Board Changes

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Happy for a Brad Green but not sure what he brings to the table.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

On 10/22/2020 at 8:06 PM, Lord Nev said:

 

"Rennick joins the Board with more than 25-years’ experience in the legal and property industries. He is currently a Partner and Global Board member of Pinsent Masons. Prior to that, he was Head of Australia for Pinsent Masons, CEO of an Australian law firm and a Director of an ASX-listed property development company. His responsibilities encompass leadership, people and client strategies and management. Rennick’s areas of expertise include master-planned community projects, property development, corporate, commercial and retail real estate."

Bartlett: "His experience is of great benefit regarding our top off-field priority, of building and establishing our home base and training facility within the MCG precinct.”

Smells like we need him because we are not as progressed in finding somewhere as Pert said.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

Wasnt Brad Green at another Club 5 minutes ago.

[58er 5,689]

39 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

Smells like we need him because we are not as progressed in finding somewhere as Pert said.

This  is a replacement Of Director Situation and why not utilise a confirmed loyal Dees fan with totally appropriate credentials to assist on the most major Club strategy needed in the next 2/3 years (other than winning a flag)?

If we had got a person skilled in bread making you would have been all over that like a rash.

Sorry HFF be even and fair and give some credit occasionally and don't be cynical and/ or Disenchanted ALL the time. 

[58er 5,689]

1 minute ago, 58er said:

This  is a replacement Of Director Situation and why not utilise a confirmed loyal Dees fan with totally appropriate credentials to assist on the most major Club strategy needed in the next 2/3 years (other than winning a flag)?

If we had got a person skilled in bread making you would have been all over that like a rash.

Sorry HFF be even and fair and give some credit occasionally and don't be cynical and/ or Disenchanted ALL the time. 

Oh and Brad Green being employed as a Coach recently. He is now a free agent not tied to any one and has been chosen after offering to GIVE UP his spare time.

Thanks  Brad BTW 2 weeks ago Adam Yze was employed by the Hawks !

is he not appropriate fir an Assistant or Senior Coaching role?

Heaven forbid if we recruit those Brown and Smith characters We will need them to quarantine for 6 mths before they pull on our wonderful Red and Blue  guernsey!!!

Maybe you can't adjust in your life but others can as they have an open mind and positive outlook on new challenges in life!!!

[Lord Nev 13,511]

1 hour ago, Half forward flank said:

Smells like we need him because we are not as progressed in finding somewhere as Pert said.

Maybe.

Or maybe we're getting close to a deal and value the extra expertise?

Or maybe we're going along as expected and took the opportunity to bolster our knowledge?

Not sure how you make a definitive call on it tbh.

Edited October 24, 2020 by Lord Nev

[Half forward flank 1,022]

48 minutes ago, 58er said:

Oh and Brad Green being employed as a Coach recently. He is now a free agent not tied to any one and has been chosen after offering to GIVE UP his spare time.

Thanks  Brad BTW 2 weeks ago Adam Yze was employed by the Hawks !

is he not appropriate fir an Assistant or Senior Coaching role?

Heaven forbid if we recruit those Brown and Smith characters We will need them to quarantine for 6 mths before they pull on our wonderful Red and Blue  guernsey!!!

Maybe you can't adjust in your life but others can as they have an open mind and positive outlook on new challenges in life!!!

Do not tell me how to comment.

If you cannot see the difference to appointing someone to your board as opposed to bringing them into the coaching or playing ranks that is not my problem. If you think Brown and Smith is what we need most. Well, good luck to you. As it happens I have rarely agreed with our recruiting choices for 56 years. This is a weak, losing Club in every respect. I love the jumper and the odd player but little else about it now. We are a joke with our we can beat anyone on our day mantra. Can you imagine what Clubs like Richmondsay about us behind closed doors. Sweat on them, put pressure and they will fold. And time and again they are proven correct.

Go back and have another look at that game and objectively ask yourself if a 32 year old Smith and a 28 year old Brown with a poor finals record of eight disposals is what we need most.

Edited October 24, 2020 by Half forward flank

[58er 5,689]

5 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

Do not tell me how to comment.

