Burgess reveals secret to Dees' incredible injury-free run

[Fritta and Turner 3,886]

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I may have missed it, but has anyone said what it was that Burgess said to Goodwin during that discussion on the boundary line during the Grand Final?

Official line is that he was just talking about rotations and that the boys were rested and ready to go (bang, bang, bang...bang)

[Sideshow Bob 2,165]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2021-adelaide-crows-fight-video-training-ned-mchenry-vs-riley-obrien-reaction-preseason-news-wayne-milera-injury/news-story/3606e9f65cf9e33d116da3cc5e6e4d5a

 

The Darren Burgess effect in full swing! The crows are in for one hell of a preseason I would think! 

[george_on_the_outer 7,099]

2 hours ago, Sideshow Bob said:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2021-adelaide-crows-fight-video-training-ned-mchenry-vs-riley-obrien-reaction-preseason-news-wayne-milera-injury/news-story/3606e9f65cf9e33d116da3cc5e6e4d5a

 

The Darren Burgess effect in full swing! The crows are in for one hell of a preseason I would think! 

Or they just keep fighting each other.....

This is from 2020:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/442065/watch-punches-thrown-as-crows-come-to-blows-at-training

 

[Hatchman 497]

I get the logic to this. A couple of years ago I tore my meniscus playing adult recreational basketball. Got a big explosion of pain in my knee, I swore and hobbled off the court. Went home, iced it, called the physio the next day and let the team know they had a scorer for the next 6 weeks!

Sports injuries are, like imagine to a lot of us, nothing new and we get used to them especially as we age and stay active. I won't bore anyone with the laundry list of injuries, concussions, surgeries etc... I've had, but say enough to say that it didn't freak me out and while it was bloody painful it wasn't anything I hadn't dealt with before - not like a broken bone which I hate doing as they always hurt like hell 

But I do remember talking to another player in a team my guys played the week after as I hobbled up to do the scoring, and he mentioned they had a guy in their team that did a similar injury later that night and that he went down like a sack of potatoes, face went white and was nearly crying. We got talking about it and he told me that this bloke had never played much sport and taking up rec basketball in his early 40's was the first time he'd ever played. Meaning it was the first time he'd ever experienced pain like this. 

Maybe that sort of explains this theory? 

Edited December 16, 2021 by Hatchman

[Jaded No More 59,777]

50 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Or they just keep fighting each other.....

This is from 2020:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/442065/watch-punches-thrown-as-crows-come-to-blows-at-training

 

Adelaide has a lot of cultural problems. Just look at their [censored] ex-captain. 

[Gawndy the Great 7,961]

2 hours ago, Hatchman said:

I get the logic to this. A couple of years ago I tore my meniscus playing adult recreational basketball. Got a big explosion of pain in my knee, I swore and hobbled off the court. Went home, iced it, called the physio the next day and let the team know they had a scorer for the next 6 weeks!

Sports injuries are, like imagine to a lot of us, nothing new and we get used to them especially as we age and stay active. I won't bore anyone with the laundry list of injuries, concussions, surgeries etc... I've had, but say enough to say that it didn't freak me out and while it was bloody painful it wasn't anything I hadn't dealt with before - not like a broken bone which I hate doing as they always hurt like hell 

But I do remember talking to another player in a team my guys played the week after as I hobbled up to do the scoring, and he mentioned they had a guy in their team that did a similar injury later that night and that he went down like a sack of potatoes, face went white and was nearly crying. We got talking about it and he told me that this bloke had never played much sport and taking up rec basketball in his early 40's was the first time he'd ever played. Meaning it was the first time he'd ever experienced pain like this. 

Maybe that sort of explains this theory? 

i hate injuries - have suffered from them in one sort of form or other whole of my life. Feels a bit like Glass Man from Unbreakable in comparison to some of my mates who have had relatively injury free lives. 

Now, its the long chapter of degenerative type injuries, which unfortunately nothing can fully fix.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,534]

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

Adelaide has a lot of cultural problems. Just look at their [censored] ex-captain. 

I hope you mean a recent ex-Captain and not the one who captained them from 2008 to 2010.

[leave it to deever 16,554]

Compared to 2019 the club has done an absolutely INCREDIBLE job.

Edited December 16, 2021 by leave it to deever

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On 11/4/2021 at 11:59 AM, tiers said:

This reminds me of the great cricket fast bowling conundrum. Modern day fast bowlers are considered to need R & R to maintain top condition and performance for a season.

Some years ago, a number of retired fast bowlers (Merv Hughes vintage) explained that the more they bowled, even when slightly discomforted by injuries, the better and more resilient they became and could maintain a full summer season of Shield matches and Test matches where they were required to bowl over 20 overs an innings.

Is there too much so-called science in sport? I am starting to think yes.

I agree, in teaching for example Data drives the teaching and learning program to an Overarching degree. The problem is that if you take away the human element and focus on data driven pedagogy to the detriment of experiential and some trial and error.

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2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Adelaide has a lot of cultural problems. Just look at their [censored] ex-captain. 

They are not the worst with cultural problems, how the heck another team Nth of Victoria can go with a guy in leadership with a history of on field issues is mystyfying. What message does that send out to supporters and young players?

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31 minutes ago, picket fence said:

They are not the worst with cultural problems, how the heck another team Nth of Victoria can go with a guy in leadership with a history of on field issues is mystyfying. What message does that send out to supporters and young players?

Desperation.

Their window has closed and they need a "brand name" player to keep the media talking about the club as they sink back down the ladder. 

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,588]

On 11/4/2021 at 8:52 PM, BAMF said:

I recommend that everyone have a listen to this episode in the podcast.

It's basically Burgos story about his time at the Dee's. So much more than what is covered in the article.

Exactly, this new article 'revealing Burgo's secrets' is regurgitating his philosophies that I'm sure he's discussed publically before.

There must be some balance and nuance to his philosophy of pushing players through their injuries.  For instance we rested Jack Viney for a substantial period this year to get him right for the remainder of the season.  Similarly, I also seem recall us resting Christian Salem.  In retrospect Jack Trengrove pushing his body on with his injured foot probably wasn't the best thing for his career.  I think there is probably some key knowledge and judgement about when to keep pushing and when to back off that makes or breaks this strategy.

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37 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

I think there is probably some key knowledge and judgement about when to keep pushing and when to back off that makes or breaks this strategy.

100%

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12 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Exactly, this new article 'revealing Burgo's secrets' is regurgitating his philosophies that I'm sure he's discussed publically before.

There must be some balance and nuance to his philosophy of pushing players through their injuries.  For instance we rested Jack Viney for a substantial period this year to get him right for the remainder of the season.  Similarly, I also seem recall us resting Christian Salem.  In retrospect Jack Trengrove pushing his body on with his injured foot probably wasn't the best thing for his career.  I think there is probably some key knowledge and judgement about when to keep pushing and when to back off that makes or breaks this strategy.

I guess his "genius" is knowing which injuries can safely (and beneficially) be "pushed through" and which ones require rest and rehabilitation.