22 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

 

Hunter.  Sestan. Delisted surely.  

Emotions were running high after the Casey capitulation. (Lucky there's an edit option). Lachie may well be enjoying his golf more next season, but Ollie Sestan will play on IMO.

Tom Sparrow actually looked like an AFL level player, his presence in the centre square and around the packs set the tone and was most impactful up to 3/4 time. Doubled his usual statistical output with 31 disposals, nine clearances and nine tackles. Including a powerful run down tackle, where he absolutely decked a bloke and surprisingly received a free kick.

Oliver Sestan played the understudy not as prominently or as consistently as the Sparrow midfield bull with 21 disposals and 3 tackles and 3 clearances. He may have spent more time up forward. Where he took a couple of marks on the i50 at the start of the last quarter. But was a little tentative, inexperienced and attempted to pass off rather than go for the shots. Put the slipper in rather than full blooded boot. GWS juniors mimicked the *seniors by sweeping the ball down forward with hand passes and accurate foot passes for a mini-tsunami of goals to kill the game off.

Sestan and Jefferson have both exhibited encouraging vignettes of their footy ability, but both players need to build consistency and take their opportunities to get to the next level.

 

As Albert Einstein once wittingly observed with his Success in Life Equation:

A=X+Y+Z

Success equals work, play and Z? (keep your mouth shut).

Edited July 28, 2024Jul 28 by Tarax Club
* Toby Greene v Matt Stevic poodle payout =luck?

22 hours ago, KC from Casey said:

Ollie Sestan 1 behind 12 kicks 3 handballs 15 disposals 4 marks 3 tackles 79 dream team points
Roan Steele 12 kicks 3 handballs 15 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 64 dream team points
Will Verrall 1 goal 1 behind 9 kicks 3 handballs 12 disposals 4 marks 1 tackle 11 hitouts 44 dream team points

Kai Windsor 10 kicks 2 handballs 12 disposals 1 mark 1 tackle 42 dream team points

The dream team points make no sense. I've not really looked at them before but how they're calculated is a head-scratcher. Above are players with similar stats. How does Verrall get only 44 points?

12 minutes ago, Roger Mellie said:

The dream team points make no sense. I've not really looked at them before but how they're calculated is a head-scratcher. Above are players with similar stats. How does Verrall get only 44 points?

It’s been subsequently revised to 64. 

GOT AWAY by KC from Casey

There was a stage deep in the third term of the game at Casey Fields when UTS Giants fans were deep in despair. Three and a half minutes of time on had elapsed, the rains were coming down, the wind was howling and the lights on the scoreboard on the outer brightly shone like a distress signal as their team’s season sagged on the line -

• Casey Demons 6 goals 9 behinds 45 points

• UWS Giants 3 goals 3 behinds 21 points.

The Giants were being dominated in the wet conditions and while the deficit of four goals was not insurmountable, it looked impossible. The fact of the matter was that but for the home side’s inaccuracy in front of goals, their season would have already been well and truly sunk.

As it turned out, there was no need to panic.

The Giants’ winning key forward Max Gruzewski was about to boot through his fourth goal to raise their faint hopes of a revival. When the siren sounded to signal three quarter time he was still their only goal kicker and they trailed by 20 points.

Then followed eighteen frenetic minutes to remember as the Giants added another four goals (including Max Gruzewski’s fifth in a row) to Casey’s four behinds to level the scores at 51 each another nine minutes before Callum Brown kicked a point to put the team in front. That was enough to win it but, for good measure, they added another at a little over a minute left.

The final score board flashed -

• Casey Demons 6 goals 15 behinds 51 points

• UWS Giants 9 goals 4 behinds 58 points.

The final score would have been familiar to a couple of AFL premiership players in Tom Sparrow and Lachie Hunter who played in similarly unfriendly conditions in Alice Springs against the Giants last year (5.15.45 to 7.5.47) so they would be well aware that the adage about bad kicking being bad football is so very much an important indicator of how games in this sport are won and lost. To a lesser extent the AFL Demons learned the same lesson last night.

