14 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

He's not alone. Chandler one of the worst offenders here also.

Chandler was also on his own in the middle just off the square during one of McVee's kick ins late in the third.

Instead of leading and calling for the over the top kick into the middle he points and heads straight out to the skinny side where the ball ends up on top of everyone's heads and turns into a 50/50 at ground level.

Luckily Culley ends up with it and runs / handballs our way out of congestion which i think Chin ends up on the end of it giving it to Melk who gets the joe-the-goose goal to Tracc.

Chin is a handy player but alot of his good work is undone by his poor decision making / lack of composure / awareness on occasions.

That's not to say Chin never lowers his vision or hits targets but he should be doing alot less of the bombing / lack of awareness things now given his experience.

Unfortunately they're still happening though and in some cases, costing us opportunities in transition where we have advantage in play and should be punishimg the oppo more often.

I wonder too if the habit of leading through the centre square has been drilled out of them. I.e. why bother calling for it in the middle.

We are a predictable hug the boundary line team as we leave defence almost always.

The only time we went hard and fast was off turnovers off half back which was great to see.

Apart from using turnover opportunities, we just don't seem to use the centre corridor much at all.

Looking forward to a new coaching group

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

If you feel compelled to hang onto Goodwin that's your call.

Totally unnecessary; unproductive and puerile. If you can’t come back with a valid counter-argument, maybe don’t say anything at all.

2 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

Totally unnecessary; unproductive and puerile. If you can’t come back with a valid counter-argument, maybe don’t say anything at all.

Really... my God..

You've just proved a point

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

Really... my God..

You've just proved a point

Geez it’s tough for you now that Goody’s gone. Who’re you gonna relentlessly bag? Oh that’s right: you can continue to bag him anyways, I’m sure there’s no statute of limitations. You and your little mini-me Hopeful Demon can go nuts!

I thought the Dogs top 10 players were really good but then their team tapers off really quick. Probably why they are outside the 8.

Dees overall is a better team but lacks top end class, especially in front of goals.

If Nauts was in a Dees jumper.....

Just now, Fritta and Turner said:

If Nauts was in a Dees jumper.....

All good, F&T. Luker already is 😉

I think it was definitely time for Goodwin to leave, but on Sunday I shook my head when we chipped it around the half forward line at the Punt Road end and then, after what seemed like a all-too-slow build up that would inevitably end with a high kick to the hot spot, we found van Rooyen on the lead with a 23 to 30 metre bullet.

As far as I understand it, that's exactly what Goodwin was aiming for as he "transitioned" to a new game style (and when the fast break wasn't on). But it happened all too infrequently.

Happy to reiterate for those who don’t understand football and energetics

Kade Chandler [censored] blocks our flow, and

Here’s why:

1. He plays with an insecurity that he masks by overgesticulating, applauding other players, pointing and remonstrating, and keeping a ‘hopeful’ look about him.

2. His insecurity shows up in these ways and more: hesitant to move the move on once he marks it (last qtr should have gone to petty on the wing. Hesitated and then petty made the same lead but with less space and the mark was spoiled), overruns footy and/or opponent consistently making himself a desperate scrambly ‘looking’ player but with very meagre effect.

3. He is a limited player. You might think he has upside, but the truth is he will only ever get so far. He will have 4 decent games a year and they will be always a result of having a [censored] one the week before - which is old melbourne standards - rather than being consistently contributory on a level of substantial significance within game.

4. Why be so Kade Chandler positive (like EVERYONE in the demon community). I understand he’s cute and has a nice smile and you think he’s contributing to vibe, but actually he makes our grand purpose less sincere and less potent. He dulls our will to will with his paraded perkiness. He tries to be an energiser bunny because his footy is Carlton b grader standard. We have enough energiser bunnies with our youth.

5. demon fans need to realise what is holding us back so we can move forward, and a better more consistent player in Kade chandler’s position would do wonders for our success

6. It’s no shade on Kade. It’s just : trade out players like that, and bring in non-insecure beasts like Dylan Moore , Shawn mannagh or whatever his name is. Some real solid smart no frills half forwards who actually [censored] impact.

