COVID & AFL 2021

[WalkingCivilWar 39,256]

5 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Thank [censored] they were caught at the airport. 

Yeah, but that’s them. We might not be as lucky next time it happens. And it will happen. There’s no shortage of selfish idiots who will do this without a moment’s thought. 

[Dr. Gonzo 23,700]

Throw the book at these two twats. They think they're above the law while most others are trying to do the right thing they selfishly flout the governments directions and put us all in jeopardy. Sick of it, lock them up.

Edited August 12, 2021 by Dr. Gonzo

[old dee 23,487]

1 hour ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Yeah, but that’s them. We might not be as lucky next time it happens. And it will happen. There’s no shortage of selfish idiots who will do this without a moment’s thought. 

Sadly you are 100% correct.

[daisycutter 29,317]

13 hours ago, I'va Worn Smith said:

Which is administered by the Federal Government.  Is there a common theme occurring here?

but, don't confuse federal law with state law

[Jaded No More 67,636]

13 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Yeah, but that’s them. We might not be as lucky next time it happens. And it will happen. There’s no shortage of selfish idiots who will do this without a moment’s thought. 

It 100% would not surprise me if this latest outbreak in Victoria is from scumbags who got through the border restrictions.

 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

Airports are on Federal land, so the States should be speaking to the Feds about the problem of people without permits travelling through Federal airports to get onto planes.

How were these women caught? Was it State or Federal authorities at Melbourne airport? Or something else?

 

[WalkingCivilWar 39,256]

11 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Airports are on Federal land, so the States should be speaking to the Feds about the problem of people without permits travelling through Federal airports to get onto planes.

How were these women caught? Was it State or Federal authorities at Melbourne airport? Or something else?

 

Good question. It beggars belief that this could be allowed to happen. I mean, you risk being hanged, drawn and quartered should you dare to bring 26 cigarettes into Australia, the limit being 25.* But bring a deadly disease from one state to another? No wukkas. 
* I know this is not an accurate comparison but I may or may not have been caught with 80 cigarettes once and I’m clearly still bitter about it. 😆

Edited August 12, 2021 by WalkingCivilWar

[I'va Worn Smith 952]

30 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

but, don't confuse federal law with state law

That's precisely my point.  Who has relevant jurisdiction over Australia's airports?  At every Australian airport there is AFP presence.  The AFP falls under the purview of the Commonwealth.  Over and above that, this is a once in a lifetime global crisis.  As with world wars, I would want my Federal Government to co-ordinate strategies to combat such crises and not leave it to the individual whims of state premiers.  To meet the challenges on national basis, we need a uniform approach, operated out of a national 'war' room.

[Pennant St Dee 12,658]

13 hours ago, I'va Worn Smith said:

Which is administered by the Federal Government.  Is there a common theme occurring here?

Which you would think would result in Borderforce controlling security and monitoring at Airports and Ports, but no it’s state Police.

This is stretching already sparse resources to breaking point and impacting capability to actually perform their role

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

1 minute ago, I'va Worn Smith said:

That's precisely my point.  Who has relevant jurisdiction over Australia's airports?  At every Australian airport there is AFP presence.  The AFP falls under the purview of the Commonwealth.  Over and above that, this is a once in a lifetime global crisis.  As with world wars, I would want my Federal Government to co-ordinate strategies to combat such crises and not leave it to the individual whims of state premiers.  To meet the challenges on national basis, we need a uniform approach, operated out of a national 'war' room.

Yes and no. Apart from defence and border control, the Federal Government is not a service delivery agency. Most services (think housing, public transport, education) are delivered at the State level. Hence, the Feds aren't really set up to provide these sorts of services. However, if we've learned anything over the last 20 months, it is that the Feds must improve their capability to deliver services (vaccine purchase and distribution, for example).   

[binman 41,945]

1 minute ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Which you would think would result in Borderforce controlling security and monitoring at Airports and Ports, but no it’s state Police.

This is stretching already sparse resources to breaking point and impacting capability to actually perform their role

Agree.

Surely the ADF could play a role in that space. 

[Pennant St Dee 12,658]

1 minute ago, binman said:

Agree.

Surely the ADF could play a role in that space. 

You would have thought, the public would be in absolute uproar if they knew half of what state Police are being tasked to do and the impact it is having on crime. 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

2 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

You would have thought, the public would be in absolute uproar if they knew half of what state Police are being tasked to do and the impact it is having on crime. 

To be fair, isn't crime down overall, allegedly because of lockdowns? Maybe the state Police have more capacity than usual. Nevertheless, if people are able to board planes knowing the person next to them has been checked and isn't carrying a weapon, they should also be able to assume that the person has appropriate approval to travel.

