I can’t see us trading anyone unless we end up better off. Anyway you look at it The Brand is 2 high draft picks, Oliver is 1 top 15 pick and Kozz is 2 top 20 picks. If they were to all go I’d imagine we’d get picks 6,9,11,12 and 18 but we’d be paying some of the contracts. Of course I’m guessing!

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

the issue with these two guys - as nice as they are - is that they often just say words without any facts behind them

On 01/04/2025 at 22:28, Rednblueriseing said:

No news just making up sh$#t after a bad loss..

Didn’t we sack Tom Morris then fox sacked him also !!!!

5 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

the issue with these two guys - as nice as they are - is that they often just say words without any facts behind them

Exactly what’s in it for Melbourne? Just you wait, the entire media will use the ‘get his salary off our books’ and expect us give away a former Norm Smith medalist and until mid last year a top 5 AFL player for free

37 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

the issue with these two guys - as nice as they are - is that they often just say words without any facts behind them

They're clearly just having a discussion. Not everything a journalist says has to be a factual report.

When Cal Twomey does actually report a story he's pretty much always on the money.

31 minutes ago, GS_1905 said:

Exactly what’s in it for Melbourne? Just you wait, the entire media will use the ‘get his salary off our books’ and expect us give away a former Norm Smith medalist and until mid last year a top 5 AFL player for free

The carrot for us would have to be through draft picks. Our cap isn't in any strife so the whole notion of trading these guys to relieve cap space is a bit of a furphy, I agree. We'd just have to end up overpaying other players

41 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

the issue with these two guys - as nice as they are - is that they often just say words without any facts behind them

It's a simple discussion? They're just giving their opinions which their entitled too.

You can still have a discussion around the story without it being factual.. bit like what we do on here huh..

Cal Twomey is one of the more credible journalists going around in the industry. I take his word over everyone else.

Does anyone here know anything about Toby Sinema and is he our NGA?

2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Sure, but on the flipside Petracca is a professional while Oliver is a man child who may or may not have resolved his off-field "issues".

Petracca is also an impactful player who can change a game, Oliver is an accumulator who doesn't hurt opposition teams going forward and doesn't defend well.

In 2023 Oliver led the competition for intercept possessions by non-defenders. Aside from immediate contests and clearance work, he played a subtle team-first game which covered space in the corridor much like Brayshaw was used to deny options on the wings.

Oliver can play for the team and do it well. When he's fit enough.

15 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Does anyone here know anything about Toby Sinema and is he our NGA?

rookie me central is the best resource for how the underagers are going; his profile is here

someone else on here reported that he's currently the vice-captain of the stingrays as well, which bodes well

his round 1 report is encouraging:

Stats: 22 disposals, 6 marks, 5 inside 50s

One of the more experienced players for the Stingrays, the Melbourne NGA prospect was mostly damaging with his classy left-foot kicking through the game. Sinemma resumed his role on the wing in the first half, looking to break lines and change lanes every time he got his hands on the ball, and sliding inside defensive 50 to aid his teammates in transition. He spent some time on-ball in the second half with mixed results, looking rushed in possession through congestion

i'm really hopeful that he'll move into a more inside / out mix of performance rather than just a wing per se - we need him to be able to win his own ball in the contest as well as be damaging on the outside

hey, in an ideal world his performance will go through the roof this year and all of a sudden we're not concerned about trading out of the first round of the 2025 draft cos we've got a future star in our midst

The more likely candidate to go is Kozzie and there's a good chance we'd get good value for him. That's if he wants to go, of course

I see him as a keeper but the club might have other ideas

As for Petracca, he needs to play really well this season in order for another team to take up his salary and give us back a pick or 2. And again, will he want to leave anyway?

Right now, his trade value is falling

With Oliver it's a very similar situation but because the club was hawking him around late last season he might decide to look for a new home off his own bat

With Oliver & Petracca, both their long term contracts means that can be a millstone around our neck with regards to trading either of them

The contracts reduce the value of the picks that both of them are worth. And their age, to a certain degree

1 pick each with both contracts being fully taken up might be best case scenario

Or, they can knuckle down and play out their careers at the club (at A grade level, hopefully)

But if Petracca is adamant about going, we might be better off cutting our losses

1 pick and no salary commitments or 2 picks and we pay a percentage of his contract could be the outcome (but again, he has to be playing at his best for any sort of deal to go through)

8 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

rookie me central is the best resource for how the underagers are going; his profile is here

someone else on here reported that he's currently the vice-captain of the stingrays as well, which bodes well

his round 1 report is encouraging:

Stats: 22 disposals, 6 marks, 5 inside 50s

One of the more experienced players for the Stingrays, the Melbourne NGA prospect was mostly damaging with his classy left-foot kicking through the game. Sinemma resumed his role on the wing in the first half, looking to break lines and change lanes every time he got his hands on the ball, and sliding inside defensive 50 to aid his teammates in transition. He spent some time on-ball in the second half with mixed results, looking rushed in possession through congestion

i'm really hopeful that he'll move into a more inside / out mix of performance rather than just a wing per se - we need him to be able to win his own ball in the contest as well as be damaging on the outside

hey, in an ideal world his performance will go through the roof this year and all of a sudden we're not concerned about trading out of the first round of the 2025 draft cos we've got a future star in our midst

I'm not concerned anyway.... Xavier Lindsay is an absolute gun and you would be happy to get a player of his calibre with a top 5 pick, let alone pick 11.

