Stats Files - 2023

[WheeloRatings 1,159]

Melbourne v North Melbourne (Round 21, 2023)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20232107

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat	For	Against	Diff
Disposal Efficiency	72.0	75.6	-3.5
Kicking Efficiency	61.5	65.6	-4.1
Metres Gained	6223	5789	+434
Inside 50s	69	45	+24
Shots At Goal	29	22	+7
Shots Per Inside 50	42.0	48.9	-6.9
Contested Possessions	148	118	+30
Ground Ball Gets	98	78	+20
Intercepts	74	68	+6
Intercept Marks	16	20	-4
Centre Clearances	14	11	+3
Stoppage Clearances	26	29	-3
Contested Marks	8	7	+1
Marks Inside 50	17	5	+12
Hitouts	37	47	-10
Hitouts To Advantage	19	19	+0
Tackles	54	64	-10
Tackles Inside 50	12	10	+2
Def One On One Loss %	6.7	21.4	-14.8

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter	For	Against
1	174	203
2	175	163
3	160	184
4	189	182
Match	175	182

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player	Pressure Acts	Pressure Points	Season Average*
Tom Sparrow	29	55	42.7
James Harmes	24	50	37.6
Alex Neal-Bullen	20	44	46.3
Jack Viney	20	38	53.6
Jake Bowey	15	38	22.5
Angus Brayshaw	19	36	33.2
Lachie Hunter	16	34	23.1
Christian Petracca	16	33	47.5
James Jordon	16	30	24.2
Christian Salem	13	29	28.7
Jacob van Rooyen	12	29	22.6
Joel Smith	9	24	17.3
Trent Rivers	10	23	23.5
Kysaiah Pickett	12	22	41.2
Kade Chandler	10	22	30.7
Jake Melksham	7	22	14.3
Max Gawn	10	20	22.2
Harrison Petty	11	19	19.7
Ed Langdon	12	17	27.6
Jake Lever	9	17	15.7
Judd McVee	9	13	18.2
Steven May	4	10	14.4
Michael Hibberd	2	6	11.6

* Pressure points for rounds 4 and 6 have not been able to be sourced from the Herald Sun. Pressure points for these matches have been estimated from the number of pressure acts for each player.

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter	For	Against
1	54%	46%
2	49%	51%
3	77%	23%
4	67%	33%
Match	63%	37%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Score sources highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Category	For			Against			Diff
	G	B	T	G	B	T
Kick-in	0	0	0	0	0	0	+0
Centre Bounce	3	2	20	1	2	8	+12
Stoppage (Other)	5	4	34	1	3	9	+25
Turnover	7	6	48	8	6	54	-6

Category	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season
Kick-in	0	2.5	0	2.0
Centre Bounce	20	12.0	8	7.2
Stoppage (Other)	34	24.7	9	21.8
Turnover	48	53.7	54	43.1

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective. Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by North Melbourne.

Category	Region	For		Against
		Match	Season	Match	Season
Kick-in	D50	0	2.5	0	2.0
Centre Bounce	Centre	20	12.0	8	7.2
Stoppage (Other)	D50	0	0.6	0	2.2
Stoppage (Other)	Centre	6	3.1	0	1.4
Stoppage (Other)	Wing	25	13.2	6	6.9
Stoppage (Other)	F50	3	7.8	3	11.3
Turnover	D50	12	11.2	6	6.0
Turnover	Centre	8	7.8	2	6.4
Turnover	Wing	22	27.7	26	22.1
Turnover	F50	6	7.0	20	8.6

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season
D50	12	14.3	6	10.2
Centre	34	22.9	10	15.1
Wing	47	40.9	32	29.0
F50	9	14.8	23	19.9

Points from defensive half

For		Against
Match	Season	Match	Season
33	34.7	19	24.1

Shots at goal

Team	Shots	G	B	T	Acc.
General Play
Melbourne	11	6	3	39	54.5
North Melbourne	14	4	8	32	28.6
Set Position
Melbourne	18	9	5	59	50.0
North Melbourne	8	6	2	38	75.0

