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Melbourne v North Melbourne (Round 21, 2023)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20232107

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat For Against Diff
Disposal Efficiency 72.0 75.6 -3.5
Kicking Efficiency 61.5 65.6 -4.1
Metres Gained 6223 5789 +434
Inside 50s 69 45 +24
Shots At Goal 29 22 +7
Shots Per Inside 50 42.0 48.9 -6.9
Contested Possessions 148 118 +30
Ground Ball Gets 98 78 +20
Intercepts 74 68 +6
Intercept Marks 16 20 -4
Centre Clearances 14 11 +3
Stoppage Clearances 26 29 -3
Contested Marks 8 7 +1
Marks Inside 50 17 5 +12
Hitouts 37 47 -10
Hitouts To Advantage 19 19 +0
Tackles 54 64 -10
Tackles Inside 50 12 10 +2
Def One On One Loss % 6.7 21.4 -14.8

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter For Against
1 174 203
2 175 163
3 160 184
4 189 182
Match 175 182

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player Pressure
Acts
Pressure
Points
Season
Average*
Tom Sparrow 29 55 42.7
James Harmes 24 50 37.6
Alex Neal-Bullen 20 44 46.3
Jack Viney 20 38 53.6
Jake Bowey 15 38 22.5
Angus Brayshaw 19 36 33.2
Lachie Hunter 16 34 23.1
Christian Petracca 16 33 47.5
James Jordon 16 30 24.2
Christian Salem 13 29 28.7
Jacob van Rooyen 12 29 22.6
Joel Smith 9 24 17.3
Trent Rivers 10 23 23.5
Kysaiah Pickett 12 22 41.2
Kade Chandler 10 22 30.7
Jake Melksham 7 22 14.3
Max Gawn 10 20 22.2
Harrison Petty 11 19 19.7
Ed Langdon 12 17 27.6
Jake Lever 9 17 15.7
Judd McVee 9 13 18.2
Steven May 4 10 14.4
Michael Hibberd 2 6 11.6

* Pressure points for rounds 4 and 6 have not been able to be sourced from the Herald Sun. Pressure points for these matches have been estimated from the number of pressure acts for each player.

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter For Against
1 54% 46%
2 49% 51%
3 77% 23%
4 67% 33%
Match 63% 37%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Score sources highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Category For Against Diff
G B T G B T
Kick-in 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0
Centre Bounce 3 2 20 1 2 8 +12
Stoppage (Other) 5 4 34 1 3 9 +25
Turnover 7 6 48 8 6 54 -6
Category For Against
Match Season Match Season
Kick-in 0 2.5 0 2.0
Centre Bounce 20 12.0 8 7.2
Stoppage (Other) 34 24.7 9 21.8
Turnover 48 53.7 54 43.1

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective. Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by North Melbourne.

Category Region For Against
Match Season Match Season
Kick-in D50 0 2.5 0 2.0
Centre Bounce Centre 20 12.0 8 7.2
Stoppage (Other) D50 0 0.6 0 2.2
Stoppage (Other) Centre 6 3.1 0 1.4
Stoppage (Other) Wing 25 13.2 6 6.9
Stoppage (Other) F50 3 7.8 3 11.3
Turnover D50 12 11.2 6 6.0
Turnover Centre 8 7.8 2 6.4
Turnover Wing 22 27.7 26 22.1
Turnover F50 6 7.0 20 8.6
Region For Against
Match Season Match Season
D50 12 14.3 6 10.2
Centre 34 22.9 10 15.1
Wing 47 40.9 32 29.0
F50 9 14.8 23 19.9

Points from defensive half

For Against
Match Season Match Season
33 34.7 19 24.1

Shots at goal

Team Shots G B T Acc.
General Play
Melbourne 11 6 3 39 54.5
North Melbourne 14 4 8 32 28.6
Set Position
Melbourne 18 9 5 59 50.0
North Melbourne 8 6 2 38 75.0

