2021 AFL National Draft prospects: The next batch

[adonski 9,297]

Mac Andrew's seems to be a consensus top 10 pick for many other mock drafts too, for what it's worth. 

[Whispering_Jack 28,094]

Mac Andrew is now sitting at # 7 in Chris Doerre’s power rankings for August. I’m told that another of the draft experts on bigfooty, Ed Pascoe, will have him as high as 6th when he drops his rankings. 

AFL Draft - August's Power Rankings: Young talls catapult into top 10 calculations

 

[Nascent 7,469]

Can Gold Coast still pre-list their academy players with their draft concessions?

[Whispering_Jack 28,094]

17 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I’m told that another of the draft experts on bigfooty, Ed Pascoe, will have him as high as 6th when he drops his rankings. 

It seems that my mail was wrong and that Ed Pascoe hasn't gotten caught up in the hype.

[Whispering_Jack 28,094]

14 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

It seems that my mail was wrong and that Ed Pascoe hasn't gotten caught up in the hype.

Then there's AFL Draft Central which has him shooting up the charts and lighting up the big stage at #6.

 

AFL Draft Central Power Rankings: August 2021

[Gawndy the Great 7,723]

26 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

It seems that my mail was wrong and that Ed Pascoe hasn't gotten caught up in the hype.

he wouldn't be a MFC support by any chance?

[adonski 9,297]

7 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

 

 

 

Then there's AFL Draft Central which has him shooting up the charts and lighting up the big stage at #6.

 

AFL Draft Central Power Rankings: August 2021

 

Know much about Rachele? Seems like a good type to potential pair with Kozzie.

[dazzledavey36 49,373]

Time to let it go Jack.. he ain't coming to us.

[Whispering_Jack 28,094]

11 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Time to let it go Jack.. he ain't coming to us.

Can you show me where I’ve advocated that he should come to us? My position is that he is being overhyped in some quarters based on the amount of games he’s played this season and on what he’s achieved. That’s not his fault because we’ve gone through two lockdowns and he also missed a few weeks through concussion. I doubt whether any draft prospect who has reached top 10 in these sorts of draft discussions has done so little to get there. At this stage I don’t think he’s shown enough to warrant such high ranking. 

If Melbourne had pick 6 in this year’s draft, would you invest it on Mac Andrew?

[Stiff Arm 4,415]

1 hour ago, Whispering_Jack said:

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If Melbourne had pick 6 in this year’s draft, would you invest it on Mac Andrew?

If he was rated by our recruiting team as top 6 in draft, then yes.

The draft watchers increasingly have him in the top 10 or thereabouts, which seems to be a reasonable indication, despite the factors you mention.

Would be great for him to be an option at our first pick, but I won't be surprised when he isn't.

Edited August 3, 2021 by Stiff Arm

[buck_nekkid 5,584]

35 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

If he was rated by our recruiting team as top 6 in draft, then yes.

The draft watchers increasingly have him in the top 10 or thereabouts, which seems to be a reasonable indication, despite the factors you mention.

Would be great for him to be an option at our first pick, but I won't be surprised when he isn't.

Even if he was the 6th best kid, clubs are going to have their own needs/rankings as well.  Might be there are teams who need more ready to go talent, more midfield support, more outside run, more footy smarts (what we went after last year).  Where Mac ends up will depend on many factors, and I think only the pre-draft phantoms (when the clubs are leaking their preferences) will tell us much.  The ones you can take to the bank are guys like Daicos, who wont make it out of the top 3. Andrew could be a square peg in a round hole - even for the demons.

[Elwood 3184 1,268]

34 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

If he was rated by our recruiting team as top 6 in draft, then yes.

The draft watchers increasingly have him in the top 10 or thereabouts, which seems to be a reasonable indication, despite the factors you mention.

Would be great for him to be an option at our first pick, but I won't be surprised when he isn't.

Obviously, but that wasn’t the question asked. 

Let’s assume that we’re back in late 2018 and Melbourne has draft pick 6 (which it had for a little while). Your choice is to take Steven May and change in return for that pick and change or use it on a promising but slightly built young ruckman who has played half a dozen NAB Cup games and two other trial games without starring in them. He’s promising but you won’t know for a few years whether he can really play at the highest level. What would you do with pick 6?

