Grlj isn't. Why do you think we have no chance with Butters? I think your all wrong. Port aren't in a premiership window like Gold Coast it would be harder to get Humphrey and\or King than it would be to get Butters over.

Aiden Johnson is tougher than Nick Daicos but ...

Butters will get paid an enormous amount wherever he goes and yes he'll probably go to a team vying for a flag. That's not currently us.

Humphrey is a longshot but we may be able to offer him better terms than anyone else and he might like us from our respectful attention this year.

2 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

There are always mids in the draft but not so many key talls. I'd have Schubert for one other reason he's tough, Grlj isn't. Why do you think we have no chance with Butters? I think your all wrong. Port aren't in a premiership window like Gold Coast it would be harder to get Humphrey and\or King than it would be to get Butters over.

Grlj is actually a fairly tough competitor from all I’ve seen and willing to put body on the line

3 hours ago, old55 said:

Butters isn't coming to MFC and we'd be dumb to get in that fight. Port will match too so it will be a trade, not FA.

We should continue our good work and concentrate on wooing Humphrey, even though he's a longshot too.

Crafting our draft selections this year on the basis of them being available next year, ie not taking a mid, would be crazy stuff.

Grlj is the next Butters anyway. 😉

18 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

Grlj is the next Butters anyway.

15 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

I wonder what people's thought are on going both needs based in Dovastan and Schubert. We have a lot of tall forwards but they don't say pick me. That's why I've been thinking of Schubert more and more. We have Mihocek but he only has 2 years left and the rest have struggled to get a game. Schubert is supposed to be a contested marking beast we really don't have that.

We need a small forward now that Pickett plays more midfield. We have Chandler who is good but great. Dovastan has kicked 53 goals this year we need someone like that. I think with 3 to 15 being so even we may go needs instead of best available. I think we only have one more year to get the small forward and key forward spots right or we are stuffed for years.

1. Duursma

2. Duff-Tytler (West Coast need a ruckman)

3. Robey (the best of an even bunch)

4. This where it gets interesting. Do they go for the flashier player in Grlj, or do they go for the more proven player in X.Taylor? I think if I was Richmond I'd go with the more proven player in X.Taylor.

5. Essendon don't have a midfield so they will need to boost it by picking Sharp at 5 and

6. Cumming at 6

7. This is where we have both of our picks and I think we will go needs Schubert at 7 and

8. Dovastan at 8

9. Grlj slides to 9

10. J.Lindsay rounds out the top 10 not including bids.

I see that Norm Smith has White being bidded on in the 60's we would be pretty stiff for that to happen. I don't think the draft will last 60 picks. We havn't delisted a player to make way for White so I think it's safe to say that White will be a rookie.

I would be all in favour of going with Dovaston & Schubert, more so because I think they both profile as really good prospects rather than drafting based on needs, they just also happen to suit our needs.

You can't ask for much more in a small forward prospect than Dovaston, he impacts the game in all areas whether that be effectively linking up high up the ground, applying defensive heat, and he finds ways to get lots of shots on goal every game he plays in, he just needs to work on the consistency of his finishing. For me profiles very much like Papley and he also plays with that same [censored] mentality Papley brings which I think would be great.

I think many are turned off by Schubert from PTSD of our lack of success of drafting key forwards early particularly with Jefferson. I wasn't much of a fan of Jefferson as a prospect in his draft year due to him profiling as a one trick pony close to goal only finisher with not particularly great hands, I see Schubert as a significantly better prospect than what Jeffo was. Schubert has a rare blend of size & athleticism at 198cm with an enormous wingspan but with great mobility running a 6:21 2km time trial which was top 10 for all prospects. You'll see in his clips there seems to be no one on him quite a bit which is from his ability to work his opponent over and get in the right position. He does show flashes of clean hands with his contested marking which can be improved but he never gets outmarked and shows craft with bodywork in contested marking situations. The main thing that foes under the radar though with Schubert is his ruck work is really good, he shows good craft with his tap work and his mobility around the ground allows him to rack up lots of marks and touches around the ground, highlighted by a 24d, 1g, 35 hitout game late in the year playing as a pure ruck. If he played the full year as a pure ruck he probably would also profile as a top 10 prospect as a ruckman. There's no doubt he is raw at the moment with this year being his first year solely focusing on footy with previously balancing his time as a high level basketball athlete. He's got work to do on his kicking in front of goal and around the ground, as well as his ground level craft. There is so much to work with though with his versatility he's shown to play close to goal, high up the ground (never had less than 15d in SANFL U18 and only 5 games under 20d), and ruck. For me I think he profiles similarly to Sam Darcy if he was 5-10 cms smaller where he is effective deep, high, and as a ruck, no doubt it is going to take some time but upside is sky high.

I rate both quite higher than Grjl & Lindsay who I don't think will translate as well to AFL level.