Centre Bounce Attendances

  CBAs CBA % 2023 % 2022 %
Max Gawn 22 79 59.9 65.5
Jack Viney 19 68 71.1 74.6
Christian Petracca 17 61 62.8 74.6
Angus Brayshaw 15 54 32.5 16.0
James Jordon 12 43 28.9 0.2
Tom Sparrow 11 39 46.7 32.2
James Harmes 7 25 26.7 14.6
Jacob van Rooyen 6 21 7.3  
Kysaiah Pickett 3 11 11.8 1.3
Trent Rivers 0 0 3.4 0.0
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0 2.5 3.5
Harrison Petty 0 0 0.7 0.0
Clayton Oliver     82.8 86.5
Brodie Grundy     55.7 83.7
Tom McDonald     5.4 0.0
Josh Schache     0.0 13.8

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

  Ruck
Contests
RC % 2023 % 2022 %
Max Gawn 63 62 53.1 57.8
Jacob van Rooyen 38 38 12.7  
Harrison Petty 0 0 2.0 0.0
Joel Smith 0 0 0.1 0.0
Christian Petracca 0 0 0.1 0.1
Steven May 0 0 0.1 0.0
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0 0.1 0.0
Brodie Grundy     49.5 77.4
Tom McDonald     8.9 7.0
Josh Schache     6.7 13.4
Ben Brown     2.3 3.6
Clayton Oliver     0.0 0.0

Hitouts

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To
Adv.
To Adv. %
(2023)
To Adv. %
(2022)
Max Gawn 63 30 15 33.1 33.6
Jacob van Rooyen 38 7 4 33.3  
Harrison Petty 0 0 0 25.0  
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0 0 0.0  
Brodie Grundy       30.8 30.2
Tom McDonald       25.0 33.3
Ben Brown       0.0 14.3
Josh Schache         33.3

Opposition hitouts

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To
Adv.
Todd Goldstein 53 24 10
Tristan Xerri 44 21 8
Nick Larkey 4 2 1

 

Expected Scores (Champion Data)

93 - 75

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Round 21, 2023 Blundstone Arena - Kangaroos vs Demons

Didn't watch the match just the mini Kayo version.  Listened to the radio broadcast but doesn't reveal all that much.

Team rating on par with the season average.  The bottom 6 well ahead so looks like we batted pretty deep on the day.

So what's with Hunter's result?  A massive rating for anyone let alone a winger and over 100% up on his average season rating!  So was that how it appeared on the day, did he have a big impact?

In summary...

26 effectives (the most on the day alongside Ziebell) @ 79%, 5 one percenters, 5 clearances, 2 rebounds, 5 inside 50s, 3 tackles, 9 score involvements, 6 intercepts, 339 meters gained and a reasonable 4 turnovers.

Speaking of Ziebell, it felt like he was everywhere on the day in that first half.  Intercepting everything and disrupting so many of our forays forward.  Even 10 minutes in i was wondering when we were going to put a cooler on him but he just kept repelling at will it seemed.  Did anyone notice a change up from the box here in an attempt to lesson his impact?

Tracc also had a big influence on the game it would seem?  Gus, Jordan, ANB and Bowey rating well.  JVR seemingly a very good game up 47% on his season rating!??