[binman 41,945]

4 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

You would have thought, the public would be in absolute uproar if they knew half of what state Police are being tasked to do and the impact it is having on crime. 

The covid related resource drain on state police forces - time and money - in the last 18 months must be insane.

Good time to be a crim.

Though perhaps not of the organised variety given the anon sting and lack of international travel disrupting supply chains 

[Pennant St Dee 12,658]

2 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

To be fair, isn't crime down overall, allegedly because of lockdowns? Maybe the state Police have more capacity than usual. Nevertheless, if people are able to board planes knowing the person next to them has been checked and isn't carrying a weapon, they should also be able to assume that the person has appropriate approval to travel.

Not in Perth it’s not 

[deanox 9,643]

3 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Not in Perth it’s not 

With Dean Margetts retiring at least obvious crimes on the football field will reduce over there.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

7 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Not in Perth it’s not 

Poor Perth, missing out again. 

Here's some evidence that some types of crimes worldwide have reduced during the pandemic. And here's some more, although it does point out that some crime types (online fraud, for example) have increased. 

[WalkingCivilWar 39,256]

11 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

To be fair, isn't crime down overall, allegedly because of lockdowns? Maybe the state Police have more capacity than usual.

Maybe not so much down  as shifted. There’s been a dramatic rise in some crime categories, domestic violence being an example of such. 

[Jaded No More 67,636]

5 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Poor Perth, missing out again. 

Here's some evidence that some types of crimes worldwide have reduced during the pandemic. And here's some more, although it does point out that some crime types (online fraud, for example) have increased. 

Crimes might be down, but rage within the home due to spending far too much time with your own family locked inside is surely on the rise 😁

[daisycutter 29,317]

39 minutes ago, I'va Worn Smith said:

That's precisely my point.  Who has relevant jurisdiction over Australia's airports?  At every Australian airport there is AFP presence.  The AFP falls under the purview of the Commonwealth.  Over and above that, this is a once in a lifetime global crisis.  As with world wars, I would want my Federal Government to co-ordinate strategies to combat such crises and not leave it to the individual whims of state premiers.  To meet the challenges on national basis, we need a uniform approach, operated out of a national 'war' room.

we agree iva, but like it or not we are still a federation of states. it should be quite obvious the way covid has largely been managed by the states and quite differently too. afp only have jurisdiction over federal law. it's not the fault of either the states or the feds, it's just the way it is. of course that doesn't preclude cooperation or finding solutions and i'm sure some are working on it, but its not just a matter of a quick phone call.  

[I'va Worn Smith 952]

40 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Yes and no. Apart from defence and border control, the Federal Government is not a service delivery agency. Most services (think housing, public transport, education) are delivered at the State level. Hence, the Feds aren't really set up to provide these sorts of services. However, if we've learned anything over the last 20 months, it is that the Feds must improve their capability to deliver services (vaccine purchase and distribution, for example).   

Are not the Feds charged with the responsibility to protect our borders?  It is not too far to extrapolate that they could also protect our internal borders.  States are not geared to do this and as pointed out, we should not be straining our state police forces to fill this crucial role.

[I'va Worn Smith 952]

3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

we agree iva, but like it or not we are still a federation of states. it should be quite obvious the way covid has largely been managed by the states and quite differently too. afp only have jurisdiction over federal law. it's not the fault of either the states or the feds, it's just the way it is. of course that doesn't preclude cooperation or finding solutions and i'm sure some are working on it, but its not just a matter of a quick phone call.  

This is a national crisis.  These are extraordinary times, which require national leadership.  Under the Constitution, the Commonwealth has the power to introduce Laws, in such grave times.

[DubDee 24,347]

Any chance NSW can go into lockdown so we can avoid the season being completely derailed?  ~350 cases per day and climbing, despite Gladys stating as fact (incorrectly) that NSW has the toughest covid restrictions of anywhere in Australia.

cases still in Vic and QLD and they will continue until NSW do the right thing

 

[Kent 2,859]

13 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Throw the book at these two twats. They think they're above the law while most others are trying to do the right thing they selfishly flout the governments directions and put us all in jeopardy. Sick of it, lock them up.

Why dont they name and shame them

[old dee 23,487]

This morning I find myself genuinely depressed with the world on Friday 13th August 2021 and I don't believe in superstition. However the news via electronic and printed media is nothing but despair and sad stories. Try as I might I could find nothing uplifting. I feel like I want to return to bed for a week and hope the news is a bit improved next Friday. I really had no idea our world would be like this for my later years. But no matter how sad for me  what must it be like for the young! Hope the dees can improve our world on Sunday with a big win.

PS why after a thousand time of typing "Dees" does it change it to Fees.