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On 8/7/2023 at 1:07 PM, old55 said:

Harmes second in pressure, I thought he was good despite some turnovers.

JVR 38% of ruck contests - that's very high.

what was Grundy doing?

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19 minutes ago, layzie said:

33 points conceded from turnover, I know it's wet but that makes it hard to win. 

Agree.

But we scored 35 points from turnover. 

Two almost identical game plans.

Stats almost identical. 

Brilliant game of footy.

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16 minutes ago, binman said:

Agree.

But we scored 35 points from turnover. 

Two almost identical game plans.

Stats almost identical. 

Brilliant game of footy.

The most finals like game we’ve played in since an actual final. It was next level in terms of pressure. 

Where we lost the game was the first quarter where we really had not prepared for Carlton’s pressure. We absorbed it poorly and combined with a wet ground and ball we just butchered our ball use. Comical errors and panicked kicks. Thank god our defense is so good at absorbing repeat entries. 

We also lost the game in the first 10 minutes of the last where we came out napping. Trac twice let Cripps walk out the front of the clearance, and twice it ended in a goal. 
It was a mistake to not let Clarry start in the middle in the beginning of the last quarter. Nor let Kosi through there to start the quarter. 

In a final you have to be switched on every minute of the game. We weren’t. When we switched on we were the better side IMO. We scored with more ease, we moved it better and we won the clearances and the contested possessions. We just needed to play at that level for longer. And to have one actual reliable forward in the mix. Fritta plays and I reckon we win. 

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One stat that caught my eye from the Blues games was the Contested Defensive One on Ones. As @WheeloRatingsnoted, we lost 21.4% of these, but digging deeper we actually had 28 (lost 6) of these CDOoOs which is a season high! We had 27 against Port in Rd 10 (lost 2) and 26 (lost 7) against Bris in Rd 18 with the next highest being 20 (lost 4) against Gee in Rd 15. Interestingly, the only game where we had to defend more CDOoOs since 2016 was Rd 22, 2022 against...Carlton!

A big driver of this is losing the I50 battle: -5 vs Blues (after being down 20 to 2, 20 mins into Q1), -5 vs Lions, -1 vs Cats, -13 vs Power. Unuusal that we were +10 vs Blues in Rd 22, 2022 though.

Thank goodness for our defence when this happens. In 2023, we are 2nd best in terms of CDOoO loss %, only losing 19.7%, behind Lions on 19.1%, although they've had 69 less CDOoOs to defend. We've actually had the second highest CDOoOs to defend so far this year: 315 (avg of 15 per game) with only GWS recording more (345, 16.4 per game) and well above league avg of 264 (12.6 per game). There is a reasonable gap to 3rd with GWS on 21.4% CDOoO loss rate and Coll in 4th on 21.8%. With a league average loss rate of 24.6%, other contenders are: Blues at 25.1% (11th) and Power at 32.1% (worst).

For May to only lose 1 out of 12 on Sat night is remarkable (wet weather helped, but 11 spoils shows how good he was) and Jake Lever did well also, not losing any of his 3!

Player CDOoO CDL CDL%
Steven May 12 1 8.33%
Jake Lever 3 0 0.00%
Joel Smith 3 1 33.33%
Lachie Hunter 2 0 0.00%
Max Gawn 2 2 100.00%
Jake Bowey 2 2 100.00%
Judd McVee 1 0 0.00%
Christian Salem 1 0 0.00%
Jack Viney 1 0 0.00%
Michael Hibberd 1 0 0.00%

Stats courtesy of data provided by @Fryzigg on Twitter/X.

Apoloigies for lots of words, but the current size limit on posts doesn't allow my preferred data visualisations.

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The other thing on the @WheeloRatings stats that was surprising was the Blues scored more from their D50 than we usually concede (19 points versus 10 as our season average). Contrast this with the fact we only scored a single point from chains starting in our f50.

Our F50 tackles were down again (only 8 v season average of 12). Considering we had 88 tackles that is ridiculously poor. We really need to sort this out as we are short a quality marking tall, and need to compensate with ridiculous forward 50 pressure (like Richmond did in 2017).  If we don’t then we will get torched at some point in the finals (and at some point this week against the Hawks).  I am worried that Goody thinks setting a zone to defend inside 50s is the better option.

 

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I place a lot of weight in a teams ability to arrest momentum of its opponent piling on goals.