Centre Bounce Attendances

	CBAs	CBA %	2023 %	2022 %
Max Gawn	22	79	59.9	65.5
Jack Viney	19	68	71.1	74.6
Christian Petracca	17	61	62.8	74.6
Angus Brayshaw	15	54	32.5	16.0
James Jordon	12	43	28.9	0.2
Tom Sparrow	11	39	46.7	32.2
James Harmes	7	25	26.7	14.6
Jacob van Rooyen	6	21	7.3
Kysaiah Pickett	3	11	11.8	1.3
Trent Rivers	0	0	3.4	0.0
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0	2.5	3.5
Harrison Petty	0	0	0.7	0.0
Clayton Oliver			82.8	86.5
Brodie Grundy			55.7	83.7
Tom McDonald			5.4	0.0
Josh Schache			0.0	13.8

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

	Ruck Contests	RC %	2023 %	2022 %
Max Gawn	63	62	53.1	57.8
Jacob van Rooyen	38	38	12.7
Harrison Petty	0	0	2.0	0.0
Joel Smith	0	0	0.1	0.0
Christian Petracca	0	0	0.1	0.1
Steven May	0	0	0.1	0.0
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0	0.1	0.0
Brodie Grundy			49.5	77.4
Tom McDonald			8.9	7.0
Josh Schache			6.7	13.4
Ben Brown			2.3	3.6
Clayton Oliver			0.0	0.0

Hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.	To Adv. % (2023)	To Adv. % (2022)
Max Gawn	63	30	15	33.1	33.6
Jacob van Rooyen	38	7	4	33.3
Harrison Petty	0	0	0	25.0
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0	0	0.0
Brodie Grundy				30.8	30.2
Tom McDonald				25.0	33.3
Ben Brown				0.0	14.3
Josh Schache					33.3

Opposition hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.
Todd Goldstein	53	24	10
Tristan Xerri	44	21	8
Nick Larkey	4	2	1

 

Expected Scores (Champion Data)

93 - 75

[old55 22,531]

Harmes second in pressure, I thought he was good despite some turnovers.

JVR 38% of ruck contests - that's very high.

Edited August 7, 2023 by old55

[Demon Dynasty 17,001]

Round 21, 2023 Blundstone Arena - Kangaroos vs Demons

Didn't watch the match just the mini Kayo version.  Listened to the radio broadcast but doesn't reveal all that much.

Team rating on par with the season average.  The bottom 6 well ahead so looks like we batted pretty deep on the day.

So what's with Hunter's result?  A massive rating for anyone let alone a winger and over 100% up on his average season rating!  So was that how it appeared on the day, did he have a big impact?

In summary...

26 effectives (the most on the day alongside Ziebell) @ 79%, 5 one percenters, 5 clearances, 2 rebounds, 5 inside 50s, 3 tackles, 9 score involvements, 6 intercepts, 339 meters gained and a reasonable 4 turnovers.

Speaking of Ziebell, it felt like he was everywhere on the day in that first half.  Intercepting everything and disrupting so many of our forays forward.  Even 10 minutes in i was wondering when we were going to put a cooler on him but he just kept repelling at will it seemed.  Did anyone notice a change up from the box here in an attempt to lesson his impact?

Tracc also had a big influence on the game it would seem?  Gus, Jordan, ANB and Bowey rating well.  JVR seemingly a very good game up 47% on his season rating!??

Demons

Scoring Efficiency
Disposals Per Goal	26.93
% In50s Goal	21.70
Conversion %	53.60

Tigers Scoring Efficiency
Disposals Per Goal	35.20
% In50s Goal	22.70
Conversion %	47.60

