Goodwin’s put his job on the line. Don’t underestimate the stress this guy is currently under. He’s got ego’s playing poorly and not doing the team things. He’s got players ignoring team rules. That goal to Noble when he ran past Rowell showed Fritsch and Sparrow high fiving and The Brand arguing with the umpire, like that has ever worked. That goal doesn’t happen in 21, it doesn’t even happen last year. That’s a significant drop in standards. I don’t put these instances at the feet of Goodwin but if they continue to happen he’ll take the fall. If we don’t start seeing our leaders falling into line then they are marking their cards, Goodwin becomes the collateral damage. Let’s just see how much this experienced group really love their coach and team mates. From where I sit it’s currently all talk. These guys know the gig and they can rectify the stoppage game and start bringing our young talent into the game. The fact Langford was far and away our most damaging mid is an indictment on the others. Watching Petracca burn team mates forward of the ball to kick long says a lot about where his head is at. Let’s see if the response comes this week because on paper we have the talent.

If the response doesn't come from the stars, it really speaks volumes about how little they care about their own club and coach and team. Only a real jerk wouldn't want to really try as hard as possible for their own team in this situation they find themselves in right now.

I am going to listen to Goody’s presser for the first time in years. Interested to hear it and then see how our performance aligns to his external messaging.

4 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

Grundy was such a disaster and should have been a massive red flag to the admin that our footy department was out of ideas.

If you look at his current form and how he played during the back end of last year, I think we were sold a lemon.

Just now, Flowergirl said:

If you look at his current form and how he played during the back end of last year, I think we were sold a lemon.

Buyer beware. Besides he had no real role within our team.

We love doing Collingwood a favour though.

21 minutes ago, JJJ said:

There isn’t a refusal

Yes there is

We may see an admission from Gawn or from the leadership group

Do you remember when Green & Jones admitted that they needed to buy-in to the coach's message?

It's the same story now. If we turn it around straight away we may not hear anything but if the thrashings continue, the media will probably focus in on the players, not the coaching

They have already started doing it highlighting the complete lack of effort by some of our senior players ... that could easily continue unless we pick things up

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4 minutes ago, Flowergirl said:

If you look at his current form and how he played during the back end of last year, I think we were sold a lemon.

Kind of shows some elite list management from McCrae by letting him go in his first year as coach.

40 minutes ago, JJJ said:

I am going to listen to Goody’s presser for the first time in years. Interested to hear it and then see how our performance aligns to his external messaging.

Good luck JJJ

I cannot listen coz he makes me grind my teeth hopefully it's not about love and the magical mystery tour

I think Goody is having an MLC

3 minutes ago, Kent said:

Good luck JJJ

I cannot listen coz he makes me grind my teeth hopefully it's not about love and the magical mystery tour

I think Goody is having an MLC

Has our Captain made any comments about the new game plan?

Isn't that a bit odd? He's often on the front foot

27 minutes ago, Macca said:

Yes there is and you and others will find out soon enough. Yours is the hyperbole

Wd may an admission from Gawn or from the leadership group

Do you remember when Green & Jones admitted that they needed to buy-in to the coach's message?

It's the same story now. If we turn it around straight away we may not hear anything but if the thrashings continue, the media will probably focus in on the players, not the coaching

They have already started doing it highlighting the complete lack of effort by some of our senior players ... that could easily continue

But if you and others just want to blame the coach alone, go right ahead

You say there is a refusal. Based on what?

A lack of buy in from players, particularly senior players who have experienced success, doesn’t just happen. That’s a further indictment on the coach if true.

I am not admonishing the players of responsibility but as I have stated earlier; these players know what it takes and yet they’re potentially not fully onboard with the coach. It could be that the message is old or the players talent is on the wain in which case you either rip down the playing list and start again or you try a different approach with the same players. I can tell you categorically which option the club has chosen.

Also, nothing I have said is hyperbolic. I’ve merely pointed out that we’ve wasted a playing list that will be difficult to replicate any time soon and that in my opinion, a lot of what is occurring now was sown over the past 5-6 seasons. Who is to be held to account? The answer is pretty easy.

16 minutes ago, Macca said:

Has our Captain made any comments about the new game plan?

Isn't that a bit odd? He's often on the front foot

He will soon enough.

If I were him I wouldn’t be in a hurry after my coach hung me out to dry after the North game. But that’s just me.

4 minutes ago, JJJ said:

He will soon enough.

If I were him I wouldn’t be in a hurry after my coach hung me out to dry after the North game. But that’s just me.

hung him out to dry? He was trying to support his captain and admitted he said too much

4 minutes ago, JJJ said:

He will soon enough.

If I were him I wouldn’t be in a hurry after my coach hung me out to dry after the North game. But that’s just me.