If you cannot see the difference to appointing someone to your board as opposed to bringing them into the coaching or playing ranks that is not my problem. If you think Brown and Smith is what we need most. Well, good luck to you. As it happens I have rarely agreed with our recruiting choices for 56 years. This is a weak, losing Club in every respect. I love the jumper and the odd player but little else about it now. We are a joke with our we can beat anyone on our day mantra. Can you imagine what Clubs like Richmondsay about us behind closed doors. Sweat on them, put pressure and they will fold. And time and again they are proven correct.

Go back and have another look at that game and objectively ask yourself if a 32 year old Smith and a 28 year old Brown with a poor finals record of eight disposals is what we need most.

HFF  you font need to convince me that you are not agreeable to some of Melb's  traits And administrative or footy decisions.

My point was that people can perform role in changing Clubs or businesses. Also your cynicism about Rob Merrick snd Brad Green is negative way to look at their appointments. A half glass full might be a better approach until you see reason to criticise.

Brown and Smith were used as an exsmple of my point as well. It voulcc dc be any footballer.

.Who do you think we should recruit in the trade period then?

what game are you referring to go back and look???

I am Going to finish my coffee my cup is half full looking towards 2021!!!

[Half forward flank 1,022]

11 minutes ago, 58er said:

HFF  you font need to convince me that you are not agreeable to some of Melb's  traits And administrative or footy decisions.

My point was that people can perform role in changing Clubs or businesses. Also your cynicism about Rob Merrick snd Brad Green is negative way to look at their appointments. A half glass full might be a better approach until you see reason to criticise.

Brown and Smith were used as an exsmple of my point as well. It voulcc dc be any footballer.

.Who do you think we should recruit in the trade period then?

what game are you referring to go back and look???

I am Going to finish my coffee my cup is half full looking towards 2021!!!

And you are perfectly entitled to be a half full on the Dees.  Explain to me my criticism of Merrick please?

[58er 5,689]

10 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

And you are perfectly entitled to be a half full on the Dees.  Explain to me my criticism of Merrick please?

You queried his appointment indicating that it was prob due to Perty overstating our position at this stage on the Base fir our Club and it was solely on that by your comment 

Not due to really a smart business Decision  to get expertise Where we may need it ( after the previous dIrector had Resl estate skills also) as stated by Bartlett and his loyalty to the Dees as a supporter being relevant also.

agsin you took IMIO a negative and cynical look with no praise offering. 

[Half forward flank 1,022]

1 minute ago, 58er said:

You queried his appointment indicating that it was prob due to Perty overstating our position at this stage on the Base fir our Club and it was solely on that by your comment 

Not due to really a smart business Decision  to get expertise Where we may need it ( after the previous dIrector had Resl estate skills also) as stated by Bartlett and his loyalty to the Dees as a supporter being relevant also.

agsin you took IMIO a negative and cynical look with no praise offering. 

it is a bit deeper than that. If my suspicion is correct then it is a good appointment in respect we need expertise to pull off what has been promised, promised, promised. However, again if my suspicion is correct we are needing expertise in an area members thought was well under control. I am happy to be on record of being awfully cynical of MFC after being a supporter with a gullible, glass half full attitude for most odf the past 56 years. No other Club in the league is appointing a Board member on the basis of their ability to help find and spend valuable Board time on building a home gound for Gods sake. 

[whatwhat say what 19,904]

1 minute ago, Half forward flank said:

it is a bit deeper than that. If my suspicion is correct then it is a good appointment in respect we need expertise to pull off what has been promised, promised, promised. However, again if my suspicion is correct we are needing expertise in an area members thought was well under control. I am happy to be on record of being awfully cynical of MFC after being a supporter with a gullible, glass half full attitude for most odf the past 56 years. No other Club in the league is appointing a Board member on the basis of their ability to help find and spend valuable Board time on building a home gound for Gods sake. 

but that's the thing - that's all you've got; suspicions

you don't have any knowledge or insight with regards to the blanket statements you make on this or any other thread

also bolded part is not true; the crows latest board appointments is all about having the political sway to get them a home base in the cbd as opposed to out at west lakes

[Half forward flank 1,022]

1 minute ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

but that's the thing - that's all you've got; suspicions

you don't have any knowledge or insight with regards to the blanket statements you make on this or any other thread

also bolded part is not true; the crows latest board appointments is all about having the political sway to get them a home base in the cbd as opposed to out at west lakes

Fine on the Crows but they have tasted success with having an excellent home base. They are just looking to upgrade.  Born to rule fools sure dont like anyone challenging their little club plaything. My suspicion is easily countered by the Club. Give us an announcement of a date for a home base. 