Demons

Scoring Efficiency  
Disposals Per Goal  26.93
% In50s Goal 21.70
Conversion %

53.60

Tigers

Scoring Efficiency

 
Disposals Per Goal  35.20
% In50s Goal 22.70
Conversion %

47.60

Player Rating Rank Season Rating to Prior Rnd % Change vs Season Rating
L Hunter 6.050 1 2.915 107.55
C Petracca 5.900 2 4.713 25.19
A Brayshaw 4.900 3 3.797 29.05
J Jordon 4.150 4 3.383 22.67
Jack Viney 3.700 5 3.707 -0.19
T Rivers 3.675 6 3.705 -0.81
J Bowey 3.600 7 2.907 23.84
Max Gawn  3.250 8 3.575 -9.09
C Salem 3.225 9 3.030 6.44
J V Rooyen 3.200 10 2.175 47.13
S May 3.000 11 3.199 -6.22
Jake Lever 2.975 12 3.053 -2.55
A N-Bullen 2.800 13 2.478 12.99
T Sparrow 2.700 14 2.915 -7.38
Ed Langdon  2.600 15 3.179 -18.21
Joel Smith 2.550 16 1.892 34.78
J McVee 2.350 17 2.249 4.49
K Pickett 2.300 18 2.265 1.55
K Chandler 2.200 19 2.400 -8.33
J Harmes 2.100 20 2.772 -24.24
J Melksham 1.725 21 1.504 14.69
H Petty < 55% 1.625 22 2.707 -39.97
M Hibberd > 30% 1.300 23 2.589 -49.79
Team Rating 70.58   70.54 0.05
Top 6 28.38   26.29 7.93
Bottom 6 12.30   9.23 33.26

< Subbed out / TOG %

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Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

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Interesting article on ESPN on an NBA style +/- differential for when players are on the ground vs not / not playing:

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/38110620/afl-players-most-impact-their-team-looking-nba-style-plus-minus

McVee the best for the Dees and only one in the top 20 with +21.61 differential, and surprisingly our opponents this week, Blues, have 3 of the worst 5: #2 Lewis Young with -40.68 (hasn't played recently, spot taken by Kemp who is 4th best with +33.64), #3 J.Motlop with -40.23, #5 Cripps with -33.07. No Dees players in the worst 20!

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1 hour ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Round 21, 2023 Blundstone Arena - Kangaroos vs Demons

Didn't watch the match just the mini Kayo version.  Listened to the radio broadcast but doesn't reveal all that much.

Team rating on par with the season average.  The bottom 6 well ahead so looks like we batted pretty deep on the day.

So what's with Hunter's result?  A massive rating for anyone let alone a winger and over 100% up on his average season rating!  So was that how it appeared on the day, did he have a big impact?

In summary...

26 effectives (the most on the day alongside Ziebell) @ 79%, 5 one percenters, 5 clearances, 2 rebounds, 5 inside 50s, 3 tackles, 9 score involvements, 6 intercepts, 339 meters gained and a reasonable 4 turnovers.

Speaking of Ziebell, it felt like he was everywhere on the day in that first half.  Intercepting everything and disrupting so many of our forays forward.  Even 10 minutes in i was wondering when we were going to put a cooler on him but he just kept repelling at will it seemed.  Did anyone notice a change up from the box here in an attempt to lesson his impact?

Tracc also had a big influence on the game it would seem?  Gus, Jordan, ANB and Bowey rating well.  JVR seemingly a very good game up 47% on his season rating!??

Demons

Scoring Efficiency  
Disposals Per Goal  26.93
% In50s Goal 21.70
Conversion %

53.60

Tigers

Scoring Efficiency

 
Disposals Per Goal  35.20
% In50s Goal 22.70
Conversion %

47.60

Player Rating Rank Season Rating to Prior Rnd % Change vs Season Rating
L Hunter 6.050 1 2.915 107.55
C Petracca 5.900 2 4.713 25.19
A Brayshaw 4.900 3 3.797 29.05
J Jordon 4.150 4 3.383 22.67
Jack Viney 3.700 5 3.707 -0.19
T Rivers 3.675 6 3.705 -0.81
J Bowey 3.600 7 2.907 23.84
Max Gawn  3.250 8 3.575 -9.09
C Salem 3.225 9 3.030 6.44
J V Rooyen 3.200 10 2.175 47.13
S May 3.000 11 3.199 -6.22
Jake Lever 2.975 12 3.053 -2.55
A N-Bullen 2.800 13 2.478 12.99
T Sparrow 2.700 14 2.915 -7.38
Ed Langdon  2.600 15 3.179 -18.21
Joel Smith 2.550 16 1.892 34.78
J McVee 2.350 17 2.249 4.49
K Pickett 2.300 18 2.265 1.55
K Chandler 2.200 19 2.400 -8.33
J Harmes 2.100 20 2.772 -24.24
J Melksham 1.725 21 1.504 14.69
H Petty < 55% 1.625 22 2.707 -39.97
M Hibberd > 30% 1.300 23 2.589 -49.79
Team Rating 70.58   70.54 0.05
Top 6 28.38   26.29 7.93
Bottom 6 12.30   9.23 33.26