7. I know that dees fans will hate this and that’s because they are largely [censored]

8. Tysm

1 minute ago, nextskipclaz said:

Happy to reiterate for those who don’t understand football and energetics

Kade Chandler [censored] blocks our flow, and

Here’s why:

1. He plays with an insecurity that he masks by overgesticulating, applauding other players, pointing and remonstrating, and keeping a ‘hopeful’ look about him.

2. His insecurity shows up in these ways and more: hesitant to move the move on once he marks it (last qtr should have gone to petty on the wing. Hesitated and then petty made the same lead but with less space and the mark was spoiled), overruns footy and/or opponent consistently making himself a desperate scrambly ‘looking’ player but with very meagre effect.

3. He is a limited player. You might think he has upside, but the truth is he will only ever get so far. He will have 4 decent games a year and they will be always a result of having a [censored] one the week before - which is old melbourne standards - rather than being consistently contributory on a level of substantial significance within game.

4. Why be so Kade Chandler positive (like EVERYONE in the demon community). I understand he’s cute and has a nice smile and you think he’s contributing to vibe, but actually he makes our grand purpose less sincere and less potent. He dulls our will to will with his paraded perkiness. He tries to be an energiser bunny because his footy is Carlton b grader standard. We have enough energiser bunnies with our youth.

5. demon fans need to realise what is holding us back so we can move forward, and a better more consistent player in Kade chandler’s position would do wonders for our success

6. It’s no shade on Kade. It’s just : trade out players like that, and bring in non-insecure beasts like Dylan Moore , Shawn mannagh or whatever his name is. Some real solid smart no frills half forwards who actually [censored] impact.

7. I know that dees fans will hate this and that’s because they are largely [censored]

8. Tysm

What the [censored] did I just read lol

1 minute ago, nextskipclaz said:

Happy to reiterate for those who don’t understand football and energetics

Kade Chandler [censored] blocks our flow, and

Here’s why:

1. He plays with an insecurity that he masks by overgesticulating, applauding other players, pointing and remonstrating, and keeping a ‘hopeful’ look about him.

2. His insecurity shows up in these ways and more: hesitant to move the move on once he marks it (last qtr should have gone to petty on the wing. Hesitated and then petty made the same lead but with less space and the mark was spoiled), overruns footy and/or opponent consistently making himself a desperate scrambly ‘looking’ player but with very meagre effect.

3. He is a limited player. You might think he has upside, but the truth is he will only ever get so far. He will have 4 decent games a year and they will be always a result of having a [censored] one the week before - which is old melbourne standards - rather than being consistently contributory on a level of substantial significance within game.

4. Why be so Kade Chandler positive (like EVERYONE in the demon community). I understand he’s cute and has a nice smile and you think he’s contributing to vibe, but actually he makes our grand purpose less sincere and less potent. He dulls our will to will with his paraded perkiness. He tries to be an energiser bunny because his footy is Carlton b grader standard. We have enough energiser bunnies with our youth.

5. demon fans need to realise what is holding us back so we can move forward, and a better more consistent player in Kade chandler’s position would do wonders for our success

6. It’s no shade on Kade. It’s just : trade out players like that, and bring in non-insecure beasts like Dylan Moore , Shawn mannagh or whatever his name is. Some real solid smart no frills half forwards who actually [censored] impact.

7. I know that dees fans will hate this and that’s because they are largely [censored]

8. Tysm

Are you a bitter ex girlfriend of Kade Chandle??

21 minutes ago, Fritta and Turner said:

I thought the Dogs top 10 players were really good but then their team tapers off really quick. Probably why they are outside the 8.

Dees overall is a better team but lacks top end class, especially in front of goals.

If Nauts was in a Dees jumper.....

If Naughts were in a Dees jumper, maybe his kicking for goal wouldn't have improved at the same rate, but good on him for fixing that part of his game.

