8 hours ago, jnrmac said:

For those scratching their heads are you aware we have only won 8 games from the last 28 with 16 premiership player still on our list?

It's not that hard

Personally I think they should have honoured goodys contract and kept him as coach for next year.

I think that because i agree with his and Paul roos assessment that we can be a genuine contender next season, in large part because I think goody has done a really good job implementing the new method and that work will bear fruit (I thought it was revealing he mentioned on 360 that he was confident of doing so because he had done so before in 2019 when he retooled our game plan, ironically from a high octane, fast ball movement method to ultra defence).

But leaving that aside you are 100% correct jnr to point out the win loss record as being the core reason for his sacking.

It's an immutable law of footy, all elite sports really, that lack of successwill eventually force a responses and the easiest of such responses is sacking the coach. It's the law of the jungle.

It's why goody was surprised bur not completely blindsided.

And it's also why Clarkson, whom many argue is the best coach of the modem era, will surely come under massive pressure early next season if the Roos rack up early season losses again.

I'd add that if reports of us sounding out Beveridge and Roos way back in April are true that would suggest at least some on the board had marked Goody's cards and he was on borrowed time all season.

Which may well be the lack of 'alignment and stability' Goody said on 360 he had not experienced this year.

Which by the by is a perfect example of why focusing on the coach as the cause of a lack of success condem clubs like us, the bombers and the blues to being unsuccessful. Unless we sort our executive it won't matter a jot who coaches us.

8 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

I think based on the information we have it's reasonable to say that the key outcome of that meeting is that Goodwin and the board likely didn't see eye to eye on where they thought the team was at and likely confirmed their view that he was no longer the man to take the team forward.

A 'step or two backwards' doesn't necessarily mean a wholesale rebuild. It might just mean moving a few senior players on and adding more talent around our existing core of youth. If anything it takes some pressure off the next coach to immediately get results.

Goodwin had only a couple of weeks ago saId that we were in a 'transition period' and agreed with the notion that we were 'rebuilding on the run'. It was only after he lost his job that he started talking about how close the team was to the ultimate success.

It's a smart way of putting it. Either the team immediately spikes and he's vindicated or they fall apart and it looks like the next guy screwed it up.

If you seriously think the board had not already made a decision on Goody's future way before that board meeting then, in all due respect, I think you are being very naive.

9 hours ago, DubDee said:

I wonder how we’ll look back on this decision in 5 or 10 years

Not often a premiership coach gets sacked who hasn’t ‘lost the players’.

2 poor seasons for sure but a fair bit of adversity in that time with star players. I wonder what narrative he had created with the board. i.e. we have a lot of quality senior players, some issues with stars and we need a new game plan. give me 2-3 years to regenerate through the draft, imbed the new gameplay and we will be back in the top 4 in 2026.

I imagine there was a metric he didn’t meet. Good on Simon for not throwing us under the bus, despite being so devastated. he is great football person

I understand that this isn't a popular opinion on this forum, but 2022 and 2023 were failed seasons too. People can reel off all the 'mitigations' they want, but the fact is that two consecutive straight set exits has never occurred before in the history of the game. I think this is often undersold in the context of Goodwin's tenure, people are too happy to purely sight the ladder position as being indicative of success, rather than the end output which is a more accurate measure (IMO) in a high performance environment, particularly coming off the 2021 premiership and net result.

I personally think the cracks started to emerge during both those seasons that our style was not as strong in totality and the game had already started to move past our tactics and strategy and unfortunately, we never really adjusted or pivoted in a meaningful manner; now some of that may come down to lack of players in order to compete in the modern game, but then that also falls back on the FD. For the sake of discussion, that starts to get a little bit into the realms of chicken and egg type of stuff; a bit of a wicked problem.

I agree with most of what you've said though, particularly that this is somewhat of an uncommon scenario and that there's other metrics involved in the dismissal - I'd imagine it's been viewed in the totality of results from 2022 - current which are, at the end of the day, underwhelming at best.

8 minutes ago, binman said:

If you seriously think the board had not already made a decision on Goody's future way before that board meeting then, in all due respect, I think you are being very naive.