8 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

rookie me central is the best resource for how the underagers are going; his profile is here

someone else on here reported that he's currently the vice-captain of the stingrays as well, which bodes well

his round 1 report is encouraging:

Stats: 22 disposals, 6 marks, 5 inside 50s

One of the more experienced players for the Stingrays, the Melbourne NGA prospect was mostly damaging with his classy left-foot kicking through the game. Sinemma resumed his role on the wing in the first half, looking to break lines and change lanes every time he got his hands on the ball, and sliding inside defensive 50 to aid his teammates in transition. He spent some time on-ball in the second half with mixed results, looking rushed in possession through congestion

i'm really hopeful that he'll move into a more inside / out mix of performance rather than just a wing per se - we need him to be able to win his own ball in the contest as well as be damaging on the outside

hey, in an ideal world his performance will go through the roof this year and all of a sudden we're not concerned about trading out of the first round of the 2025 draft cos we've got a future star in our midst

Any idea if he’s expected to be a highish draft pick?

1 minute ago, Roost it far said:

Any idea if he’s expected to be a highish draft pick?

i don't think he's rated that highly at this stage, which may be a good thing (i.e. he costs us less to bring him in) or a bad thing (he might not be anything more than a promising prospect)

it's so hard to know

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

rookie me central is the best resource for how the underagers are going; his profile is here

someone else on here reported that he's currently the vice-captain of the stingrays as well, which bodes well

his round 1 report is encouraging:

Stats: 22 disposals, 6 marks, 5 inside 50s

One of the more experienced players for the Stingrays, the Melbourne NGA prospect was mostly damaging with his classy left-foot kicking through the game. Sinemma resumed his role on the wing in the first half, looking to break lines and change lanes every time he got his hands on the ball, and sliding inside defensive 50 to aid his teammates in transition. He spent some time on-ball in the second half with mixed results, looking rushed in possession through congestion

i'm really hopeful that he'll move into a more inside / out mix of performance rather than just a wing per se - we need him to be able to win his own ball in the contest as well as be damaging on the outside

hey, in an ideal world his performance will go through the roof this year and all of a sudden we're not concerned about trading out of the first round of the 2025 draft cos we've got a future star in our midst

I think we'll move Windsor, Lindsay and Kolt into the midfield, so we're going to need wingers that have toe and can kick.

He's shaping up nicely, and another left footer. Clarkson era Hawthorn-esque.

We could have 9 left footers in the 22 by next year: Salem, Lindsay, Langford, Chandler, Adams, May, Viney and then the likes of Fritta if he stays and Sinemma. 6 of them (Salem, Lindsay, Langford, Sinemma and Adams) all good kicks.

We are watching us transform our list on the run.

Our 2026 midfield could well be led by Windsor, Lindsay, Langford, Kozzy and Kolt. with support from Oliver, Viney and Trac.

We've gone from a brutal, power midfield that wins stoppage (Oliver, Trac, Viney and Sparrow), to a much greater balance between ball-winning bulls and good users.

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

i don't think he's rated that highly at this stage, which may be a good thing (i.e. he costs us less to bring him in) or a bad thing (he might not be anything more than a promising prospect)

it's so hard to know

We just want guys that can kick, run and make good decisions. If they come cheaply, have leadership qualities, even better.

15 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

We just want guys that can kick, run and make good decisions. If they come cheaply, have leadership qualities, even better.

I’d have a crack at Butters

3 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

I’d have a crack at Butters

100%. I’d give our 2 future firsts happily for Butters. Prototype mid for the modern game.

10 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

I’d have a crack at Butters

Sure, but not really what I was saying. I was talking about those who come cheaply.

But I love Butters. Absolute gun. Would love him. Particularly, if we trade Trac or Clarry.

31 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

Sure, but not really what I was saying. I was talking about those who come cheaply.

But I love Butters. Absolute gun. Would love him. Particularly, if we trade Trac or Clarry.

As an option we could take White and Sinemma, trade out The Brand and take Butters. That’s a pretty good result for us.

22 hours ago, Deeko2 said:

Agreed - the worst 'supporter' who I can think of. I still remember Jesse Hogan giving him a clip about using personal information gained whilst he worked for the club to get ahead in the world. I couldn't remember what exactly was said but I found this via good ol google.

"Honest leech. Had a job at Melbourne football club that was private and used it and leaked private conversations to get a leg up," Hogan wrote.

"Not involving me but genuine leech of a personality."

Hogan went so far to call Morris a "fake media personality" before tagging his account at the end of the tead.

Tom is a supporter of Tom only. I still can't believe he has a job in footy after his previous comments towards a female colleague as well. Absolute pig of a human.

But, moving on from that rant, I actually think neither will be with us next year. We'll be loading up for a full re-build whilst holding on to some hard bodies as protection for the young ones coming through in May, Gawn and Viney.

No way I'd let Kozzy go however.

If being a ‘good’ human was suddenly required in footy, we’d need to reopen Pentridge just to manage the talent pool reduction.

3 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

100%. I’d give our 2 future firsts happily for Butters. Prototype mid for the modern game.

I wouldn’t give 2, his body has taken a lot of punishment which it’s not exactly built for. He’s a gun but not sure about 2 picks

1 hour ago, Pennant St Dee said:

I wouldn’t give 2, his body has taken a lot of punishment which it’s not exactly built for. He’s a gun but not sure about 2 picks

He also needs big bulls around him to get the ball.

I love him but he's been shown up in a few big finals now...

It's why we need balance in our midfield.

On 02/04/2025 at 08:56, BringBackTheDemon said:

Ive gone from wanting Oliver gone to now saying you might as well keep him and see what a new coach can do with him given what you'd get back for him is sweet FA. Buying high and selling low is not the way.

Would be more than happy to move on from Viney for nothing however, his value is only going one way in the next 3 years and we need to get some youngsters into the midfield.

That’s a very good comment. Also plays to what another coach’s view of his and the game plan he wants to play.