Also, Dee's ball movement has gone from bottom 4 to top 4 in last 5 weeks. We were in the process of evolving, the game against the Bulldogs was an extension of that progress, not a drastic change from what Goody and the team had embarked on:

Edited 7 hours ago7 hr by ChaserJ

1 minute ago, Hopeful Demon said:

What the [censored] did I just read lol

The last censored word was a synonym for a little cat. 🐱= dee supporters

5 minutes ago, nextskipclaz said:

Happy to reiterate for those who don’t understand football and energetics

Kade Chandler [censored] blocks our flow, and

Here’s why:

1. He plays with an insecurity that he masks by overgesticulating, applauding other players, pointing and remonstrating, and keeping a ‘hopeful’ look about him.

2. His insecurity shows up in these ways and more: hesitant to move the move on once he marks it (last qtr should have gone to petty on the wing. Hesitated and then petty made the same lead but with less space and the mark was spoiled), overruns footy and/or opponent consistently making himself a desperate scrambly ‘looking’ player but with very meagre effect.

3. He is a limited player. You might think he has upside, but the truth is he will only ever get so far. He will have 4 decent games a year and they will be always a result of having a [censored] one the week before - which is old melbourne standards - rather than being consistently contributory on a level of substantial significance within game.

4. Why be so Kade Chandler positive (like EVERYONE in the demon community). I understand he’s cute and has a nice smile and you think he’s contributing to vibe, but actually he makes our grand purpose less sincere and less potent. He dulls our will to will with his paraded perkiness. He tries to be an energiser bunny because his footy is Carlton b grader standard. We have enough energiser bunnies with our youth.

5. demon fans need to realise what is holding us back so we can move forward, and a better more consistent player in Kade chandler’s position would do wonders for our success

6. It’s no shade on Kade. It’s just : trade out players like that, and bring in non-insecure beasts like Dylan Moore , Shawn mannagh or whatever his name is. Some real solid smart no frills half forwards who actually [censored] impact.

7. I know that dees fans will hate this and that’s because they are largely [censored]

8. Tysm

4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Are you a bitter ex girlfriend of Kade Chandle??

Mate he’s alright. But we could be getting much more bang for buck in that position. Chandler is a vfl player. He plays under a veil of insecurity that reminds me of demons of 2012. I don’t want to see anymore pretend [censored]. We are gonna get smacked by hawthorn

24 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

Geez it’s tough for you now that Goody’s gone. Who’re you gonna relentlessly bag? Oh that’s right: you can continue to bag him anyways, I’m sure there’s no statute of limitations. You and your little mini-me Hopeful Demon can go nuts!

I don't need to bag anyone. Possibly the problem with your thinking.

If something is good, its good and that is commendable.

If its bad, untenable etc it can be so ascribed ... no ?

Atm i feel optimistic. Things will change. There was even a little in the weekend. That was good. Not quite a good win (😉) but a better display.

I hope Chappy sticks around .

Am I allowed to suggest Traccs first half was rubbish but his second wasn't ?

Am I allowed to think the FD really needs to reinvent (if can ) Viney or he's in danger of becoming a liability. .. but surely his positivity can be better used somewhere?

I can admire the footy of Langford.. thought Culley showed promise. Some might bag Adams but truth be told he'd (Naughts) have still kicked 3 or 4 on May as having a day out... so Jed not disgraced first day out. Probably learnt a bit.

Thought we still owe TMac due credit, but will that translate to next year ?

Salem getting back a bit of his better game ( needed to )

Disco was really good ( except for that brain fart.. could see the idea.. shame about result )

Kozzy had a mixed day and I would be wondering why he was again on the bench in the last when 2 opportunities were left begging 🤷‍♂️

So its not me who's all negative Nancy Ghosty.. it might just be you if I or someone else doesn't share your views.

Enjoy the rest of your day 👍

9 minutes ago, nextskipclaz said:

Happy to reiterate for those who don’t understand football and energetics

I agree. Kade Chandler refracts light in the wrong way, rendering our chromotherapy regime ineffective.

42 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

Geez it’s tough for you now that Goody’s gone. Who’re you gonna relentlessly bag? Oh that’s right: you can continue to bag him anyways, I’m sure there’s no statute of limitations. You and your little mini-me Hopeful Demon can go nuts!