Seems to be pretty good alignment with the ladder as well...

Five-plus goal streaks conceded in 2023

23 - West Coast
16 - Hawthorn, North Melbourne
13 - Gold Coast
11 - Western Bulldogs
9 - Essendon
8 - Fremantle
7 - Adelaide, Richmond, St Kilda
6 - Greater Western Sydney
5 - Carlton, Collingwood, Port Adelaide, Sydney
4 - Brisbane, Geelong, Melbourne

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On 8/14/2023 at 10:34 AM, Jaded No More said:

The most finals like game we’ve played in since an actual final. It was next level in terms of pressure. 

Where we lost the game was the first quarter where we really had not prepared for Carlton’s pressure. We absorbed it poorly and combined with a wet ground and ball we just butchered our ball use. Comical errors and panicked kicks. Thank god our defense is so good at absorbing repeat entries. 

We definitely panicked on occasion with ball in hand and made poor decisions, but our structure and contest game absorbed their pressure beautifully. On actual score and expected score, given the repeat entries.

Does anyone know if under Goody, we've ever had an inside 50 differential as high as that first quarter? I'd suggest we haven't. So the Blues' contest game was awesome in that first quarter.

On 8/14/2023 at 10:34 AM, Jaded No More said:

We also lost the game in the first 10 minutes of the last where we came out napping. Trac twice let Cripps walk out the front of the clearance, and twice it ended in a goal. 
It was a mistake to not let Clarry start in the middle in the beginning of the last quarter. Nor let Kosi through there to start the quarter. 

In a final you have to be switched on every minute of the game. We weren’t. When we switched on we were the better side IMO. We scored with more ease, we moved it better and we won the clearances and the contested possessions. We just needed to play at that level for longer. And to have one actual reliable forward in the mix. Fritta plays and I reckon we win. 

It's interesting, because the two goals JVR missed, he usually kicks both, if not at least one of those. That's the game.

I think ultimately Carlton could be a more dangerous forward half team, and arguably more dangerous around the ball with their omissions, but I think our ceiling and scope for improvement on Round 22 is way higher.

In retrospect, it's still a game we should have won and let slip. That's 4 now, I'd suggest, we've let slip. Port, Freo, GWS and Carlton. We didn't play well enough for long enough against Geelong. Those losses will cost us the minor premiership. But as long as we sew up the top 4, it might be okay.

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2 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

In retrospect, it's still a game we should have won and let slip. That's 4 now, I'd suggest, we've let slip. Port, Freo, GWS and Carlton. We didn't play well enough for long enough against Geelong. Those losses will cost us the minor premiership. But as long as we sew up the top 4, it might be okay.

Yes but we won by 5 pts vs GC, 4pts vs Collingwood, 1 pt vs Brisbane and 4 pts vs Adelaide so it all cancels out in the end.

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On 8/15/2023 at 12:19 PM, Deelightful Dee said:

One stat that caught my eye from the Blues games was the Contested Defensive One on Ones. As @WheeloRatingsnoted, we lost 21.4% of these, but digging deeper we actually had 28 (lost 6) of these CDOoOs which is a season high! We had 27 against Port in Rd 10 (lost 2) and 26 (lost 7) against Bris in Rd 18 with the next highest being 20 (lost 4) against Gee in Rd 15. Interestingly, the only game where we had to defend more CDOoOs since 2016 was Rd 22, 2022 against...Carlton!

A big driver of this is losing the I50 battle: -5 vs Blues (after being down 20 to 2, 20 mins into Q1), -5 vs Lions, -1 vs Cats, -13 vs Power. Unuusal that we were +10 vs Blues in Rd 22, 2022 though.

Thank goodness for our defence when this happens. In 2023, we are 2nd best in terms of CDOoO loss %, only losing 19.7%, behind Lions on 19.1%, although they've had 69 less CDOoOs to defend. We've actually had the second highest CDOoOs to defend so far this year: 315 (avg of 15 per game) with only GWS recording more (345, 16.4 per game) and well above league avg of 264 (12.6 per game). There is a reasonable gap to 3rd with GWS on 21.4% CDOoO loss rate and Coll in 4th on 21.8%. With a league average loss rate of 24.6%, other contenders are: Blues at 25.1% (11th) and Power at 32.1% (worst).

For May to only lose 1 out of 12 on Sat night is remarkable (wet weather helped, but 11 spoils shows how good he was) and Jake Lever did well also, not losing any of his 3!