[58er 5,689]

1 minute ago, Half forward flank said:

it is a bit deeper than that. If my suspicion is correct then it is a good appointment in respect we need expertise to pull off what has been promised, promised, promised. However, again if my suspicion is correct we are needing expertise in an area members thought was well under control. I am happy to be on record of being awfully cynical of MFC after being a supporter with a gullible, glass half full attitude for most odf the past 56 years. No other Club in the league is appointing a Board member on the basis of their ability to help find and spend valuable Board time on building a home gound for Gods sake. 

That's because we are the last Club to want or get a Base!!

Directors  all hsve different Board responsibilities like for Football which Brad Green wii get I imagine

Others  because of Their corporate financial or business skills Will get a Financial  Role.

Also  others are multi skilled or Jack of all trades on the Bosrd.

Gender also become important on Boards these days.

Thought  this was obvious and made  clear and open  by the Choice of Merrick by Bartlett.

Its also harsh to continually blame Boards and Committees NOW fir a raft of decisions for over half a century!

 

[Half forward flank 1,022]

4 minutes ago, 58er said:

That's because we are the last Club to want or get a Base!!

Directors  all hsve different Board responsibilities like for Football which Brad Green wii get I imagine

Others  because of Their corporate financial or business skills Will get a Financial  Role.

Also  others are multi skilled or Jack of all trades on the Bosrd.

Gender also become important on Boards these days.

Thought  this was obvious and made  clear and open  by the Choice of Merrick by Bartlett.

Its also harsh to continually blame Boards and Committees NOW fir a raft of decisions for over half a century!

 

You do not seem able to follow an argument, only make your own points, so see ya, you are wasting my time. Are you in the cheer squad?

[old55 21,772]

1 hour ago, Half forward flank said:

You do not seem able to follow an argument, only make your own points, so see ya, you are wasting my time. Are you in the cheer squad?

The problem with your posting is that you're the king of criticism and the pauper of solutions. You've got nothing except critique.

[Binmans PA 26,592]

13 hours ago, Jaded said:

The most useless organization in Australia funded by tax payers is Aus Post. They make millions while I wait 9 weeks to get a parcel from QLD. Useless. 

I've already explained this. Australia Post is funded by public money. The Federal Government does not recirculate its tax revenue. This would be inflationary. But yes, they are hopeless. They are also mostly franchisees and therefore essentially privatised.

[Macca 16,174]

On 10/25/2020 at 7:09 AM, Clint Bizkit said:

Happy for a Brad Green but not sure what he brings to the table.

Football nous? 

Another more important question is what do the other board members bring in terms of football nous?

Financially we seem to be doing reasonably well (largely on the back of pokies/NT income) but the core business is winning and winning premierships

On that front our various boards have failed spectacularly. 

Even during the successful Smith era we had problems at board level.  Smith fought with them on a regular basis and then they sacked him

In an ideal world we'd have a few on the board with 'Real' football nous coupled with business expertise (or other such qualities)

[jnrmac 19,399]

On 10/22/2020 at 8:34 PM, whatwhatsaywhat said:

he once tried out for man u?

Really? That's the first I have ever heard of that....

[58er 5,689]

13 hours ago, Macca said:

Football nous? 

Another more important question is what do the other board members bring in terms of football nous?

Financially we seem to be doing reasonably well (largely on the back of pokies/NT income) but the core business is winning and winning premierships

On that front our various boards have failed spectacularly. 

Even during the successful Smith era we had problems at board level.  Smith fought with them on a regular basis and then they sacked him

In an ideal world we'd have a few on the board with 'Real' football nous coupled with business expertise (or other such qualities)

Smith snd Board must have kept any fighting quiet Macca as the 1966 sacking was over Smithy criticising an umpire (Ron Brophy I think) one day and Cttee didn't see eye to eye. Not sure there wasn't civil action taken by the Ump and Smithy wanted Club ie Board support.