Player	Rating	Rank	Season Rating to Prior Rnd	% Change vs Season Rating
L Hunter	6.050	1	2.915	107.55
C Petracca	5.900	2	4.713	25.19
A Brayshaw	4.900	3	3.797	29.05
J Jordon	4.150	4	3.383	22.67
Jack Viney	3.700	5	3.707	-0.19
T Rivers	3.675	6	3.705	-0.81
J Bowey	3.600	7	2.907	23.84
Max Gawn	3.250	8	3.575	-9.09
C Salem	3.225	9	3.030	6.44
J V Rooyen	3.200	10	2.175	47.13
S May	3.000	11	3.199	-6.22
Jake Lever	2.975	12	3.053	-2.55
A N-Bullen	2.800	13	2.478	12.99
T Sparrow	2.700	14	2.915	-7.38
Ed Langdon	2.600	15	3.179	-18.21
Joel Smith	2.550	16	1.892	34.78
J McVee	2.350	17	2.249	4.49
K Pickett	2.300	18	2.265	1.55
K Chandler	2.200	19	2.400	-8.33
J Harmes	2.100	20	2.772	-24.24
J Melksham	1.725	21	1.504	14.69
H Petty < 55%	1.625	22	2.707	-39.97
M Hibberd > 30%	1.300	23	2.589	-49.79
Team Rating	70.58		70.54	0.05
Top 6	28.38		26.29	7.93
Bottom 6	12.30		9.23	33.26

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Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

[Deelightful Dee 152]

Interesting article on ESPN on an NBA style +/- differential for when players are on the ground vs not / not playing:

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/38110620/afl-players-most-impact-their-team-looking-nba-style-plus-minus

McVee the best for the Dees and only one in the top 20 with +21.61 differential, and surprisingly our opponents this week, Blues, have 3 of the worst 5: #2 Lewis Young with -40.68 (hasn't played recently, spot taken by Kemp who is 4th best with +33.64), #3 J.Motlop with -40.23, #5 Cripps with -33.07. No Dees players in the worst 20!

Edited August 7, 2023 by Deelightful Dee

[Deelightful Dee 152]

1 hour ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Round 21, 2023 Blundstone Arena - Kangaroos vs Demons

Didn't watch the match just the mini Kayo version.  Listened to the radio broadcast but doesn't reveal all that much.

Team rating on par with the season average.  The bottom 6 well ahead so looks like we batted pretty deep on the day.

So what's with Hunter's result?  A massive rating for anyone let alone a winger and over 100% up on his average season rating!  So was that how it appeared on the day, did he have a big impact?

In summary...

26 effectives (the most on the day alongside Ziebell) @ 79%, 5 one percenters, 5 clearances, 2 rebounds, 5 inside 50s, 3 tackles, 9 score involvements, 6 intercepts, 339 meters gained and a reasonable 4 turnovers.

Speaking of Ziebell, it felt like he was everywhere on the day in that first half.  Intercepting everything and disrupting so many of our forays forward.  Even 10 minutes in i was wondering when we were going to put a cooler on him but he just kept repelling at will it seemed.  Did anyone notice a change up from the box here in an attempt to lesson his impact?

Tracc also had a big influence on the game it would seem?  Gus, Jordan, ANB and Bowey rating well.  JVR seemingly a very good game up 47% on his season rating!??

Demons

Scoring Efficiency
Disposals Per Goal	26.93
% In50s Goal	21.70
Conversion %	53.60

Tigers Scoring Efficiency
Disposals Per Goal	35.20
% In50s Goal	22.70
Conversion %	47.60

Player	Rating	Rank	Season Rating to Prior Rnd	% Change vs Season Rating
L Hunter	6.050	1	2.915	107.55
C Petracca	5.900	2	4.713	25.19
A Brayshaw	4.900	3	3.797	29.05
J Jordon	4.150	4	3.383	22.67
Jack Viney	3.700	5	3.707	-0.19
T Rivers	3.675	6	3.705	-0.81
J Bowey	3.600	7	2.907	23.84
Max Gawn	3.250	8	3.575	-9.09
C Salem	3.225	9	3.030	6.44
J V Rooyen	3.200	10	2.175	47.13
S May	3.000	11	3.199	-6.22
Jake Lever	2.975	12	3.053	-2.55
A N-Bullen	2.800	13	2.478	12.99
T Sparrow	2.700	14	2.915	-7.38
Ed Langdon	2.600	15	3.179	-18.21
Joel Smith	2.550	16	1.892	34.78
J McVee	2.350	17	2.249	4.49
K Pickett	2.300	18	2.265	1.55
K Chandler	2.200	19	2.400	-8.33
J Harmes	2.100	20	2.772	-24.24
J Melksham	1.725	21	1.504	14.69
H Petty < 55%	1.625	22	2.707	-39.97
M Hibberd > 30%	1.300	23	2.589	-49.79
Team Rating	70.58		70.54	0.05
Top 6	28.38		26.29	7.93
Bottom 6	12.30		9.23	33.26