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Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Great stuff DD, a bit more context on Hunter from what I can see in his stats (similar to you, still need to watch the replay from Q2 as I was lucky enough to only be able catch Q1😡): 15 contested possessions (#2 for Dees, behind Trac on 16), 5 clearances (#4 for Dees, behind Viney on 10 and Trac/Gus on 6), 6 intercepts (#2 for Dees, behind Lever on 7), 10 ground ball gets (#2 for Dees, behind Trac on 12), 9 score involvements (#3 for Dees, behind Trac on 12 and JVR on 10) and 3 score launches (equal #1 for Dees, with Trac and Gawn). From this, it looks like he contributed strongly all over the ground! 

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33 minutes ago, WheeloRatings said:

No I don't believe that information is publicly available, unfortunately. Telstra own that data but they don't make it readily accessible.

Thanks, I think it used to be in the Telstra Tracker

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Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 21, 2023 vs H&A Season 2022

Very good signs with the majority of player ratings either near or in front of their 2022 ratings now bar May, Harmes & Melk.

Not highlighting anyone within approx 10% as this can easily change over a few matches should they happen to out-perform their average rating.  Some might also be playing a diff role vs 2022 so that needs to be taken into account.

All eyes on Clarry's return!  Fingers crossed.

Player 2023 Rating 2023 Rank 2022 Rating % Change vs 2022 2022 Rank Change in Rank vs 2022
C Oliver 5.285 1 5.320 -0.66 1 0
C Petracca 4.773 2 4.456 7.11 2 0
A Brayshaw 3.853 3 3.839 0.36 5 2
Jack Viney 3.707 4 3.971 -6.65 3 -1
T Rivers < 3.703 5 2.423 52.83 18 13
Max Gawn 3.555 6 3.643 -2.42 8 2
J Jordon > < 3.452 7 3.164 9.10 9 2
Steven May 3.188 8 3.971 -19.72 3 -5
B Grundy 3.159 9 - - - -
Ed Langdon 3.149 10 3.109 1.29 11 1
L Hunter 3.080 11 - - - -
Jake Lever 3.049 12 2.703 12.80 14 2
C Salem 3.048 13 3.363 -9.37 7 -6
Jake Bowey < 2.945 14 2.856 3.12 13 -1
T Sparrow 2.903 15 2.665 8.93 16 1
A Tomlinson < 2.803 16 2.079 34.82 22 6
H Petty < 2.718 17 2.392 13.63 19 2
J Harmes > 2.670 18 3.082 -13.37 12 -6
M Hibberd > < 2.649 19 2.613 1.38 17 -2
A N-Bullen 2.494 20 2.688 -7.22 15 -5
K Chandler < 2.388 21 - - - -
K Pickett 2.267 22 2.118 7.03 21 -1
Judd McVee 2.254 23 - - - -
J V Rooyen 2.239 24 - - - -
B Fritsch < 2.230 25 1.936 15.19 27 2
T McDonald 2.054 26 1.967 4.42 26 0
Joel Smith > 2.000 27 2.239 -10.67 20 -7
Ben Brown < 1.941 28 1.762 10.16 29 1
C Spargo > < 1.886 29 1.981 -4.80 24 -5
J Melksham > 1.532 30 1.947 -21.31 25 -5
T Woewodin 1.406 31 - - - -
J Schache * 1.375 32 - - - -
B Laurie > < * 1.300 33 - - - -
D Turner < * 1.075 34 - - - -
Team Rating 70.84   69.48 1.95    