 

Player CDOoO CDL CDL%
Steven May 12 1 8.33%
Jake Lever 3 0 0.00%
Joel Smith 3 1 33.33%
Lachie Hunter 2 0 0.00%
Max Gawn 2 2 100.00%
Jake Bowey 2 2 100.00%
Judd McVee 1 0 0.00%
Christian Salem 1 0 0.00%
Jack Viney 1 0 0.00%
Michael Hibberd 1 0 0.00%

Stats courtesy of data provided by @Fryzigg on Twitter/X.

Apoloigies for lots of words, but the current size limit on posts doesn't allow my preferred data visualisations.

This is a bloody great post mate. Fast becoming one of my favourite posters. 🙌

I'd suggest sides are hyper aware of moving the ball quickly against us, so that they get 1v1s and don't allow our interceptors a chance to intercept, hence the 2nd highest CD1v1s.

It is exceptionally rare that we lose inside 50s though, so even if there is a clear correlation between higher CD1v1s and losing inside 50s, we know we're bound to have relatively high CD1v1s either way, simply because modern ball movement has evolved precisely to beat Melbourne Football Club's back 7-8.

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6 minutes ago, old55 said:

Yes but we won by 5 pts vs GC, 4pts vs Collingwood, 1 pt vs Brisbane and 4 pts vs Adelaide so it all cancels out in the end.

That's one way of looking at it certainly. But if we looked Collingwood's record and offset say half of their close wins against the rest of their close wins, they'd likely be out of the 8 altogether.

So it shows you that these small margins can potentially be hugely importantly. A home final, let's say, or even the idea of missing the top 4 or top 8 altogether.

And I know there's nothing we can do about it, but I think we will rue to some extent not getting over the line in at least half of those losses.

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On 8/16/2023 at 8:36 AM, Watson11 said:

The other thing on the @WheeloRatings stats that was surprising was the Blues scored more from their D50 than we usually concede (19 points versus 10 as our season average). Contrast this with the fact we only scored a single point from chains starting in our f50.

Our F50 tackles were down again (only 8 v season average of 12). Considering we had 88 tackles that is ridiculously poor. We really need to sort this out as we are short a quality marking tall, and need to compensate with ridiculous forward 50 pressure (like Richmond did in 2017).  If we don’t then we will get torched at some point in the finals (and at some point this week against the Hawks).  I am worried that Goody thinks setting a zone to defend inside 50s is the better option.

 

But on the inside 50 tackle count, we backed off for a half and allowed them to chip and handball receive from the kick ins. This was when Kozzy played higher up the ground.

He played deeper in the second half and was tasked with tracking that runner from the kick out. 

That explains our lack of forward 50 tackles.

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Turning attention to this week's game and the the Hawks are in strong form. In particular, they have the best inside 50 differential in the league and 2nd best intercept differential in the league over the last 5 weeks. Our intercept differential is the best over the season, but 4th worst over the last 5 weeks (ahead of Bombers, Blues and Suns). If we can win the territory battle and lift our intercept game, I think it will go a long way to getting the win.

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Melbourne v Hawthorn (Round 23, 2023)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20232306

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat For Against Diff
Disposal Efficiency 74.5 75.3 -0.8
Kicking Efficiency 70.2 70.5 -0.3
Metres Gained 5369 5045 +324
Inside 50s 61 38 +23
Shots At Goal 29 17 +12
Shots Per Inside 50 47.5 44.7 +2.8
Contested Possessions 116 124 -8
Ground Ball Gets 80 82 -2
Intercepts 69 63 +6
Intercept Marks 20 14 +6
Centre Clearances 11 13 -2
Stoppage Clearances 15 22 -7
Contested Marks 14 9 +5
Marks Inside 50 14 10 +4
Hitouts 26 34 -8
Hitouts To Advantage 5 9 -4
Tackles 55 42 +13
Tackles Inside 50 9 7 +2
Def One On One Loss % 28.6 42.9 -14.3

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter For Against
1 172 173
2 192 155
3 180 159
4 179 167
Match 180 163