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Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Great stuff DD, a bit more context on Hunter from what I can see in his stats (similar to you, still need to watch the replay from Q2 as I was lucky enough to only be able catch Q1😡): 15 contested possessions (#2 for Dees, behind Trac on 16), 5 clearances (#4 for Dees, behind Viney on 10 and Trac/Gus on 6), 6 intercepts (#2 for Dees, behind Lever on 7), 10 ground ball gets (#2 for Dees, behind Trac on 12), 9 score involvements (#3 for Dees, behind Trac on 12 and JVR on 10) and 3 score launches (equal #1 for Dees, with Trac and Gawn). From this, it looks like he contributed strongly all over the ground! 

[old55 22,531]

@WheeloRatings - is there a source for player distance covered per game please?

[WheeloRatings 1,159]

52 minutes ago, old55 said:

@WheeloRatings - is there a source for player distance covered per game please?

No I don't believe that information is publicly available, unfortunately. Telstra own that data but they don't make it readily accessible.

[old55 22,531]

33 minutes ago, WheeloRatings said:

No I don't believe that information is publicly available, unfortunately. Telstra own that data but they don't make it readily accessible.

Thanks, I think it used to be in the Telstra Tracker

[WheeloRatings 1,159]

9 minutes ago, old55 said:

Thanks, I think it used to be in the Telstra Tracker

You can access the top 5 players in a given match in the Tracker section of the AFL app, but I think that's all.

[Demon Dynasty 17,001]

Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 21, 2023 vs H&A Season 2022

Very good signs with the majority of player ratings either near or in front of their 2022 ratings now bar May, Harmes & Melk.

Not highlighting anyone within approx 10% as this can easily change over a few matches should they happen to out-perform their average rating.  Some might also be playing a diff role vs 2022 so that needs to be taken into account.

All eyes on Clarry's return!  Fingers crossed.

Player	2023 Rating	2023 Rank	2022 Rating	% Change vs 2022	2022 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2022
C Oliver	5.285	1	5.320	-0.66	1	0
C Petracca	4.773	2	4.456	7.11	2	0
A Brayshaw	3.853	3	3.839	0.36	5	2
Jack Viney	3.707	4	3.971	-6.65	3	-1
T Rivers <	3.703	5	2.423	52.83	18	13
Max Gawn	3.555	6	3.643	-2.42	8	2
J Jordon > <	3.452	7	3.164	9.10	9	2
Steven May	3.188	8	3.971	-19.72	3	-5
B Grundy	3.159	9	-	-	-	-
Ed Langdon	3.149	10	3.109	1.29	11	1
L Hunter	3.080	11	-	-	-	-
Jake Lever	3.049	12	2.703	12.80	14	2
C Salem	3.048	13	3.363	-9.37	7	-6
Jake Bowey <	2.945	14	2.856	3.12	13	-1
T Sparrow	2.903	15	2.665	8.93	16	1
A Tomlinson <	2.803	16	2.079	34.82	22	6
H Petty <	2.718	17	2.392	13.63	19	2
J Harmes >	2.670	18	3.082	-13.37	12	-6
M Hibberd > <	2.649	19	2.613	1.38	17	-2
A N-Bullen	2.494	20	2.688	-7.22	15	-5
K Chandler <	2.388	21	-	-	-	-
K Pickett	2.267	22	2.118	7.03	21	-1
Judd McVee	2.254	23	-	-	-	-
J V Rooyen	2.239	24	-	-	-	-
B Fritsch <	2.230	25	1.936	15.19	27	2
T McDonald	2.054	26	1.967	4.42	26	0
Joel Smith >	2.000	27	2.239	-10.67	20	-7
Ben Brown <	1.941	28	1.762	10.16	29	1
C Spargo > <	1.886	29	1.981	-4.80	24	-5
J Melksham >	1.532	30	1.947	-21.31	25	-5
T Woewodin	1.406	31	-	-	-	-
J Schache *	1.375	32	-	-	-	-
B Laurie > < *	1.300	33	-	-	-	-
D Turner < *	1.075	34	-	-	-	-
Team Rating	70.84		69.48	1.95