* Played less than two full matches (in total)

< Subbed out at least once or more (player rating could be comprised somewhat)

> Subbed in at least once or more (player rating could be comprised somewhat)

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

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Thanks DD I gave Hunter votes but did not realise just how good he was, same for JJ. Viney, Brayshaw and Tracc stood out and it’s always positive when the bottom 6 perform to a higher level, spots are hard to come by and we are only 3 weeks before finals. To bad Casey missed another game certainly doesn’t help our preparation.!!!

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On 8/9/2023 at 7:05 AM, Kent said:

Salem is slipping once again 

Is he carrying an injury? Harmes also descending

Might be the effect of missing a full pre-season starting to impact Kent. 

Pure speculation but listening to many players who've had that interruption over the years, they all say that anytime their pre-season's effected it tends to result in a less than optimum performance during the year.

Not sure what's happened to Harmes.  No one door stops the payers much and even if that were to happen they're all so well trained to say nothing now.

The other one is May.  Might also be a pre-season issue.  Wasn't there some sort of calf issue early on that he was recovering from?  Missed the first game or two?

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Slight delay with the stats update this week as I headed over to Melbourne to see the game.

Melbourne's pressure of 200 was our highest for the year and Carlton's 206 was the highest against Melbourne. The pressure in the last game between Melbourne and Carlton was 170-170. The pressure points from Oliver (106) and Viney (98) were well above any other Melbourne player this season with the previous high being Oliver's last match with 85 pressure points.

Melbourne v Carlton (Round 22, 2023)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20232201

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat For Against Diff
Disposal Efficiency 66.2 72.3 -6.1
Kicking Efficiency 59.6 64.8 -5.2
Metres Gained 5638 5758 -120
Inside 50s 48 53 -5
Shots At Goal 19 15 +4
Shots Per Inside 50 39.6 28.3 +11.3
Contested Possessions 156 148 +8
Ground Ball Gets 118 119 -1
Intercepts 77 80 -3
Intercept Marks 15 17 -2
Centre Clearances 8 11 -3
Stoppage Clearances 37 32 +5
Contested Marks 8 6 +2
Marks Inside 50 7 10 -3
Hitouts 59 29 +30
Hitouts To Advantage 13 5 +8
Tackles 88 87 +1
Tackles Inside 50 8 21 -13
Def One On One Loss % 21.4 9.1 +12.3

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter For Against
1 196 224
2 185 201
3 207 197
4 214 202
Match 200 206

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player Pressure
Acts
Pressure
Points
Season
Average*
Clayton Oliver 42 106 58.1
Jack Viney 40 98 55.8
Angus Brayshaw 30 70 35.0
Tom Sparrow 29 65 43.9
Christian Petracca 24 51 47.6
Kysaiah Pickett 22 50 41.7
Christian Salem 17 44 30.0
Alex Neal-Bullen 22 42 46.0
Ed Langdon 24 41 28.2
Lachie Hunter 15 35 23.7
Joel Smith 11 27 18.3
Kade Chandler 10 26 30.5
Jake Bowey 10 26 22.7
Jake Melksham 11 26 15.4
Jacob van Rooyen 12 24 22.6
Max Gawn 11 23 22.3
Judd McVee 9 21 18.3
Brodie Grundy 9 20 26.1
James Jordon 8 20 24.0
Trent Rivers 8 19 23.3
Jake Lever 5 8 15.3
Steven May 4 8 14.1
Michael Hibberd 0 0 10.5

* Pressure points for rounds 4 and 6 have not been able to be sourced from the Herald Sun. Pressure points for these matches have been estimated from the number of pressure acts for each player.