16 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

I wonder what people's thought are on going both needs based in Dovastan and Schubert. We have a lot of tall forwards but they don't say pick me. That's why I've been thinking of Schubert more and more. We have Mihocek but he only has 2 years left and the rest have struggled to get a game. Schubert is supposed to be a contested marking beast we really don't have that.

We need a small forward now that Pickett plays more midfield. We have Chandler who is good but great. Dovastan has kicked 53 goals this year we need someone like that. I think with 3 to 15 being so even we may go needs instead of best available. I think we only have one more year to get the small forward and key forward spots right or we are stuffed for years.

1. Duursma

2. Duff-Tytler (West Coast need a ruckman)

3. Robey (the best of an even bunch)

4. This where it gets interesting. Do they go for the flashier player in Grlj, or do they go for the more proven player in X.Taylor? I think if I was Richmond I'd go with the more proven player in X.Taylor.

5. Essendon don't have a midfield so they will need to boost it by picking Sharp at 5 and

6. Cumming at 6

7. This is where we have both of our picks and I think we will go needs Schubert at 7 and

8. Dovastan at 8

9. Grlj slides to 9

10. J.Lindsay rounds out the top 10 not including bids.

I see that Norm Smith has White being bidded on in the 60's we would be pretty stiff for that to happen. I don't think the draft will last 60 picks. We havn't delisted a player to make way for White so I think it's safe to say that White will be a rookie.

I think you are spot on. The departure of oliver and trac gives runway to pickett, langford, lindsay, windsor and rivers, guys Id pencil in to be above average or elite in future years.

Meanwhile our key forwards output is below average or whatever the opposite of elite is. Folks talk about ball movement, but the numbers from this year simply dont show that. We were unable to take kpf marks in our forward 50 (our smaller players and medium mids had no such problem with ball movement) . Additionally, where we were terrible (league worst) was letting opppnents mark inside 50 per inside 50. May isnt getting better, Mcvee was off a pace, and without Lever we were often lost on transition. We have more problems at either end of the ground than people think. We need forwards who are atheletic and can beat their opponents consistently. Petty and Jvr and Mihocek can all have their days, but will go missing week in week out.

Edited 19 hours ago19 hr by Jjrogan

16 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

I wonder what people's thought are on going both needs based in Dovastan and Schubert. We have a lot of tall forwards but they don't say pick me. That's why I've been thinking of Schubert more and more. We have Mihocek but he only has 2 years left and the rest have struggled to get a game. Schubert is supposed to be a contested marking beast we really don't have that.

We need a small forward now that Pickett plays more midfield. We have Chandler who is good but great. Dovastan has kicked 53 goals this year we need someone like that. I think with 3 to 15 being so even we may go needs instead of best available. I think we only have one more year to get the small forward and key forward spots right or we are stuffed for years.

1. Duursma

2. Duff-Tytler (West Coast need a ruckman)

3. Robey (the best of an even bunch)

4. This where it gets interesting. Do they go for the flashier player in Grlj, or do they go for the more proven player in X.Taylor? I think if I was Richmond I'd go with the more proven player in X.Taylor.

5. Essendon don't have a midfield so they will need to boost it by picking Sharp at 5 and

6. Cumming at 6

7. This is where we have both of our picks and I think we will go needs Schubert at 7 and

8. Dovastan at 8

9. Grlj slides to 9

10. J.Lindsay rounds out the top 10 not including bids.

I see that Norm Smith has White being bidded on in the 60's we would be pretty stiff for that to happen. I don't think the draft will last 60 picks. We havn't delisted a player to make way for White so I think it's safe to say that White will be a rookie.

I think when you get a chance at having two top 10 picks you take mids unless they’re a Luke Jackson. In saying this, I’m all for a Grlj + Dovaston as Duursma and Robey won’t be in our reach so I’m happy to take a punt on a small like Dovaston.

2 weeks tomorrow until Latrelle is a Dee

3 hours ago, adonski said:

2 weeks tomorrow until Latrelle is a Dee

A thousand miles to go before that happens

4 hours ago, adonski said:

2 weeks tomorrow until Latrelle is a Dee

So you're a Latrelle thinker, huh?

15 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

So you're a Latrelle thinker, huh?

Oh this thread is about to go sideways

7 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Oh this thread is about to go sideways

i can see the parallels between this thread and was it the humphrey thread?

22 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Fair enough. What's the knock on Schubert?

I prefer Grlj, Cumming, Josh Lindsay & Dovaston. They have the talent and ability to add to our team in 2026 and have shown high quality AFL attributes.

What’s the knock on Schubert?

In my opinion …

He’s shown ability to mark and cover ground as a mobile tall. He’s got forward ability with reach and marking.

But he’s raw. He turns over the footy with lack of composure. His kicking is average. His goalkicking run in is stuttering and not unlike Jesse Hogan but without the solid finish. He needs time. At least a few years of development. I also think there was no real quality tall defenders in the Under 18 championship which helped some of these young forwards look better. I think we have a few young developing tall forwards and at 7&8, there are better options.