* Played less than two full matches (in total)

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Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Edited August 7, 2023 by Demon Dynasty

[DeeZone 8,817]

Thanks DD I gave Hunter votes but did not realise just how good he was, same for JJ. Viney, Brayshaw and Tracc stood out and it’s always positive when the bottom 6 perform to a higher level, spots are hard to come by and we are only 3 weeks before finals. To bad Casey missed another game certainly doesn’t help our preparation.!!!

Edited August 8, 2023 by DeeZone

[Kent 2,808]

Salem is slipping once again 

Is he carrying an injury? Harmes also descending

[Deelightful Dee 152]

Hi @binman, any chance you can chat to Andy about increasing the max size of files that a post can contain? I can't add my usual visuals with the current max size of 6.58KB. The screenshots I usually add are only around 100KB in size each.

[Demon Dynasty 17,001]

On 8/9/2023 at 7:05 AM, Kent said:

Salem is slipping once again 

Is he carrying an injury? Harmes also descending

Might be the effect of missing a full pre-season starting to impact Kent. 

Pure speculation but listening to many players who've had that interruption over the years, they all say that anytime their pre-season's effected it tends to result in a less than optimum performance during the year.

Not sure what's happened to Harmes.  No one door stops the payers much and even if that were to happen they're all so well trained to say nothing now.

The other one is May.  Might also be a pre-season issue.  Wasn't there some sort of calf issue early on that he was recovering from?  Missed the first game or two?

[WheeloRatings 1,159]

Slight delay with the stats update this week as I headed over to Melbourne to see the game.

Melbourne's pressure of 200 was our highest for the year and Carlton's 206 was the highest against Melbourne. The pressure in the last game between Melbourne and Carlton was 170-170. The pressure points from Oliver (106) and Viney (98) were well above any other Melbourne player this season with the previous high being Oliver's last match with 85 pressure points.

Melbourne v Carlton (Round 22, 2023)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20232201

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat	For	Against	Diff
Disposal Efficiency	66.2	72.3	-6.1
Kicking Efficiency	59.6	64.8	-5.2
Metres Gained	5638	5758	-120
Inside 50s	48	53	-5
Shots At Goal	19	15	+4
Shots Per Inside 50	39.6	28.3	+11.3
Contested Possessions	156	148	+8
Ground Ball Gets	118	119	-1
Intercepts	77	80	-3
Intercept Marks	15	17	-2
Centre Clearances	8	11	-3
Stoppage Clearances	37	32	+5
Contested Marks	8	6	+2
Marks Inside 50	7	10	-3
Hitouts	59	29	+30
Hitouts To Advantage	13	5	+8
Tackles	88	87	+1
Tackles Inside 50	8	21	-13
Def One On One Loss %	21.4	9.1	+12.3

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter	For	Against
1	196	224
2	185	201
3	207	197
4	214	202
Match	200	206

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player	Pressure Acts	Pressure Points	Season Average*
Clayton Oliver	42	106	58.1
Jack Viney	40	98	55.8
Angus Brayshaw	30	70	35.0
Tom Sparrow	29	65	43.9
Christian Petracca	24	51	47.6
Kysaiah Pickett	22	50	41.7
Christian Salem	17	44	30.0
Alex Neal-Bullen	22	42	46.0
Ed Langdon	24	41	28.2
Lachie Hunter	15	35	23.7
Joel Smith	11	27	18.3
Kade Chandler	10	26	30.5
Jake Bowey	10	26	22.7
Jake Melksham	11	26	15.4
Jacob van Rooyen	12	24	22.6
Max Gawn	11	23	22.3
Judd McVee	9	21	18.3
Brodie Grundy	9	20	26.1
James Jordon	8	20	24.0
Trent Rivers	8	19	23.3
Jake Lever	5	8	15.3
Steven May	4	8	14.1
Michael Hibberd	0	0	10.5

* Pressure points for rounds 4 and 6 have not been able to be sourced from the Herald Sun. Pressure points for these matches have been estimated from the number of pressure acts for each player.