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter For Against
1 24% 76%
2 52% 48%
3 61% 39%
4 57% 43%
Match 50% 50%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Score sources highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Category For Against Diff
G B T G B T
Kick-in 0 0 0 1 0 6 -6
Centre Bounce 1 1 7 2 1 13 -6
Stoppage (Other) 2 2 14 1 2 8 +6
Turnover 5 5 35 5 3 33 +2
Category For Against
Match Season Match Season
Kick-in 0 2.4 6 2.2
Centre Bounce 7 11.8 13 7.5
Stoppage (Other) 14 24.2 8 21.1
Turnover 35 52.8 33 42.7

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective. Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Carlton.

Category Region For Against
Match Season Match Season
Kick-in D50 0 2.4 6 2.2
Centre Bounce Centre 7 11.8 13 7.5
Stoppage (Other) D50 0 0.6 0 2.1
Stoppage (Other) Centre 0 3.0 0 1.3
Stoppage (Other) Wing 13 13.1 7 6.9
Stoppage (Other) F50 1 7.5 1 10.8
Turnover D50 13 11.3 13 6.3
Turnover Centre 6 7.7 6 6.4
Turnover Wing 16 27.1 14 21.8
Turnover F50 0 6.7 0 8.1
Region For Against
Match Season Match Season
D50 13 14.3 19 10.7
Centre 13 22.4 19 15.2
Wing 29 40.3 21 28.7
F50 1 14.1 1 19.0

Points from defensive half

For Against
Match Season Match Season
33 34.6 38 24.7

Shots at goal

Team Shots G B T Acc.
Set Position
Melbourne 10 4 5 29 40.0
Carlton 11 7 2 44 63.6
General Play
Melbourne 9 4 2 26 44.4
Carlton 4 2 2 14 50.0

Centre Bounce Attendances

  CBAs CBA % 2023 % 2022 %
Angus Brayshaw 16 76 34.1 16.0
Jack Viney 15 71 71.1 74.6
Max Gawn 15 71 60.4 65.5
Clayton Oliver 14 67 81.7 86.5
Christian Petracca 13 62 62.8 74.6
Brodie Grundy 6 29 54.4 83.7
Tom Sparrow 3 14 45.4 32.2
Kysaiah Pickett 2 10 11.7 1.3
James Jordon 0 0 27.6 0.2
Jacob van Rooyen 0 0 7.0  
Trent Rivers 0 0 3.3 0.0
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0 2.4 3.5
James Harmes     26.7 14.6
Tom McDonald     5.4 0.0
Harrison Petty     0.7 0.0
Josh Schache     0.0 13.8

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

  Ruck
Contests
RC % 2023 % 2022 %
Max Gawn 80 73 54.4 57.8
Brodie Grundy 26 24 47.7 77.4
Jacob van Rooyen 2 2 12.0  
Christian Petracca 1 1 0.2 0.1
Joel Smith 0 0 0.1 0.0
Steven May 0 0 0.1 0.0
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0 0.1 0.0
Clayton Oliver 0 0 0.0 0.0
Tom McDonald     8.9 7.0
Josh Schache     6.7 13.4
Ben Brown     2.3 3.6
Harrison Petty     2.0 0.0

Hitouts

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To
Adv.
To Adv. %
(2023)
To Adv. %
(2022)
Max Gawn 80 47 11 32.1 33.6
Brodie Grundy 26 11 2 30.4 30.2
Jacob van Rooyen 2 1 0 32.7  
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0 0 0.0  
Harrison Petty       25.0  
Tom McDonald       25.0 33.3
Ben Brown       0.0 14.3
Josh Schache         33.3

Opposition hitouts

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To
Adv.
Tom De Koning 45 15 1
Marc Pittonet 63 14 4
Patrick Cripps 1 0 0

Expected score (Champion Data)

57 - 55

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Wow. Just wow.

Those pressure numbers are crazy

 Amazing it ended up 50 50 time in forward half given the first quarter was 24-76.