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player Pressure
Acts
Pressure
Points
Season
Average*
Jack Viney 28 60 56.0
Tom Sparrow 23 52 44.3
Clayton Oliver 18 49 57.5
Kade Chandler 24 49 31.4
Kysaiah Pickett 22 48 42.0
Angus Brayshaw 13 32 34.9
Christian Salem 14 32 30.2
Christian Petracca 17 31 46.8
Lachie Hunter 14 31 24.1
Bailey Laurie 16 31 13.4
Jake Melksham 13 28 16.4
Steven May 10 26 14.7
Alex Neal-Bullen 13 22 44.9
Jake Bowey 9 22 22.7
Ed Langdon 11 20 27.9
Trent Rivers 9 19 23.1
Max Gawn 7 18 22.0
Joel Smith 8 18 18.3
Jake Lever 6 17 15.4
Adam Tomlinson 7 16 14.1
Jacob van Rooyen 8 13 22.1
Judd McVee 3 11 18.0
Josh Schache 3 5 13.0

* Pressure points for rounds 4 and 6 have not been able to be sourced from the Herald Sun. Pressure points for these matches have been estimated from the number of pressure acts for each player.

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter For Against
1 50% 50%
2 62% 38%
3 70% 30%
4 69% 31%
Match 63% 37%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Score sources highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Category For Against Diff
G B T G B T
Kick-in 1 0 6 1 0 6 +0
Centre Bounce 1 0 6 2 0 12 -6
Stoppage (Other) 2 5 17 3 1 19 -2
Turnover 9 4 58 3 5 23 +35
Category For Against
Match Season Match Season
Kick-in 6 2.5 6 2.4
Centre Bounce 6 11.5 12 7.7
Stoppage (Other) 17 23.9 19 21.0
Turnover 58 53.0 23 41.8

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective. Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Hawthorn.

Category Region For Against
Match Season Match Season
Kick-in D50 6 2.5 6 2.4
Centre Bounce Centre 6 11.5 12 7.7
Stoppage (Other) D50 0 0.6 0 2.0
Stoppage (Other) Centre 0 2.8 0 1.2
Stoppage (Other) Wing 2 12.6 6 6.9
Stoppage (Other) F50 15 7.8 13 10.9
Turnover D50 25 11.9 3 6.2
Turnover Centre 6 7.6 0 6.1
Turnover Wing 21 26.9 13 21.4
Turnover F50 6 6.6 7 8.1
Region For Against
Match Season Match Season
D50 31 15.0 9 10.6
Centre 12 22.0 12 15.1
Wing 23 39.5 19 28.2
F50 21 14.5 20 19.0

Points from defensive half

For Against
Match Season Match Season
33 34.5 22 24.6

Shots at goal

Team Shots G B T Acc.
General Play
Melbourne 12 7 4 46 58.3
Hawthorn 6 3 3 21 50.0
Set Position
Melbourne 17 6 4 40 35.3
Hawthorn 11 6 2 38 54.5

Centre Bounce Attendances

  CBAs CBA % 2023 % 2022 %
Max Gawn 23 88 61.8 65.5
Jack Viney 19 73 71.2 74.6
Clayton Oliver 16 62 80.1 86.5
Angus Brayshaw 16 62 35.3 16.0
Tom Sparrow 13 50 45.6 32.2
Christian Petracca 11 42 61.9 74.6
Kysaiah Pickett 3 12 11.7 1.3
Jacob van Rooyen 3 12 7.2  
Trent Rivers 0 0 3.2 0.0
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0 2.3 3.5
Josh Schache 0 0 0.0 13.8
Brodie Grundy     54.4 83.7
James Jordon     27.6 0.2
James Harmes     26.7 14.6
Tom McDonald     5.4 0.0
Harrison Petty     0.7 0.0

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

  Ruck
Contests
RC % 2023 % 2022 %
Max Gawn 52 71 55.1 57.8
Jacob van Rooyen 11 15 12.1  
Josh Schache 4 5 6.2 13.4
Joel Smith 2 3 0.3 0.0
Christian Petracca 2 3 0.3 0.1
Clayton Oliver 1 1 0.1 0.0
Tom Sparrow 1 1 0.1 0.0
Steven May 0 0 0.1 0.0
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0 0.1 0.0
Brodie Grundy     47.7 77.4
Tom McDonald     8.9 7.0
Ben Brown     2.3 3.6
Harrison Petty     2.0 0.0