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter	For	Against
1	24%	76%
2	52%	48%
3	61%	39%
4	57%	43%
Match	50%	50%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Score sources highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Category	For			Against			Diff
	G	B	T	G	B	T
Kick-in	0	0	0	1	0	6	-6
Centre Bounce	1	1	7	2	1	13	-6
Stoppage (Other)	2	2	14	1	2	8	+6
Turnover	5	5	35	5	3	33	+2

Category	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season
Kick-in	0	2.4	6	2.2
Centre Bounce	7	11.8	13	7.5
Stoppage (Other)	14	24.2	8	21.1
Turnover	35	52.8	33	42.7

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective. Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Carlton.

Category	Region	For		Against
		Match	Season	Match	Season
Kick-in	D50	0	2.4	6	2.2
Centre Bounce	Centre	7	11.8	13	7.5
Stoppage (Other)	D50	0	0.6	0	2.1
Stoppage (Other)	Centre	0	3.0	0	1.3
Stoppage (Other)	Wing	13	13.1	7	6.9
Stoppage (Other)	F50	1	7.5	1	10.8
Turnover	D50	13	11.3	13	6.3
Turnover	Centre	6	7.7	6	6.4
Turnover	Wing	16	27.1	14	21.8
Turnover	F50	0	6.7	0	8.1

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season
D50	13	14.3	19	10.7
Centre	13	22.4	19	15.2
Wing	29	40.3	21	28.7
F50	1	14.1	1	19.0

Points from defensive half

For		Against
Match	Season	Match	Season
33	34.6	38	24.7

Shots at goal

Team	Shots	G	B	T	Acc.
Set Position
Melbourne	10	4	5	29	40.0
Carlton	11	7	2	44	63.6
General Play
Melbourne	9	4	2	26	44.4
Carlton	4	2	2	14	50.0

Centre Bounce Attendances

	CBAs	CBA %	2023 %	2022 %
Angus Brayshaw	16	76	34.1	16.0
Jack Viney	15	71	71.1	74.6
Max Gawn	15	71	60.4	65.5
Clayton Oliver	14	67	81.7	86.5
Christian Petracca	13	62	62.8	74.6
Brodie Grundy	6	29	54.4	83.7
Tom Sparrow	3	14	45.4	32.2
Kysaiah Pickett	2	10	11.7	1.3
James Jordon	0	0	27.6	0.2
Jacob van Rooyen	0	0	7.0
Trent Rivers	0	0	3.3	0.0
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0	2.4	3.5
James Harmes			26.7	14.6
Tom McDonald			5.4	0.0
Harrison Petty			0.7	0.0
Josh Schache			0.0	13.8

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

	Ruck Contests	RC %	2023 %	2022 %
Max Gawn	80	73	54.4	57.8
Brodie Grundy	26	24	47.7	77.4
Jacob van Rooyen	2	2	12.0
Christian Petracca	1	1	0.2	0.1
Joel Smith	0	0	0.1	0.0
Steven May	0	0	0.1	0.0
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0	0.1	0.0
Clayton Oliver	0	0	0.0	0.0
Tom McDonald			8.9	7.0
Josh Schache			6.7	13.4
Ben Brown			2.3	3.6
Harrison Petty			2.0	0.0

Hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.	To Adv. % (2023)	To Adv. % (2022)
Max Gawn	80	47	11	32.1	33.6
Brodie Grundy	26	11	2	30.4	30.2
Jacob van Rooyen	2	1	0	32.7
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0	0	0.0
Harrison Petty				25.0
Tom McDonald				25.0	33.3
Ben Brown				0.0	14.3
Josh Schache					33.3

Opposition hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.
Tom De Koning	45	15	1
Marc Pittonet	63	14	4
Patrick Cripps	1	0	0

Expected score (Champion Data)

57 - 55

[binman 41,542]

Wow. Just wow.

Those pressure numbers are crazy

 Amazing it ended up 50 50 time in forward half given the first quarter was 24-76.