The defeat was certainly not the fault of either of those players. Sparrow entered the fray determined to atone for his omission from the Melbourne team with 31 disposals, nine tackles and nine clearances. One of those tackles was a bone jarring tackle that showed his teammates the way as they began their period of dominance in the second and third quarters. Even when the Giants’ revival was on the cards, he was burrowing in hard for the football to will his team home. Hunter finished with 18 possessions, three marks and a couple of tackles after resting on the bench in the game’s early stages.

Other Melbourne listed players to do well were Tom Fullarton with 25 disposals, 16 hitouts, ten clearances and o goal and defenders Marty Hore and Adam Tomlinson was strong with 23 and 22 touches respectively. Matthew Jefferson continues to showcase a future of promise with his 17 disposals but could have learned from Gruzewski when it came to accuracy in front of the big sticks. His only goal from four shots came from a long way out.

Young rookies in Ollie Sestan and Will Verrall showed that they remain worthy of perseverance going into the future.

Mitch White was once again the leader of the pack of VFL listed players along with Tyson Edwards but in the main this cohort tired badly in the end along with many of the AFL listed players who struggled to find touch in the difficult conditions in a game that got away.

CASEY DEMONS 2.2.14 4.5.29 6.11.47 6.15.51

UWS GIANTS 2.2.14 3.3.21 4.3.27 9.4.58

GOALS

CASEY DEMONS Bell Fullarton Jefferson Verrall White Yze

UWS GIANTS Gruzewski 5 Delana Hebron Wardius Wehr

BEST

CASEY DEMONS Sparrow Hore Fullarton White Jefferson Sestan Fullarton

UWS GIANTS Gruzewski Haynes Leake Brown Stone Angwin

Statistics

Jack Bell 1 goals 2 kicks 2 handballs 4 disposals 2 marks 22 dream team points
Kynan Brown 3 kicks 7 handballs 10 disposals 1 mark 7 tackles 54 dream team points
Tyler Edwards 9 kicks 7 handballs 16 disposals 1 mark 41 dream team points
Tom Fullarton 1 goal 1 behind 14 kicks 10 handballs 24 disposals 3 marks 2 tackles 16 hitouts 95 dream team points
Roy George 3 behinds 7 kicks 3 handballs 10 disposals 4 marks 2 tackles 44 dream team points
Max Gregory 2 kicks 2 handballs 4 disposals 1 mark 1 tackle 17 dream team points
Blake Howes 6 kicks 4 handballs 10 disposals 1 mark 1 tackle 33 dream team points
Marty Hore 17 kicks 6 handballs 23 disposals 11 marks 1 tackle 97 dream team points
Lachie Hunter 1 behind 12 kicks 6 handballs 18 disposals 3 marks 2 tackles 66 dream team points
Matt Jefferson 1 goal 3 behinds 8 kicks 9 handballs 17 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 73 dream team points
Luker Kentfield 1 behind 4 kicks 4 disposals 1 mark 15 dream team points
Nick Moodie kicks handballs disposals marks tackles 41 dream team points
Harvey Neocleous kicks handballs disposals marks tackles dream team points
Charlie Peters 1 behind 7 kicks 5 handballs 12 disposals 4 tackles 48 dream team points
Josh Schache 6 kicks 1 handballs 7 disposals 3 marks 30 dream team points
Ollie Sestan 1 behind 12 kicks 3 handballs 15 disposals 4 marks 3 tackles 79 dream team points
Tom Sparrow  1 behind 17 kicks 14 handballs 31 disposals 4 marks 9 tackles 133 dream team points
Roan Steele 12 kicks 3 handballs 15 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 64 dream team points
Adam Tomlinson 17 kicks 4 handballs 21 disposals 8 marks 78 dream team points
Will Verrall 1 goal 1 behind 9 kicks 3 handballs 12 disposals 4 marks 1 tackle 11 hitouts 64 dream team points
Mitch White 1 goal 16 kicks 5 handballs 21 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 86 dream team points
Kai Windsor 10 kicks 2 handballs 12 disposals 1 mark 1 tackle 42 dream team points
Noah Yze 1 goals 4 kicks 4 handballs 8 disposals 2 marks 7 tackles 57 dream team points

20 hours ago, BAMF said:

Hardly. 