Hitouts

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To
Adv.
To Adv. %
(2023)
To Adv. %
(2022)
Max Gawn 52 22 5 31.6 33.6
Jacob van Rooyen 11 3 0 31.0  
Josh Schache 4 1 0 0.0 33.3
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0 0 0.0  
Brodie Grundy       30.4 30.2
Harrison Petty       25.0  
Tom McDonald       25.0 33.3
Ben Brown       0.0 14.3

Opposition hitouts

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To
Adv.
Ned Reeves 55 26 7
Max Ramsden 11 5 2
Jacob Koschitzke 7 3 0

Expected scores (Champion Data)

91 - 54

 

Premiership metrics

Melbourne is currently ranked in the top 6 in all 19 of the "premiership metrics" and ranked number 1 in seven. A reminder that these are the metrics where at least nine of the last eleven premiers ranked in the top 6 in home and away matches of their premiership year.

Although not one of the 19 metrics as I don't have data pre-2021, "time in forward half" is another important stat and I have Melbourne ranked second this year to Port Adelaide. Interestingly, here are the best quarters (average across all matches) for time in forward half this year:

58.7% Melbourne Q4
56.1% Melbourne Q3

55.7% Port Adelaide Q3
55.5% Port Adelaide Q2

 

 

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5 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

@WheeloRatings, what’s our W/L record when losing both CPs and clearances this year?

My guess that may not have happened more that 2-3 times.

Probably lost them all and they are probably during our mid season fatigue phase, as we hardly ever lose cp full stop.

Symptom not cause. 

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On 8/7/2023 at 5:41 PM, WheeloRatings said:

You can access the top 5 players in a given match in the Tracker section of the AFL app, but I think that's all.

I found player heat maps are available per match in the AFL mobile app by clicking on the player name in the Player Stats section.

It also shows "% in defensive half" and "% in forward half" - I believe this is % possessions not % gametime.

It doesn't show kms covered AFAIK.

Some interesting information is available there.

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1 minute ago, layzie said:

That first quarter looks quite low pressure wise from both sides which is surprising. 

The highest pressure element is physical pressure - worth 3.75.

That is literally when a player touches another player - pushes, bump, tackles etc.

If every single act was a physical pressure act, the pressure score would 375.

But of course it never is otherwise it would be one long contest.

in the first, there was a lot of short kicks and switches. Less contests and period where the ball is in dispter so less chance for physical pressure acts.

The second we really liked to close them down more with frontal pressure and tackle more. Hence our pressure number jumped to 192.

We didn't get scoreboard seperation in that quarter, but we flexed and took the wind out of the hawks sail I reckon.

There was a 37 point differential in pressure in the second. Which is huge, and very unusual.

I suspect that is if not our highest diff, close to it in one quarter.

It's a good thing they had one less day and travel between games I reckon.

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16 minutes ago, old55 said:

I found player heat maps are available per match in the AFL mobile app by clicking on the player name in the Player Stats section.

It also shows "% in defensive half" and "% in forward half" - I believe this is % possessions not % gametime.

It doesn't show kms covered AFAIK.

Some interesting information is available there.

The heat maps are interesting. 

As is the kms run during games.

They also show the top 5 players accross a number of distance covered fields eg total, defence speed, Sprints etc.

But this is all only available during a game (I might start screen shotting them).

By the by old, a follow up to our discussion about spargo and the high half forward role (which is relevant to heat maps and ks covered), Laurie explicitly played that role yesterday.

I heard yze interviewed on abc right before the game started and he was asked about Laurie.

He said he had been playing well for 20 weeks and deserved the call up and that he had been brought into the team to play the 'high half forward role' (direct quote).

Suggests they are indeed looking for a second high half forward, Laurie was given the chance to make that role his (instead of spargo) and that there is no issue with doing so and also playing  Chandler, koz as small forwards.

The question for Laurie will be whether he covered the ground well enough, and the answer will be in their gps data that provides the telstra Tracker data 

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12 minutes ago, binman said:

The highest pressure element is physical pressure - worth 3.75.

That is literally when a player touches another player - pushes, bump, tackles etc.

If every single act was a physical pressure act, the pressure score would 375.

But of course it never is otherwise it would be one long contest.

in the first, there was a lot of short kicks and switches. Less contests and period where the ball is in dispter so less chance for physical pressure acts.

The second we really liked to close them down more with frontal pressure and tackle more. Hence our pressure number jumped to 192.

We didn't get scoreboard seperation in that quarter, but we flexed and took the wind out of the hawks sail I reckon.