The other interesting stat is scores from turnover - which is where we lost it (that and giving up those 2 quick goals early in the first - oh and a goal umpire seeing something that didn't happen).

At the g they roll thru stats on the scoreboard.

At one point in the third q they put up the blues score from turnover and it was 33 from 41 points. 

Nuts.

A function of their incredible pressure - but also our poor foot skills.

But they ended the game on 33 points from turnover, meaning we didn't concede any more points from turnover for the rest of the game.

That's impressive.

The numbers back up what the eyes showed in terms of pressure and intensity- but also that we were the slightly stronger team after the first quarter. 

By the by, that was the most tackles laid in a game this year.

Expected score factors in umpiring error obviously.

Edited August 13, 2023 by binman

[Adam The God 28,797]

Losing ground ball and intercept, not good. Unless you butcher it, you win if you win ground ball and intercept.

[Adam The God 28,797]

RE their disposal efficiency over ours. 72% to 66% their way. IMV, that was a function of uncontested possessions, which went their way by +33. 

And I reckon their DE went down as the game wore on and we prevented the avalanche of uncontested possessions that we allowed in the first half.

[old55 22,531]

I expected and think we should have rucked Grundy more and played Max forward more. 24% of ruck contests and 29% of CBAs is very low.  He played 60% gametime, if we take the 24% ruck contests to indicate gametime in the ruck that means he played 36% gametime forward (60% of his gametime), but that's even a big underestimation because a lot of those ruck contests would have been when he was forward.  The message from the FD was "we want to play Grundy a bit more forward" but we played him predominantly forward.

Max contested 73% or ruck duels vs Carlton.  Last week vs North he contested 62% with JVR 38%.

It just doesn't make sense to use Grundy so little in the ruck.

[binman 41,542]

11 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

RE their disposal efficiency over ours. 72% to 66% their way. IMV, that was a function of uncontested possessions, which went their way by +33. 

And I reckon their DE went down as the game wore on and we prevented the avalanche of uncontested possessions that we allowed in the first half.

Yep.

The uncontested possession differential was massive after the first quarter - it's another stat that caught my attention at the game. 

It stayed about the same for the rest of the match, meaning we either stopped them chipping it around or they stopped using that strategy (which seems less likely)

[Adam The God 28,797]

9 minutes ago, binman said:

Yep.

The uncontested possession differential was massive after the first quarter - it's another stat that caught my attention at the game. 

It stayed about the same for the rest of the match, meaning we either stopped them chipping it around or they stopped using that strategy (which seems less likely)

I think we'll find it was mostly a function of handball receives in D50 for Carlton. The chip to the pockets and then handball receive. The Daicos game. And staggeringly, we allowed it for an entire half. Didn't even adjust at quarter time. 

Kozzy then moved deeper in the third and started to track those runs from kick ins. It made Carlton kick to contests where we were set up.

Edited August 13, 2023 by Binmans PA

[Demon Dynasty 17,001]

Round 22, 2023 MCG - Blues vs Demons

Pretty decent return for Clarry.  Only 10% off his season average rating.

Gus topping the ratings.

Viney would have been up with his peers had he not had a massive game high 13 turnovers.

Forward efficiency dropping away with the Petty effect and pressure?  The Blues not that much better aside from accuracy at goal with a significant conversion advantage.

The team rating a massive 19% off the season average is a big worry, even if against VG opposition.  The Top 6 this week holding the line nicely though, along with Joel Smith.  Salem surprisingly rating better than my own impressions of what i saw on the night.

The rest dropped away with many apparently stepping in a steaming pile of Blue doggy doo.