[Whispering_Jack 28,094]

There’s an article in the Herald Sun that’s behind a pay wall. It’s entitled, “NAB League Super Rankings: Top 50 players ranked after Round 15” by Chris Cavanagh. Summary:-

* Nick Daicos missed Sunday’s NAB League match with calf soreness but there’s nothing to worry about. He remains second on the Herald Sun NAB League Super Rankings.

 

* Collingwood NGA member Youseph Dib starred through the midfield for Oakleigh in Daicos’ absence.

 

* Northern Knights inside midfielder Joel Trudgeon again racked up the highest KFC SuperCoach score of the weekend in the NAB League with 200 points.

 

TOP-FIVE SUPERCOACH SCORES FROM EACH ROUND 15 NAB LEAGUE GAME

 

WESTERN JETS v GEELONG FALCONS

 

150 – Massimo D’Ambrosio (Western Jets)

136 – Mitchell Knevitt (Geelong Falcons)

130 – Blake Reid (Geelong Falcons)

127 – Max Annadale (Geelong Falcons)

120 – Oliver Northam (Geelong Falcons)

 

DANDENONG STINGRAYS v EASTERN RANGES

 

153 – Will Bravo (Dandenong Stingrays)

140 – Max Hall (Eastern Ranges)

138 – Jake Soligo (Eastern Ranges)

120 – Josh Clarke (Eastern Ranges)

112 – Jake Arundell (Eastern Ranges)

 

MURRAY BUSHRANGERS v CALDER CANNONS

 

158 – Ethan Warburton (Murray Bushrangers)

155 – Zac Taylor (Calder Cannons)

142 – Tom Bracher (Murray Bushrangers)

121 – Flynn Gentile (Calder Cannons)

120 – Josh Goater (Calder Cannons)

 

GIPPSLAND POWER v OAKLEIGH CHARGERS

 

130 – Mitchell Moschetti (Gippsland Power)

122 – Youseph Dib (Oakleigh Chargers)

120 – David Brinker-Ritchie (Gippsland Power)

113 – Luis D’Angelo (Gippsland Power)

110 – Chance Doultree (Gippsland Power)

 

GWV REBELS v SANDRINGHAM DRAGONS

 

167 – Marcus Herbert (GWV Rebels)

134 – Luke Cleary (Sandringham Dragons)

133 – Ben Hobbs (GWV Rebels)

127 – Mitch Owens (Sandringham Dragons)

119 – Ollie Lowe (Sandringham Dragons)

 

NORTHERN KNIGHTS v BENDIGO PIONEERS

 

200 – Joel Trudgeon (Northern Knights)

128 – Harvey Gallagher (Bendigo Pioneers)

115 – Joel Fitzgerald (Northern Knights)

112 – Angus Seivers (Northern Knights)

111 – Jackson Bowne (Northern Knights)

 

NAB LEAGUE SUPER RANKINGS (THROUGH ROUND 15 – MINIMUM 2 GAMES PLAYED)

 

Ranking, Player, Club, Position, 2021 Games, 2021 Ave. KFC SuperCoach Points

 