Very much this.

First .. you're in the sights..

Then .. you lock and load ( which ironically is reverse of normality with weapons..but i digress )

Then you wait.. If not needed, stand down.

If situation deemed 'defcon' .. pull trigger.

Imho.. Goody's future was weighed at end of last season. Became a target as games lost earlier.

Once it was decided that we weren't going anywhere fast after wheels fell off again. Meetings were scheduled, phone calls made.

And here we are today.

Go Dees

8 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

I think based on the information we have it's reasonable to say that the key outcome of that meeting is that Goodwin and the board likely didn't see eye to eye on where they thought the team was at and likely confirmed their view that he was no longer the man to take the team forward.

A 'step or two backwards' doesn't necessarily mean a wholesale rebuild. It might just mean moving a few senior players on and adding more talent around our existing core of youth. If anything it takes some pressure off the next coach to immediately get results.

Goodwin had only a couple of weeks ago saId that we were in a 'transition period' and agreed with the notion that we were 'rebuilding on the run'. It was only after he lost his job that he started talking about how close the team was to the ultimate success.

It's a smart way of putting it. Either the team immediately spikes and he's vindicated or they fall apart and it looks like the next guy screwed it up.

Actually I have it on very good authority that he was saying EXACTLY that - how close we were- to a friend of mine the day before he was sacked.

3 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

Actually I have it on very good authority that he was saying EXACTLY that - how close we were- to a friend of mine the day before he was sacked.

In some respects a person might argue that that thinking is what might have been he final undoing.

I.e What he saw/thought didn't marry what others ( in positions of responsibility ) saw/thought.

What Simon believed others had stopped.

44 minutes ago, binman said:

If you seriously think the board had not already made a decision on Goody's future way before that board meeting then, in all due respect, I think you are being very naive.

See this post for how I believe it played out over the course of the year.

9 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

In my own personal view it always seemed pretty clear that after the review at the end of last season Goodwin and the rest of the football department had led the board to believe that we would bounce back in 2025. That would explain the incredibly bullish language in the letters penned by Brad Green, and Tim Lamb's summation of where the team was at at the end of the trade period.

Somewhere during the pre-season I think it dawned on Goodwin that we were a fair way off. This is when we started to hear about the 'love' mantra and that finals wasn't an 'expectation' but an 'ambition'. Then we get a 0-5 start and the club is given a massive reality check.

We get a bit of a sugar hit, winning 5 of our next 6 against mostly lowly opposition as well as a famous victory against the reigning premiers at home and maybe things are starting to turn. Unfortunately it doesn't last long and we go on another 5 game losing streak. Our season over before the bye.

I think this is probably the moment the board start to question whether Goodwin is the right man. We go on to win a comfortable game against North, lose embarrassingly to Carlton and then the Saints game happens and the writing is on the wall.

If Goodwin then went to the board and pitched that the club was ready to skyrocket up the ladder under his leadership it's not surprising they didn't see eye to eye.

Goodwin can say he was blindsided but he’s not an [censored]. He knew he was in trouble. Everyone did.

40 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

See this post for how I believe it played out over the course of the year.

Goodwin can say he was blindsided but he’s not an [censored]. He knew he was in trouble. Everyone did.

Goody DIDN'T say he was blindsided, a point I just made.

5 minutes ago, binman said:

Goody DIDN'T say he was blindsided, a point I just made.

He didn't use the word 'blindsided' but he said he hadn't expected it and there was no indication the Board meeting presentation might be for his job?

That sounds like blindsided to me...

Edited 8 hours ago8 hr by Lucifers Hero

10 hours ago, binman said:

Thanks.

I call [censored] on that.

For one thing it is John Ralph.

For another its a combination of supposition and if he hasn't completely made it up he is parroting what he us being leaked by a board member who has an obvious agenda to justify their decision.

Yet another - if the club needs ,'some kind of step or two backwards before it pushed forward' tosh is coming from the board then it makes them.look like [censored] because it contradicts the general consensus that finals is a real possibility

For example premiership coach Paul roos has gone on record to say we can win a flag next year. Buckley has said we can be competitive next and the consensus view seems to be he would not be interested in the gig if it involved regression and a rebuild.