Demons

Scoring Efficiency
Disposals Per Goal	44.38
% In50s Goal	16.70
Conversion %	50.00

Blues Scoring Efficiency
Disposals Per Goal	42.89
% In50s Goal	17.00
Conversion %	60.00

Player	Rating	Rank	Season Rating to Prior Rnd	% Change vs Season Rating
A Brayshaw	5.825	1	3.853	51.18
C Oliver	4.725	2	5.285	-10.60
C Petracca	4.550	3	4.773	-4.67
T Rivers	4.475	4	3.703	20.85
Jake Lever	3.675	5	3.049	20.53
L Hunter	3.550	6	3.080	15.26
S May	3.450	7	3.188	8.22
C Salem	3.375	8	3.048	10.73
Ed Langdon	3.250	9	3.149	3.21
Jack Viney	2.100	10	3.707	-43.35
Max Gawn	2.025	11	3.555	-43.04
Joel Smith	1.950	12	2.000	-2.50
J McVee	1.900	13	2.254	-15.71
K Chandler	1.750	14	2.388	-26.72
K Pickett	1.725	15	2.267	-23.91
A N-Bullen	1.700	16	2.494	-31.84
T Sparrow	1.625	17	2.903	-44.02
J Jordon < 46%	1.350	18	3.452	-60.89
J V Rooyen	1.250	19	2.239	-44.17
J Bowey	1.100	20	2.945	-62.65
B Grundy	1.050	21	3.159	-66.76
J Melksham	0.750	22	1.532	-51.04
M Hibberd > 36%	0.600	23	2.649	-77.35
Team Rating	57.15		70.84	-19.33
Top 6	26.80		26.39	1.55
Bottom 6	7.13		9.38	-24.04

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[DeeZone 8,817]

Thanks DD our top 7 played out of their skins, shame about JV his efforts were enormous at winning the hardball and the turnovers resulted from the extreme pressure that the blues exerted on us. Our bottom 6 we’re sadly just that really poor.!! Trent Rivers really stood up again for us and welcome back Clarry.!!!

Edited August 13, 2023 by DeeZone

[Demon Dynasty 17,001]

Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 22, 2023 vs H&A Season 2022

Player	2023 Rating	2023 Rank	2022 Rating	% Change vs 2022	2022 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2022
C Oliver	5.234	1	5.320	-1.62	1	0
C Petracca	4.762	2	4.456	6.87	2	0
A Brayshaw	3.946	3	3.839	2.79	5	2
T Rivers <	3.740	4	2.423	54.35	18	14
Jack Viney	3.626	5	3.971	-8.69	3	-2
Max Gawn	3.465	6	3.643	-4.89	8	2
J Jordon > <	3.431	7	3.164	8.44	9	2
Steven May	3.201	8	3.971	-19.39	3	-5
Ed Langdon	3.154	9	3.109	1.45	11	2
L Hunter	3.104	10	-	-	-	-
Jake Lever	3.080	11	2.703	13.95	14	3
C Salem	3.075	12	3.363	-8.56	7	-5
B Grundy	3.035	13	-	-	-	-
Jake Bowey <	2.849	14	2.856	-0.25	13	-1
T Sparrow	2.836	15	2.665	6.42	16	1
A Tomlinson <	2.803	16	2.079	34.82	22	6
H Petty <	2.718	17	2.392	13.63	19	2
J Harmes >	2.670	18	3.082	-13.37	12	-6
M Hibberd > <	2.610	19	2.613	-0.11	17	-2
A N-Bullen	2.456	20	2.688	-8.63	15	-5
K Chandler <	2.354	21	-	-	-	-
K Pickett	2.238	22	2.118	5.67	21	-1
Judd McVee	2.237	23	-	-	-	-
B Fritsch <	2.230	24	1.936	15.19	27	3
J V Rooyen	2.181	25	-	-	-	-
T McDonald	2.054	26	1.967	4.42	26	0
Joel Smith >	1.993	27	2.239	-10.99	20	-7
Ben Brown <	1.941	28	1.762	10.16	29	1
C Spargo > <	1.886	29	1.981	-4.80	24	-5
J Melksham >	1.444	30	1.947	-25.83	25	-5
T Woewodin	1.406	31	-	-	-	-
J Schache *	1.375	32	-	-	-	-
B Laurie > < *	1.300	33	-	-	-	-
D Turner < *	1.075	34	-	-	-	-
Team Rating	70.39		69.48	1.31

* Played less than two full matches (in total)

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[Kent 2,808]

Tow stas stand out to me

Contested marks inside 50 and tackles inside 50

CM  7   10    -3

Tin 50  8  21  -13

we didnt work hard or smart enough