5 hours ago, The Taciturn Demon said:

I would argue kicking to advantage has been a problem for a very long time, and we won in 21 in spite of it remaining a problem. A more charitable take might be that Goodwin found a way to mitigate it as a problem - i.e. "This team struggles to consistently kick to advantage - let's find a style that rewards low-risk, low-accuracy kicking."

I'm not a good enough observer of the game to understand why we seem to so infrequently make or hit leads. My probably dull observation is that when Kozzie kicks inside fifty suddenly our leading problem appears magically fixed.

I would be astonished if we didn't train it or if the FD department didn't put an emphasis on it. I just think we're a team, whether through calcified habit, or outright lack of skill, that has a greater-than-average proportion of players who can't lower their eyes and drill a hard, accurate pass. Gold Coast showed us up with this last week. Numerous teams have for years.

Great post and you clearly are a good enough observer.

List/personnel issue and not enough has been done over the years to make meaningful change. Regardless of what people say on here about yesterday's drafting.

7 hours ago, layzie said:

Asked this in the stats thread.

Is it just speed of ball movement that this measures or does metres gained and effectiveness of chains come into it?

It’s just speed. It says nothing at all about scoring, efficiency, winning, turning it over, anything. It is nothing but a measurement of speed.

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Wont annoy me and others as I have said if he coaches next year I WON'T be putting my hard earned into a membership, simple as that!

Do you also promise to not post for all of the 2026 H&A season if Goody is our coach next year?

Asking for a friend who’s been hanging onto an expensive Shiraz waiting for a great reason to open it.

😝

8 hours ago, jnrmac said:

IT'S 90% COACHING

Edited July 4Jul 4 by Dr. Gonzo

11 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

Do you also promise to not post for all of the 2026 H&A season if Goody is our coach next year?

Asking for a friend who’s been hanging onto an expensive Shiraz waiting for a great reason to open it.

😝

Don’t need a great reason for that.

8 hours ago, JTR said:

The fickle nature of opinions after a loss (or a win, to be fair) is why I don't buy into these "sack everyone" hang wringing sessions.

We are 5-17 from our last 22 games (9-22 from our last 31).

This isn't reactionary, this is a clear trend.

1 hour ago, Macca said:

Yep, handing out the big contracts is always risky

But that's the era we've entered

Pour yourself a Double Jack, picket!😁

Yeah well double that🤪

I'm not expert on AFL compensation but wouldn't it be wiser to not risk these mega contracts and just get some decent compo if they did go?

49 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

We are 5-17 from our last 22 games (9-22 from our last 31).

This isn't reactionary, this is a clear trend.

Couldn't be any clearer bar for those that will not see.

36 minutes ago, kurtneverdied said:

I'm not expert on AFL compensation but wouldn't it be wiser to not risk these mega contracts and just get some decent compo if they did go?

Trading a top player out early is also a way of replenishing the list with top quality youth (with the cache of picks coming back)

Frees up cap space if a club wants to land a particular player for a particular position

For instance, we could have traded out one of our mids 3 or 4 years ago and then chased hard for a decent KPF

In other sports worldwide, players are often viewed as commodities. In our sport, we are often quite attached to our players

Edited July 4Jul 4 by Macca

9 hours ago, SFebes said:

Goodwin is a limited coach, I don't think hes the sharpest tool in the shed. He doesn't really stray too far from what he knows, the message has gone stale. His selections fuel poor culture issues.

What does this even mean? Honestly, I’m curious. What does it mean?

24 minutes ago, Macca said:

In other sports worldwide, players are often viewed as commodities. In our sport, we are often quite attached to our players

Not me, Macca. I’m not attached to our players at all

13 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

What does this even mean? Honestly, I’m curious. What does it mean?

I'll have a go at this.

There's a possibility that players can become disenfranchised if they are not rewarded for effort. If players see others favoured. If some feel the fix is in. If some are not afforded the development they were assured they'd get.

There may well be more than the above but I could imagine these at least would grind away.