We took Jefferson (pick 15) who was widely touted as the 2nd best forward in the draft behind Cadman (pick 1)

Gruzewski (pick 22) had a few question marks on him at the time and went at the start of the second round. We didnt have another pick until Adams (pick 38).

Gruzewski was playing forward and back and was listed at the same height as JVR who we had taken a year earlier. We needed a taller player to compliment him and it was an obvious decision to pick Jefferson. 

With neither Jefferson or Gruzewski playing much/any AFL matches, it's way to early for any comparisons or wrist slashing.

I would be happy if we were targeting him for a trade though.

Lol

Gruzewksi is 192cm

Jefferson is 194cm tall.

There is literally barely any difference between them in height. Gruzewksi is more a bigger and physical player which has translated onto VFL and AFL level.

You also say Gruzewski had question marks? Jefferson had just as bugger question marks as Gruzewski due to his slight frame and lack of intensity. Those question marks still stand.

I see that Yze was named in the Casey better players 

What was his role and how did he do? 8 disposal only but 7 tackles I believe.  

2 hours ago, monoccular said:

I see that Yze was named in the Casey better players 

What was his role and how did he do? 8 disposal only but 7 tackles I believe.  

Mono he appeared much more comfortable this game than his Casey Demons debut. 7 tackles indicates he is willing to get his hands dirty and apply defensive pressure to his opponents. 8 disposals seems like a limited contribution but he probably had a lower ToG% than most. He was covering space forward of centre,  HFF? Two scoring chains he was prominently involved with resulted in Casey goals. When he gathered the ball and burst thru the pack to deliver a composed foot pass to Will Verrall. That was a match highlight. Looks physically bigger than Dad, covers the ground well and he appears to have a fair portion of the Yze footy IQ. Will need to wait to see if he has any of Adem’s X’ factor. IMM a definite father son prospect.

 

Edited July 28, 2024Jul 28 by Tarax Club

7 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Lol

Gruzewksi is 192cm

Jefferson is 194cm tall.

There is literally barely any difference between them in height. Gruzewksi is more a bigger and physical player which has translated onto VFL and AFL level.

You also say Gruzewski had question marks? Jefferson had just as bugger question marks as Gruzewski due to his slight frame and lack of intensity. Those question marks still stand.

Just the way I remember it. Not a draft expert by any means. 

My post was just pointing out that we didn't 'over look' Gruzewski and let's judge the call of Jefferson over Gruzewski once they have a a modicum more games under their belt.

 

15 hours ago, Tarax Club said:

Mono he appeared much more comfortable this game than his Casey Demons debut. 7 tackles indicates he is willing to get his hands dirty and apply defensive pressure to his opponents. 8 disposals seems like a limited contribution but he probably had a lower ToG% than most. He was covering space forward of centre,  HFF? Two scoring chains he was prominently involved with resulted in Casey goals. When he gathered the ball and burst thru the pack to deliver a composed foot pass to Will Verrall. That was a match highlight. Looks physically bigger than Dad, covers the ground well and he appears to have a fair portion of the Yze footy IQ. Will need to wait to see if he has any of Adem’s X’ factor. IMM a definite father son prospect.

 

Agree. Noah Yze would probably be a rookie listed father son pick. Has good AFL quality and had that competitive edge.  

22 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Lol

Gruzewksi is 192cm

Jefferson is 194cm tall.

There is literally barely any difference between them in height. Gruzewksi is more a bigger and physical player which has translated onto VFL and AFL level.

You also say Gruzewski had question marks? Jefferson had just as bugger question marks as Gruzewski due to his slight frame and lack of intensity. Those question marks still stand.

I don’t think there’s much value in obsessing over height but I do think there’s something to Jeffo’s rangy long arms and overall bag of tricks that would pair well with an aggressive big body guy like JVR.

But more importantly I had almost seen enough of Jeffo 10 weeks ago, now he’s performing more often than not despite wintry conditions, an oversized forward line and poor midfield supply. Even though it’s just VFL for now he’s been a bright spot on the season.