The other interesting stat is scores from turnover - which is where we lost it (that and giving up those 2 quick goals early in the first - oh and a goal umpire seeing something that didn't happen).

At the g they roll thru stats on the scoreboard.

At one point in the third q they put up the blues score from turnover and it was 33 from 41 points. 

Nuts.

A function of their incredible pressure - but also our poor foot skills.

But they ended the game on 33 points from turnover, meaning we didn't concede any more points from turnover for the rest of the game.

That's impressive.

The numbers back up what the eyes showed in terms of pressure and intensity- but also that we were the slightly stronger team after the first quarter. 

By the by, that was the most tackles laid in a game this year.

Expected score factors in umpiring error obviously.

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RE their disposal efficiency over ours. 72% to 66% their way. IMV, that was a function of uncontested possessions, which went their way by +33. 

And I reckon their DE went down as the game wore on and we prevented the avalanche of uncontested possessions that we allowed in the first half.

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I expected and think we should have rucked Grundy more and played Max forward more. 24% of ruck contests and 29% of CBAs is very low.  He played 60% gametime, if we take the 24% ruck contests to indicate gametime in the ruck that means he played 36% gametime forward (60% of his gametime), but that's even a big underestimation because a lot of those ruck contests would have been when he was forward.  The message from the FD was "we want to play Grundy a bit more forward" but we played him predominantly forward.

Max contested 73% or ruck duels vs Carlton.  Last week vs North he contested 62% with JVR 38%.

It just doesn't make sense to use Grundy so little in the ruck.

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11 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

RE their disposal efficiency over ours. 72% to 66% their way. IMV, that was a function of uncontested possessions, which went their way by +33. 

And I reckon their DE went down as the game wore on and we prevented the avalanche of uncontested possessions that we allowed in the first half.

Yep.

The uncontested possession differential was massive after the first quarter - it's another stat that caught my attention at the game. 

It stayed about the same for the rest of the match, meaning we either stopped them chipping it around or they stopped using that strategy (which seems less likely)

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9 minutes ago, binman said:

Yep.

The uncontested possession differential was massive after the first quarter - it's another stat that caught my attention at the game. 

It stayed about the same for the rest of the match, meaning we either stopped them chipping it around or they stopped using that strategy (which seems less likely)

I think we'll find it was mostly a function of handball receives in D50 for Carlton. The chip to the pockets and then handball receive. The Daicos game. And staggeringly, we allowed it for an entire half. Didn't even adjust at quarter time. 

Kozzy then moved deeper in the third and started to track those runs from kick ins. It made Carlton kick to contests where we were set up.

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Round 22, 2023 MCG - Blues vs Demons

Pretty decent return for Clarry.  Only 10% off his season average rating.

Gus topping the ratings.

Viney would have been up with his peers had he not had a massive game high 13 turnovers.

Forward efficiency dropping away with the Petty effect and pressure?  The Blues not that much better aside from accuracy at goal with a significant conversion advantage.

The team rating a massive 19% off the season average is a big worry, even if against VG opposition.  The Top 6 this week holding the line nicely though, along with Joel Smith.  Salem surprisingly rating better than my own impressions of what i saw on the night.

The rest dropped away with many apparently stepping in a steaming pile of Blue doggy doo.