9 hours ago, Macca said:

It would be more like $500k to $600k this year plus up to $1.2Million next year plus the FD Tax 75% or $$750k

I thought everyone knew about the potential payout.

unless everyone knows the annual salary, then no, not everyone knows the potential payout.

Leaving that aside, my question is strictly to the commmercial/contract law people and only in general terms as I suspect no one here is privy to the details

I find the drive by’s at each other “how could you not know this?!??!1111oneone” unhelpful and fairly infantile TBH

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

I'll have a go at this.

There's a possibility that players can become disenfranchised if they are not rewarded for effort. If players see others favoured. If some feel the fix is in. If some are not afforded the development they were assured they'd get.

There may well be more than the above but I could imagine these at least would grind away.

Thanks for having a go at it, and I understand what you’re saying.

My question is where does “culture” come into it? The poster said “His selections fuel poor culture issues.”

The word Culture gets bandied about so much that it’s lost its true definition. Culture isn’t something that changes from day to day or week to week, nor does it change depending on whether we win or lose, nor is it interchangeable with whatever else may be an issue at the present time.

Had the poster said “His selections fuel angst…” for example, or “… disharmony…” for another example, the assertion might make more sense.

4 hours ago, Neil Crompton said:

Haha Beelz. What, you’ll revert back to being an emoji guy again?Where would i then get my daily analogy fix? (Or 2 or 3 or 4?).

Whether Goody goes or stays( and I’m leaning well towards the former) this site would be poorer without your input. I see you and @Ghostwriter as polar opposites, and we need this Yin and Yang for balance.

(Although I think you are both somewhat deranged).

Only somewhat ? 🤔

Note to self : Need to try harder

8 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

unless everyone knows the annual salary

The comment was not directed at you in particular... it's nothing personal but if people have bothered to read the thread they'd know that it would be a costly exercise to sack Goodwin

Back through the thread there's been numerous posts with links to how much it would cost the club to pay Goodwin out

Through the media etc as well. The notion of us sacking Goodwin has in large part been put to bed as it's going to cost the club too much money to do so

Go back a couple of months on this thread and all the info is there to see. In fact, what myself and others have been saying about the payout has already been said numerous times previously

Fact is I'm just here repeating myself

It's been reported that Goodwin is on a water-tight contract and that he is on at least $1Million per season ... and the FD tax is a very real thing

It's simple mathematics, not at all complicated

Much like the player salary cap, clubs can't exceed the FD spend (mainly the coaching) ... if they do they incur a 75% tax for every dollar up to $1Million (in any given season)

Edited July 4Jul 4 by Macca

4 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

Thanks for having a go at it, and I understand what you’re saying.

My question is where does “culture” come into it? The poster said “His selections fuel poor culture issues.”

The word Culture gets bandied about so much that it’s lost its true definition. Culture isn’t something that changes from day to day or week to week, nor does it change depending on whether we win or lose, nor is it interchangeable with whatever else may be an issue at the present time.

Had the poster said “His selections fuel angst…” for example, or “… disharmony…” for another example, the assertion might make more sense.

Well these issues may foster resentment, may create rise to counter-productive tendencies. Where as teams thrive on sycronicity having some splinter off with festering dissatisfactions doesn't promote across the board comradeship. It creates factions.

If I recall correctly this very idea broached surface some whiles back.

The culture of a club is everything, the philosophy through to how standards are followed as well as edicts.

Unhappy campers are not good for team spirit.

Footy is more often than not a game of very small percentages ( we got that bit nailed eh... ) but by that I mean the difference between 97% effort and 100% is where the mind is at and if there's the slightest of niggle because someone feels ever so slightly peeved then your making it easier for your opponents.

Culture isn't the pretty words spoken at dinners... culture is your mates having your back. All marching to a single beat.

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

The comment was not directed at you in particular... it's nothing personal but if people have bothered to read the thread they'd know that it would be a costly exercise to sack Goodwin

Have you read the thread?