Hardly the crime of the century, more a slip of the tongue

Gawn is letting his coach down by not buying into the new game plan

We've seen how selfish Max can be with the whole Grundy fiasco

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39 minutes ago, Macca said:

Hardly the crime of the century, more a slip of the tongue

Gawn is letting his coach down by not buying into the new game plan

We've seen how selfish Max can be with the whole Grundy fiasco

The Grundy fiasco was all on Goody and the list team. Arrogantly thinking Grundy was a like for like replacement for Jackson. That was a huge error in judgement. Huge. There were plenty of pundits and experts alike who thought it was a terrible idea to bring Grundy across. And they were correct!

As a matter of fact, placing any blame at the feet of Max is flat out wrong. I can’t believe you would bring that up in this context. Grundy’s recruitment only adds to the narrative, one which I believe in, that we wasted our talent. In this case recruiting a ruckman instead addressing real areas of weakness.

7 minutes ago, JJJ said:

The Grundy fiasco was all on Goody and the list team. Arrogantly thinking Grundy was a like for like replacement for Jackson. That was a huge error in judgement. Huge. There were plenty of pundits and experts alike who thought it was a terrible idea to bring Grundy across. And they were correct!

As a matter of fact, placing any blame at the feet of Max is flat out wrong. I can’t believe you would bring that up in this context. Grundy’s recruitment only adds to the narrative, one which I believe in, that we wasted our talent. In this case recruiting a ruckman instead addressing real areas of weakness.

Max should have been prepared to play forward especially with all our marking forwards struck down with injury just prior to the finals in 2023

We were forced to play a D Grade forward line in the 2023 finals

If Max had have been prepared to play forward we would have had a better chance of winning the flag that year

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11 minutes ago, Macca said:

Max should have been prepared to play forward especially with all our marking forwards struck down with injury just prior to the finals in 2023

Max looked after Max

We were forced to play a D Grade forward line in the 2023 finals

If Max had have been prepared to play forward we would have had a better chance of winning the flag that year

Again, Max looked after Max

I have to disagree with this completely. Grundy was next to useless anywhere but at the ball ups and he wasn’t that good at them either. We rolled the dice and it failed. The team failed in 23 because of some bad injuries and poor kicking. I’m not sure how Max forward helped that.

3 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

I have to disagree with this completely. Grundy was next to useless anywhere but at the ball ups and he wasn’t that good at them either. We rolled the dice and it failed. The team failed in 23 because of some bad injuries and poor kicking. I’m not sure how Max forward helped that.

Gawn had to be able to help a D Grade forward line ... in the Carlton SF, T-Mac was our only KPF (on half a leg) and he was the 2nd ruck as well

T-Mac was a totally liability against Carlton so we had zero key forwards. None

Max is 6'10" ... you can't tell me he wouldn't have helped

The forward line in the 2023 finals was decimated. Even with Gawn forward it was a big ask to win the GF

But we should not have shunted Grundy out. And the reason we didn't see Grundy again was he was told his opportunities were slim (with Max not wanting to play forward)

So Gawn forward swapping with Grundy could have made a difference considering we lost both finals narrowly

But Max didn't want a bar of it. Grundy's rucking around the ground was fine and he was actually playing quite well until we sacked him (with Max not being prepared to sacrifice his own game)

Since then we've had to deal with 3 more Prima Donna's acting up. A coincidence? Who knows?

To me, 2022 was the one that got away ... injuries wasn't an issue but we ran out of legs. Should have managed our players better

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On 01/04/2025 at 09:10, picket fence said:

Anyone care to take a stab at what this "New" game plan looks like,coz all I've seen is more cataclysmic continuation of last years 'bomb' into the forward line fiasco. What makes it worse is our previously contested ball strength is now gone. Players look shellshocked and coach appears clueless!

It's a hybrid of scores from stoppage with aggressive forward handball (see Round 1) and the modern transition game that sweats turnovers (with less emphasis on territory), uses aggressive forward handball to move the ball quickly, utilising leg speed to break lines and kicking to keep chains going from turnover.

It's also different with and without the ball, and matters whether it's a fast play versus a slow play. With the ball on slow plays, we look to possess the ball keepings off with shorter chips across half back to either open space up ahead or draw the zone out, so we can go over the top of it, or through it with an angled kick that allows us to bring the ball quickly through the corridor.

For someone who has apparently coached the sport before, you seem to have a lack of interest on tactics, structures and ball movement, or you simply view the game through an outdated lens.

I agree we were terrible against the Suns, and terrible in the last quarter against North, but since you were fishing or whatever you were doing when your boy Jeffo debuted, you missed a pretty clear example of what we're trying to do this year against GWS.

On 01/04/2025 at 09:03, Macca said:

Do you want to tell @bing181 to stay away from the thread as well

Hah!

Well, the thread title has a question mark in it, so I'm just responding to that.

In truth, I have no idea if it's time for Goody to go or not. But I do know what the facts tell us about sacking coaches, especially in-season, so I'm just running with that.