There was a 37 point differential in pressure in the second. Which is huge, and very unusual.

I suspect that is if not our highest diff, close to it in one quarter.

It's a good thing they had one less day and travel between games I reckon.

That was going to be my next observation but I couldn't find the uncontested possessions for that quarter. Hawthorn seem to do a fair bit of the uncontested mark style which would have meant less opportunity for pressure stats.

Also, do you think after a game like last week it was likely we weren't going to come out all guns blazing with pressure? 

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7 minutes ago, binman said:

The heat maps are interesting. 

As is the kms run during games.

They also show the top 5 players accross a number of distance covered fields eg total, defence speed, Sprints etc.

But this is all only available during a game (I might start screen shotting them).

By the by old, a follow up to our discussion about spargo and the high half forward role (which is relevant to heat maps and ks covered), Laurie explicitly played that role yesterday.

I heard yze interviewed on abc right before the game started and he was asked about Laurie.

He said he had been playing well for 20 weeks and deserved the call up and that he had been brought into the team to play the 'high half forward role' (direct quote).

Suggests they are indeed looking for a second high half forward, Laurie was given the chance to make that role his (instead of spargo) and that there is no issue with doing so and also playing  Chandler, koz as small forwards.

The question for Laurie will be whether he covered the ground well enough, and the answer will be in their gps data that provides the telstra Tracker data 

The heat maps for all players for all matches are available on the AFL Mobile App.

I compared Spargo's and Chandler's heatmaps across the season and to my eye there is no significant difference. And Laurie's was not significantly different yesterday either.

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2 minutes ago, layzie said:

That was going to be my next observation but I couldn't find the uncontested possessions for that quarter. Hawthorn seem to do a fair bit of the uncontested mark style which would have meant less opportunity for pressure stats

Also, do you think after a game like last week it was likely we weren't going to come out all guns blazing with pressure? 

I thought they would try to actually - do what they did in the second and crack the hawks, then go into tempo control.

But they couldn’t quite bring it early doors- unsurprisingly given how brutal last weeks game was. The blues also struggled.

The brilliant thing about our run home is the roos and hawks game sere both lower pressure games that the preceding ones meaning we don't have the mutiple back to back high pressure, taxing games the blues and pies have had to push thru.

Even if the Swans game is full on pressure, which it might be but perhaps less than if they were still fighting for 8th and or we were fighting for a top 4 finish, we then have the pre final bye to freshen up.

So from the tough run of lions, creos, yigers hames we went roos (second half low pressure), blues (brutal) , hawks (relativy low pressure), swans (high pressure?) then bye.

If we play the pies they will be coming off the bye too, but geez they'll need it.

Hopefully the bombers will be stung into action and at least try and apply pressure. If so that's 5 or 6 very tough games in a row for the pies. Hard core.

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31 minutes ago, old55 said:

The heat maps for all players for all matches are available on the AFL Mobile App.

I compared Spargo's and Chandler's heatmaps across the season and to my eye there is no significant difference. And Laurie's was not significantly different yesterday either.

Ok, but you acknowledge that they are playing different roles though don't you?  

ie chandler is a small forward and spargo and laurie are playing the distinct high half forward role?

I mean as I noted, yze specifically said Laurie would be playing the 'high half forward role'.

And that is exactly the role he played. He wasn't a crumbing forward or part of the midfield rotation (the role he played at casey).

My understanding was you argued that spargo was surplus to requirements in that we didn't need another small or medium forward.

And that if he were to come in, it would be at chandlers expense - and Chandler was the better option (better kick, more disposals, goal kickers and arguably as fit).

That's to say it was an either or scenario and you would go with Chandler.

I argued Chandler and spargo were not competing for the same spot. And that both would be selected.

Well Laurie came in and played spargo's high half forward role.

And so as we just saw, there was/is room for another small forward (ANB, Spargo/Laurie, koz, chandler).

I was wrong on th player, but right on the role and number of small forwards that can be selected.

The question is does spargo win his role back from Laurie.

I thought Laurie was good yesterday, but as I suggested it's hard to know how well he went without the gps data.

I did wonder a few times how well he was getting to his defensive spots as they picked their way through us fairly easily at times and that is a least partly a function of all team defence being off and is a key job for the hhf (eg say a Laurie can't prevent a switch or a lad up option).

I hope, and expect, he'll get another go at the role against the swans.

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