This is what Goody said about that board meeting, so not heresay or Ralph's game if thrones click bait musings:

'I had a standard board meeting the week before, and didn’t have an inkling at that point' about being sacked.

Not to mention Brad Green was the deciding vote to ditch Goody. Take a look at that final presser and listen to Green's answer to that question. He says the vote was unanimous.

This is why the board is split and it's why we've had mixed messages coming out of the club ever since.

In that presser, Green said they believed this list should be playing finals.

In the last few days, they've changed the narrative to, oh, we believe we need to take a few steps back and attack a flag in 2-3 years. Well, which one is it? Should we be playing finals or shouldn't we?

When you don't have a clear direction and everyone on the same page, that spells disaster for the future.

We might get lucky, but I doubt it.

Edited 8 hours ago8 hr by Adam The God

5 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

Not to mention Brad Green was the deciding vote to ditch Goody. Take a look at that final presser and listen to Green's answer to that question. He says the vote was unanimous.

This is why the board is split and it's why we've had mixed messages coming out of the club ever since.

In that presser, Green said they believed this list should be playing finals.

In the last few days, they've changed the narrative to, oh, we believe we need to take a few steps back and attack a flag in 2-3 years. Well, which one is it? Should we be playing finals or shouldn't we?

When you don't have a clear direction and everyone on the same page, that spells disaster for the future.

We night get lucky, but I doubt it.

Green was shocking in the presser. Looked extremely nervous and like he'd been coached just to say 'fresh voice' over and over.

10 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

He didn't use the word 'blindsided' but he said he hadn't expected it and there was no indication the Board meeting presentation might be for his job?

That sounds like blindsided to me...

It doesn't to me.

Since his sacking Goody has not behaved or spoken like someone who was blindsided.

Hell, it's sounds like he's already lined up a new job.

Anywhoo its a moot point, not to mention semantics.

I just hope they announce the new coach soon so we can have a proper crack at the trade period.

Edited 8 hours ago8 hr by binman

So Goody was not blindsided, he knew his job was in trouble. He knew the board meeting was coming. He knew we just copped an all times terrible defeat to the saints. He knew we had a terrible win loss ratio for the last 2 years. Presumably he had heard whispers about us approaching Beveridge earlier in the year and after all that, he did not think to fight for his job at that board meeting?

4 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Green was shocking in the presser. Looked extremely nervous and like he'd been coached just to say 'fresh voice' over and over.

Green is an appalling media performer, he lacks any form of polish and really struggles to substantively engage in any discussion worthy of analytical value. The sooner he is out, the better for all parties. I won't be sad to see some of his cringeworthy social media posts left in the annals of the social media wasteland.

2 minutes ago, BLWNBA said:

Green is an appalling media performer, he lacks any form of polish and really struggles to substantively engage in any discussion worthy of analytical value. The sooner he is out, the better for all parties. I won't be sad to see some of his cringeworthy social media posts left in the annals of the social media wasteland.

I don't want to be too harsh because I think he's done an pretty good job under incredibly difficult circumstances but he is really just not president material.

11 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Green was shocking in the presser. Looked extremely nervous and like he'd been coached just to say 'fresh voice' over and over.

Ever since SWYLs mate Green has been back at the club we've been an unravelling basketcase off field.

He's been letter happy all year and when it comes to providing clear direction for the club with the President, all we get is crickets.

He was part of a board that seemingly failed to ask the question of Guerra regarding a start date and a hired a guy that couldn't start for 6 months.

He was part of a board that allowed innuendo to fester around the football department and the coach for two years before finally getting some clean air at the end of 2024. That should have been dealt with it in 2022 or sooner.

He might have his heart in the right place, but it's been downhill under his watch.

23 minutes ago, BLWNBA said:

Green is an appalling media performer, he lacks any form of polish and really struggles to substantively engage in any discussion worthy of analytical value. The sooner he is out, the better for all parties. I won't be sad to see some of his cringeworthy social media posts left in the annals of the social media wasteland.

This is very close to the way I feel about you!