Lol 'go nuts.' Mate, yesterday was the most fun I had at the football in a long time and I am super excited for what the next two weeks hold.

As for 'bagging' Goodwin, I have not once made any personal comments about him at all. My recent criticisms towards him were to do with his coaching and methods. That should be totally acceptable on a public forum. Not to mention that in the past I have also acknowledged the good work he has done and I have stuck up for numerous players when I felt like they were unfairly attacked.

I find it funny how you always lecture people on how to behave yet you can be just as personal and antagonistic as anyone else.

Edited 7 hours ago7 hr by Hopeful Demon

18 minutes ago, nextskipclaz said:

Happy to reiterate for those who don’t understand football and energetics

Kade Chandler [censored] blocks our flow, and

Here’s why:

1. He plays with an insecurity that he masks by overgesticulating, applauding other players, pointing and remonstrating, and keeping a ‘hopeful’ look about him.

2. His insecurity shows up in these ways and more: hesitant to move the move on once he marks it (last qtr should have gone to petty on the wing. Hesitated and then petty made the same lead but with less space and the mark was spoiled), overruns footy and/or opponent consistently making himself a desperate scrambly ‘looking’ player but with very meagre effect.

3. He is a limited player. You might think he has upside, but the truth is he will only ever get so far. He will have 4 decent games a year and they will be always a result of having a [censored] one the week before - which is old melbourne standards - rather than being consistently contributory on a level of substantial significance within game.

4. Why be so Kade Chandler positive (like EVERYONE in the demon community). I understand he’s cute and has a nice smile and you think he’s contributing to vibe, but actually he makes our grand purpose less sincere and less potent. He dulls our will to will with his paraded perkiness. He tries to be an energiser bunny because his footy is Carlton b grader standard. We have enough energiser bunnies with our youth.

5. demon fans need to realise what is holding us back so we can move forward, and a better more consistent player in Kade chandler’s position would do wonders for our success

6. It’s no shade on Kade. It’s just : trade out players like that, and bring in non-insecure beasts like Dylan Moore , Shawn mannagh or whatever his name is. Some real solid smart no frills half forwards who actually [censored] impact.

7. I know that dees fans will hate this and that’s because they are largely [censored]

8. Tysm

...and the definition of drivel is...

58 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

Totally unnecessary; unproductive and puerile. If you can’t come back with a valid counter-argument, maybe don’t say anything at all.

Maybe you should heed that last sentence, honestly it is boring hearing you defend everything MFC.

While I like a lot of your content, and admire your loyalty, it must get boring to have to defend them at every given opportunity? Right or wrong we all have different views.

13 minutes ago, nextskipclaz said:

Mate he’s alright. But we could be getting much more bang for buck in that position. Chandler is a vfl player. He plays under a veil of insecurity that reminds me of demons of 2012. I don’t want to see anymore pretend [censored]. We are gonna get smacked by hawthorn

Quite likely. But a lot of us also thought we'd get smacked by Footscray. Did you?

Just now, sue said:

Quite likely. But a lot of us also thought we'd get smacked by Footscray. Did you?

I thought we’d lose by 40. And going by expected score we should have. We kicked straight yesterday. And Kade Chandler waves the flag at the front of the ‘jovial group of losers’ parade

1 minute ago, nextskipclaz said:

I thought we’d lose by 40. And going by expected score we should have. We kicked straight yesterday. And Kade Chandler waves the flag at the front of the ‘jovial group of losers’ parade

What?

On expected score we should have lost by 12 points.

It's right there in the stats file thread. You could have done 1 minute of work before exposing yourself as an [censored].

20 minutes ago, nextskipclaz said:

Mate he’s alright. But we could be getting much more bang for buck in that position. Chandler is a vfl player. He plays under a veil of insecurity that reminds me of demons of 2012. I don’t want to see anymore pretend [censored]. We are gonna get smacked by hawthorn

So I take that as a yes then..

7 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

What?

On expected score we should have lost by 12 points.

It's right there in the stats file thread. You could have done 1 minute of work before exposing yourself as an [censored].

You’re right, sorry.