There's been numerous posts with links to how much it would cost the club to pay Goodwin out

Through the media etc as well. The notion of us sacking Goodwin has in large part been put to bed as it's going to cost the club too much money to do so

Go back a couple of months on this thread and all the info is there to see. In fact, what myself and others have been saying about the payout has already been said numerous times previously

Fact is I'm just here repeating myself

It's been reported that Goodwin is on a water-tight contract and that he is on at least $1Million per season ... and the FD tax is a very real thing

Goodwin’s contract maybe water-tight, but there are people out there who would give their left nut to coach an AFL team Macca. The club is not hamstrung in making change. They can provide opportunities to a new coach who can reinvigorate the club and the list.

1 minute ago, Nietaphart said:

Goodwin’s contract maybe water-tight, but there are people out there who would give their left nut to coach an AFL team Macca. The club is not hamstrung in making change. They can provide opportunities to a new coach who can reinvigorate the club and the list.

Think the soft cap goes up substantially next year and a couple of other thing’s changing in that regards that will make it easier financially to sack Goodwin this year. If the club decides to.

2 minutes ago, Nietaphart said:

Goodwin’s contract maybe water-tight, but there are people out there who would give their left nut to coach an AFL team Macca. The club is not hamstrung in making change. They can provide opportunities to a new coach who can reinvigorate the club and the list.

What I'm looking for here is a level of fairness that should be applied

The players are lazy and they are loafing on the job. And getting well paid to boot

For instance, Oliver's contract should have been torn up at the end of 2023 for breach of contract. No sentiment, there's the door

We need to overhaul the list otherwise we're in for 5 more years of miserable losses (regardless of who is the coach)

Edited July 4Jul 4 by Macca

1 minute ago, ANG13 said:

Think the soft cap goes up substantially next year and a couple of other thing’s changing in that regards that will make it easier financially to sack Goodwin this year. If the club decides to.

Ooze took over Richmond knowing they would struggle, just to get an opportunity. They’re others.

1 minute ago, Macca said:

What makes you think I'm a Goodwin fan? Because I'm not

What I'm looking for here is a level of fairness that should be applied

The players are lazy and they are loafing on the job. And getting well paid to boot. Bludging. Bruise-free. Pathetic

For instance, Oliver's contract should have been torn up at the end of 2023 for breach of contract. No sentiment, there's the door

We need to overhaul the list otherwise we're in for 5 more years of miserable losses (regardless of who is the coach)

I am not assuming you are a Goodwin supporter, but I am looking at a solution focussed way to this situation. The club has leverage to our current situation. If that means moving on Oliver and others, so be it.

Just now, Nietaphart said:

I am not assuming you are a Goodwin supporter, but I am looking at a solution focussed way to this situation. The club has leverage to our current situation. If that means moving on Oliver and others, so be it.

What club would want to pay full whack for our potential discards?

Moving on Petracca, Viney & Oliver would be chiefly a mass salary dump. We wouldn't be getting much back in return and we'd still be up for sizeable amounts of their salaries

Ultimately, we're probably better off trying to turn all 3 around

As it stands right now, all 3 could be sent back to Casey until they learn how to kick to position properly. I'm tired of watching all 3 butcher the ball. Right now, they offer no value

Matchwinners? That ship has sailed

Our only A grade player these days is Gawn and he's losing his leap

The list is in a real mess and needs an overhaul

Some will argue that having so many good players playing well below their best is the fault of the coach

My view is that it's the players fault

Edited July 4Jul 4 by Macca

4 minutes ago, Macca said:

What club would want to pay full whack for our potential discards?

Moving on Petracca, Viney & Oliver would be chiefly a mass salary dump. We wouldn't be getting much back in return and we'd still be up for sizeable amounts of their salaries

As it stands, all 3 should be sent back to Casey until they learn how to kick to position properly. I'm tired of watching all 3 butcher the ball. They offer no value

Matchwinners? That ship has sailed

Our only A grade player these days is Gawn and he's losing his leap

The list is in a real mess and needs an overhaul

Some will argue that having so many good players playing well below their best is the fault of the coach

My view is that it's the players fault

Either way, it’s time for some change.