Goody has been around footy long enough to know that you live and die by results.

He would have known his job was not safe after a 0-5 start, following a bad off season where a review was undertaken and pointed to issues with Goody (amongst other issues), and after a bottom 4 finish in 2024 and two straight set exists prior.

He maybe didn't think he'd be getting sacked 3 weeks out from the end of the season, but he is not a stupid man, and to suggest he didn't know he was in trouble especially after we lost to St Kilda in Alice, a [censored] side in Carlton and then that debacle against St Kilda the second time around, is naïve.

The outcome of the review last year was that we were good enough to play finals in 2025. That was the expectations and Goody and the board agreed on that. When it became obvious we won't play finals yet again, despite Goody's strong belief that we are not too far away, his position became almost untenable.

Does the board still believe we are not far away from success again? Perhaps. But with a new coach coming in, my guess is that they are open to going into a mini rebuild.

The problem doesn't lie in the board and the coach not being aligned, the problem was that they were aligned on their expectations, and the expectations were not met.

Had Goody said we needed to rebuild 2 years ago, it's very possible he would still be in the job today, but he was adamant we could play finals after a poor 2024 where perhaps injuries didn't help after a pretty promising start. 2025 was a no excuse year.

49 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

Not to mention Brad Green was the deciding vote to ditch Goody. Take a look at that final presser and listen to Green's answer to that question. He says the vote was unanimous.

I’m confused, so it wasn’t a unanimous decision? Or am I misunderstanding?

15 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

This is very close to the way I feel about you!

10 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Maybe we should just chill for a minute. It’s a radical idea, but consistency IS stability.

What a disgracefully anti-demonland comment.

12 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Goody has been around footy long enough to know that you live and die by results.

He would have known his job was not safe after a 0-5 start, following a bad off season where a review was undertaken and pointed to issues with Goody (amongst other issues), and after a bottom 4 finish in 2024 and two straight set exists prior.

He maybe didn't think he'd be getting sacked 3 weeks out from the end of the season, but he is not a stupid man, and to suggest he didn't know he was in trouble especially after we lost to St Kilda in Alice, a [censored] side in Carlton and then that debacle against St Kilda the second time around, is naïve.

The outcome of the review last year was that we were good enough to play finals in 2025. That was the expectations and Goody and the board agreed on that. When it became obvious we won't play finals yet again, despite Goody's strong belief that we are not too far away, his position became almost untenable.

Does the board still believe we are not far away from success again? Perhaps. But with a new coach coming in, my guess is that they are open to going into a mini rebuild.

The problem doesn't lie in the board and the coach not being aligned, the problem was that they were aligned on their expectations, and the expectations were not met.

Had Goody said we needed to rebuild 2 years ago, it's very possible he would still be in the job today, but he was adamant we could play finals after a poor 2024 where perhaps injuries didn't help after a pretty promising start. 2025 was a no excuse year.

I'm positive he knew his job was on the line with or without the Board presentation.

By saying the sacking was unexpected and there was no indication the Board presentation was for his job is Goodwin writing his own narrative. Ditto, the only reason given was needing a 'fresh voice'. He knows there were other contributing factors some raised briefly in last night's AFL360.

Discussing whether he was blindsided is probably a waste of time, but.....

Not many coaches are sacked straight after an 83 pt win.

1 hour ago, KozzyCan said:

Green was shocking in the presser. Looked extremely nervous and like he'd been coached just to say 'fresh voice' over and over.

Completely agree Kozzy.

Green rehashed the same argument over and over.

Didn’t say we expected to be playing finals. Didn’t say forward entries were still the same 3 years running. Didn’t say membership numbers were dropping.

I can’t believe the amount of times we bomb it inside 50 hoping for the best. Since 22 until now.

The brains trust Goodwin, Williams, Chaplin, all other assistants, couldn’t figure it out.

Goody you’ve had time to fix things. An easier draw this year, limited injuries and still think we are close, yet we sit 13th with 7 wins.

Time to move on.

pretty on brand for Goodwin not to realise he needed to fight for his job imo, he's always been a bit slow on the uptake and never been proactive enough.