I've also have to add that I've been fortunate enough to have seen from the outside something of what goes on internally at an elite, international level (sport). And my take away from that has been that things internally are very very different to what they look like externally. So I'm very wary of comments like "Goodwin has lost the players" etc., just as I'm very wary of laying the blame at the foot of any single person, much less the head coach. For example, I've been surprised (understatement) when our midfield has been so disastrous, why there have been few if any comments on Nathan Jones' role and potential shortcomings in what he's doing, given he's the midfield coach (alongside Sam Radford).

2 hours ago, Adam The God said:

It's a hybrid of scores from stoppage with aggressive forward handball (see Round 1) and the modern transition game that sweats turnovers (with less emphasis on territory), uses aggressive forward handball to move the ball quickly, utilising leg speed to break lines and kicking to keep chains going from turnover.

It's also different with and without the ball, and matters whether it's a fast play versus a slow play. With the ball on slow plays, we look to possess the ball keepings off with shorter chips across half back to either open space up ahead or draw the zone out, so we can go over the top of it, or through it with an angled kick that allows us to bring the ball quickly through the corridor.

For someone who has apparently coached the sport before, you seem to have a lack of interest on tactics, structures and ball movement, or you simply view the game through an outdated lens.

I agree we were terrible against the Suns, and terrible in the last quarter against North, but since you were fishing or whatever you were doing when your boy Jeffo debuted, you missed a pretty clear example of what we're trying to do this year against GWS.

Thanks for ur Candour and opinion, yeah probably lack the forsight of modernist views, old school u know... cheers P.F

4 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Hah!

Well, the thread title has a question mark in it, so I'm just responding to that.

In truth, I have no idea if it's time for Goody to go or not. But I do know what the facts tell us about sacking coaches, especially in-season, so I'm just running with that.

I've also have to add that I've been fortunate enough to have seen from the outside something of what goes on internally at an elite, international level (sport). And my take away from that has been that things internally are very very different to what they look like externally. So I'm very wary of comments like "Goodwin has lost the players" etc., just as I'm very wary of laying the blame at the foot of any single person, much less the head coach. For example, I've been surprised (understatement) when our midfield has been so disastrous, why there have been few if any comments on Nathan Jones' role and potential shortcomings in what he's doing, given he's the midfield coach (alongside Sam Radford).

Could be that people just don't like Goodwin's demeaner in the sense (previously at least) he's a bit deadpan and therefore dull

But I like that in a coach as one of my favourite coach's of all time is Bill Belichick ... ultra successful in a parity league (NFL) but in his entire coaching career (24 sessons) rarely said anything

The bloke could mumble for 10 minutes and give nothing away (see clip below)

And I'm with you, when things aren't going well in a club, it's never one person's fault

Anyway, here's Bill (via the Colin Cowherd show)

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3 hours ago, Macca said:

Could be that people just don't like Goodwin's demeaner in the sense (previously at least) he's a bit deadpan and therefore dull

But I like that in a coach as one of my favourite coach's of all time is Bill Belichick ... ultra successful in a parity league (NFL) but in his entire coaching career (24 sessons) rarely said anything

The bloke could mumble for 10 minutes and give nothing away (see clip below)

And I'm with you, when things aren't going well in a club, it's never one person's fault

Anyway, here's Bill (via the Colin Cowherd show)

I won’t speak for everyone, but the thing that irritates me most about Goody is not his deadpan delivery, it’s his persistent use of corporate-style word salad. I find it intensely annoying, both because it comes across as insincere and because he is also absolutely terrible at it. He often says things that are just pure nonsense. If he also communicates like that behind closed doors then it’s little wonder players are struggling to understand the game plan.

Goodwin coached the team to a flag as well as 3 other finals series with a game plan that obviously worked

The difference between then and now is a new game plan that will need time to kick into gear

I'd say we're going to have mixed results for the rest of the season but another off-season (with the deadwood shipped out along with the arrival of 4 or 5 top prospect draftees*) should see the club become more consistent on the field in 2026

And once our young players start to blossom we can make a serious challenge in 2027

We just need to hold our nerve and keep at the players to embrace the new game style

Those who can't buy-in may well fall by the wayside

So I'm quite optimistic for the future even though at least a couple of our better players may well be looking for greener pastures at seasons end ... but they've got trade value so we might end up in a net gain situation

*So how would it be if we were able to add another 4 or 5 McVee, May, Langford, Windsor or Lindsay types out of the one draft? (2025 Draft) On top of what we've already got now

And that is not pie-in-the-sky stuff with a genius like Jason Taylor at the helm

I'm already getting my head around a revamped & refreshed list

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I’m hoping for a revamped and refreshed football club.

We need the team to continue to work to implement the new game style that they’ve been working on for the past year, and recruiting for. We need to resist the pressure on Goody, trust that this evolution depends in part on our best 22 playing, especially those players, the quick and agile with good skills.

Pickett, Windsor and McVee are big outs, so Picket and Windsor back in are big ins.

Hold tough! Have faith in the team, the coach and their plan. This can turn quickly.