Demons

Scoring Efficiency  
Disposals Per Goal  44.38
% In50s Goal 16.70
Conversion %

50.00

Blues

Scoring Efficiency

 
Disposals Per Goal  42.89
% In50s Goal 17.00
Conversion %

60.00

Player Rating Rank Season Rating to Prior Rnd % Change vs Season Rating
A Brayshaw 5.825 1 3.853 51.18
C Oliver 4.725 2 5.285 -10.60
C Petracca 4.550 3 4.773 -4.67
T Rivers 4.475 4 3.703 20.85
Jake Lever 3.675 5 3.049 20.53
L Hunter 3.550 6 3.080 15.26
S May 3.450 7 3.188 8.22
C Salem 3.375 8 3.048 10.73
Ed Langdon 3.250 9 3.149 3.21
Jack Viney  2.100 10 3.707 -43.35
Max Gawn 2.025 11 3.555 -43.04
Joel Smith 1.950 12 2.000 -2.50
J McVee 1.900 13 2.254 -15.71
K Chandler 1.750 14 2.388 -26.72
K Pickett 1.725 15 2.267 -23.91
A N-Bullen 1.700 16 2.494 -31.84
T Sparrow 1.625 17 2.903 -44.02
J Jordon < 46% 1.350 18 3.452 -60.89
J V Rooyen 1.250 19 2.239 -44.17
J Bowey 1.100 20 2.945 -62.65
B Grundy 1.050 21 3.159 -66.76
J Melksham 0.750 22 1.532 -51.04
M Hibberd > 36% 0.600 23 2.649 -77.35
Team Rating 57.15   70.84 -19.33
Top 6 26.80   26.39 1.55
Bottom 6 7.13   9.38 -24.04

< Subbed out / TOG %

> Subbed in / TOG %

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

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Thanks DD our top 7 played out of their skins, shame about JV his efforts were enormous at winning the hardball and the turnovers resulted from the extreme pressure that the blues exerted on us. Our bottom 6 we’re sadly just that really poor.!! Trent Rivers really stood up again for us and welcome back Clarry.!!!

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Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 22, 2023 vs H&A Season 2022

Player 2023 Rating 2023 Rank 2022 Rating % Change vs 2022 2022 Rank Change in Rank vs 2022
C Oliver 5.234 1 5.320 -1.62 1 0
C Petracca 4.762 2 4.456 6.87 2 0
A Brayshaw 3.946 3 3.839 2.79 5 2
T Rivers < 3.740 4 2.423 54.35 18 14
Jack Viney 3.626 5 3.971 -8.69 3 -2
Max Gawn 3.465 6 3.643 -4.89 8 2
J Jordon > < 3.431 7 3.164 8.44 9 2
Steven May 3.201 8 3.971 -19.39 3 -5
Ed Langdon 3.154 9 3.109 1.45 11 2
L Hunter 3.104 10 - - - -
Jake Lever 3.080 11 2.703 13.95 14 3
C Salem 3.075 12 3.363 -8.56 7 -5
B Grundy 3.035 13 - - - -
Jake Bowey < 2.849 14 2.856 -0.25 13 -1
T Sparrow 2.836 15 2.665 6.42 16 1
A Tomlinson < 2.803 16 2.079 34.82 22 6
H Petty < 2.718 17 2.392 13.63 19 2
J Harmes > 2.670 18 3.082 -13.37 12 -6
M Hibberd > < 2.610 19 2.613 -0.11 17 -2
A N-Bullen 2.456 20 2.688 -8.63 15 -5
K Chandler < 2.354 21 - - - -
K Pickett 2.238 22 2.118 5.67 21 -1
Judd McVee 2.237 23 - - - -
B Fritsch < 2.230 24 1.936 15.19 27 3
J V Rooyen 2.181 25 - - - -
T McDonald 2.054 26 1.967 4.42 26 0
Joel Smith > 1.993 27 2.239 -10.99 20 -7
Ben Brown < 1.941 28 1.762 10.16 29 1
C Spargo > < 1.886 29 1.981 -4.80 24 -5
J Melksham > 1.444 30 1.947 -25.83 25 -5
T Woewodin 1.406 31 - - - -
J Schache * 1.375 32 - - - -
B Laurie > < * 1.300 33 - - - -
D Turner < * 1.075 34 - - - -
Team Rating 70.39   69.48 1.31    

* Played less than two full matches (in total)

< Subbed out at least once or more (player rating could be comprised somewhat)

> Subbed in at least once or more (player rating could be comprised somewhat)

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

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