Hardly a succession of fights from 1952 to 1964/5 Macca unless you know of any others ??

Board  must have done some things right as 6 flags in 12/13 years ain't bad!!!

[Macca 16,174]

5 hours ago, 58er said:

Smith snd Board must have kept any fighting quiet Macca as the 1966 sacking was over Smithy criticising an umpire (Ron Brophy I think) one day and Cttee didn't see eye to eye. Not sure there wasn't civil action taken by the Ump and Smithy wanted Club ie Board support.

Hardly a succession of fights from 1952 to 1964/5 Macca unless you know of any others ??

Board  must have done some things right as 6 flags in 12/13 years ain't bad!!!

From what I've read Smith was in conflict with the board on a fairly constant basis.  He,  Cardwell & Ivor Warne-Smith were the guts of the operation and that's why we were successful.  Board ... coat-tails?

Do you really believe they did the right thing by sacking the bloke?  Didn't seem to achieve much as we've been mostly abysmal ever since. 

And since the sacking we've been a club that has been mostly in the wilderness.  No silverware and not even close.

Surely that is board related

The fish rots at the head

As someone else said here recently,  since our success we've acted like amateurs in a professional environment.

We still don't have much of a home base and have to share facilities whilst nearly all the other clubs have progressed in leaps & bounds

And I've been pointing the finger at our various boards for decades.  Others often prefer to blame the A-End of the problem

Sack the coach and all that

[Demonstone 19,792]

13 minutes ago, Macca said:

The fish rots at the head

One of the great myths and cliches.  A dead fish rots from the guts.  All that bacteria, you see.  

[Macca 16,174]

10 minutes ago, demonstone said:

One of the great myths and cliches.  A dead fish rots from the guts.  All that bacteria, you see.  

Ha ha!

I will no longer use that phrase ds!

Whilst your here,  I could point at any number of Board blunders over the years including appointing a person like Neeld,  extending Goodwin's contract,  letting Northey go,  sacking a great football person like Balme etc etc etc

And it's not Goodwin's fault that he ended up with a long,  seemingly water tight contract.  We gave it to him.

But I wouldn't be sacking Goodwin anyway.  He might be part of the problem but he isn't 'the' problem

Someone like Mahoney has been there for 13 years overseeing one finals appearance.  Nice work if you can get it!

So we pull the trigger early and then don't pull the trigger when we should do

[Kent 2,661]

1 minute ago, Macca said:

Ha ha!

I will no longer use that phrase ds!

Whilst your here,  I could point at any number of Board blunders over the years including appointing a person like Neeld,  extending Goodwin's contract,  letting Northey go,  sacking a great football person like Balme etc etc etc

And it's not Goodwin's fault that he ended up with a long,  seemingly water tight contract.  We gave it to him.

But I wouldn't be sacking Goodwin anyway.  He might be part of the problem but he isn't 'the' problem

Someone like Mahoney has been there for 13 years overseeing one finals appearance.  Nice work if you can get it!

So we pull the trigger early and then don't pull the trigger when we should do

Yes Macca

Couldnt agree more  Mahoney is only the common factor along with unimpressive board over that 13 years

[Macca 16,174]

57 minutes ago, Kent said:

Yes Macca

Couldnt agree more  Mahoney is only the common factor along with unimpressive board over that 13 years

And us supporters are often stuck with whatever board we're presented with

The way it's structured really only allows for a takeover by a group or an agreed change over (or suchlike)  Individuals haven't really got much of a hope unless they're connected in some way.  As previously stated,  1 or 2 stand down every now and again replaced by other like-minded types (IMO)

The merger time brought a change with Gutnick/Dixon etc but that was special circumstances driven.

The Stynes ticket was another but that had it's problems as well

Others might know of other instances but I should make mention again that individually,  the Board members often will have terrific non-football credentials.  That's what makes it so difficult to judge because from a financial point of view,  we're not badly placed right now or at other times in the past

But the supporters just want to win and win big.  Most don't really care about the financials

I do but I want to see the club do exceptionally well in all areas