1. Joel Trudgeon (Northern Knights), MID, 7 games, 191 points

2. Nick Daicos (Oakleigh Chargers), MID/FWD, 5 games, 159 points

3. Connor MacDonald (Dandenong Stingrays), MID, 4 games, 148 points

4. Samuel Frost (GWS Academy), MID, 4 games, 147 points

5. Ned Long (Northern Knights), MID, 3 games, 144 points

6. Pierce Roseby (Sydney Swans Academy), MID, 3 games, 142 points

7. Patrick Parnell* (Murray Bushrangers), GEN DEF, 4 games, 141 points

8. Bodhi Uwland (Gold Coast Academy), KEY DEF, 2 games, 141 points

9. Felix Rogers (Sydney Swans Academy), GEN DEF, 3 games, 133 points

10. Josh Ward (Northern Knights), MID, 5 games, 133 points

11. Josh Rachele (Murray Bushrangers), GEN DEF, 4 games, 130 points

12. Noah Gribble (Geelong Falcons), GEN DEF, 8 games, 130 points

13. Oliver Davis (Tasmania), MID, 2 games, 129 points

14. Oliver Sanders (Tasmania), MID, 3 games, 128 points

15. Fraser Marris (Greater Western Victoria Rebels), MID, 7 games, 127 points

16. Matthew Hamblin (GWS Academy), GEN FWD, 4 games, 127 points

18. Joel Fitzgerald (Northern Knights), GEN DEF, 8 games, 126 points

19. Zac Taylor (Calder Cannons), MID, 7 games, 126 points

20. Baynen Lowe (Tasmania), MID, 7 games, 124 points

21. Ben Hobbs (GWV Rebels), MID, 5 games, 124 points

22. Ewan MacPherson (Northern Knights), MID, 4 games, 122 points

23. Andy Moniz Wakefield (Northern Territory), MID, 2 games, 121 points

24. Nick Hodgson (GWV Rebels), MID, 7 games, 121 points

25. Chance Doultree (Gippsland Power), MID, 6 games, 120 points

26. Sam Conforti (Bendigo Pioneers), MID, 5 games, 118 points

27. Jordan Endemann (Sydney Swans Academy), GEN DEF, 3 games, 117 points

28. Mitchell Knevitt (Geelong Falcons), MID, 8 games, 117 points

29. Zavier Maher (Murray Bushrangers), MID, 3 games, 116 points

30. Joshua Goater (Calder Cannons), MID, 7 games, 116 points

31. Noah Gadsby (Geelong Falcons), GEN DEF, 4 games, 115 points

32. Hugh Fidler (Brisbane Lions Academy), MID, 2 games, 115 points

33. Liam Conway (Western Jets), MID, 8 games, 114 points

34. Maximus Monaghan (GWS Academy), GEN FWD, 4 games, 114 points

35. Jake Soligo (Eastern Ranges), MID, 7 games, 114 points

36. Finn Callaghan (Sandringham Dragons), GEN DEF, 6 games, 112 points

37. Cody Raak (Western Jets), GEN DEF, 6 games, 111 points

38. Lachlan Riley (Sandringham Dragons), MID, 3 games, 111 points

39. Ned Moyle* (Oakleigh Chargers), RUCK, 4 games, 111 points

40. Joshua Green (GWS Academy), MID, 3 games, 111 points

41. Zac Young (Brisbane Lions Academy), MID, 2 games, 111 points

42. Henry Brown (Oakleigh Chargers), MID, 7 games, 110 points

43. Marcus Herbert (GWV Rebels), MID, 9 games, 109 points

44. Luke Fellows (GWS Academy), N/A, 4 games, 109 points

45. Flynn Lakey (Calder Cannons), MID, 9 games, 109 points

46. Flynn Gentile (Calder Cannons), MID, 8 games, 109 points

47. Angus Anderson (Sydney Swans Academy), MID, 2 games, 108 points

48. Jacob Edwards* (Sandringham Dragons), RUCK, 3 games, 107 points

49. William Bella (Gold Coast Academy), KEY FWD, 2 games, 107 points

50. Charlie McKay (Sandringham Dragons), MID, 9 games, 106 points

 

*Recruited in the AFL Mid-Season Rookie Draft

[Freddy Fuschia 666]

28 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

NAB LEAGUE SUPER RANKINGS (THROUGH ROUND 15 – MINIMUM 2 GAMES PLAYED)

 

Ranking, Player, Club, Position, 2021 Games, 2021 Ave. KFC SuperCoach Points

 

23. Andy Moniz Wakefield (Northern Territory), MID, 2 games, 121 points

Worth keeping an eye on this guy if he's eligible this year.

[Freddy Fuschia 666]

3 hours ago, Elwood 3184 said:

Obviously, but that wasn’t the question asked. 

Let’s assume that we’re back in late 2018 and Melbourne has draft pick 6 (which it had for a little while). Your choice is to take Steven May and change in return for that pick and change or use it on a promising but slightly built young ruckman who has played half a dozen NAB Cup games and two other trial games without starring in them. He’s promising but you won’t know for a few years whether he can really play at the highest level. What would you do with pick 6?

Rhetorical question, yes?

[Nascent 7,469]

2 minutes ago, Freddy Fuschia said:

Worth keeping an eye on this guy if he's eligible this year.

He's in our academy I believe

[dazzledavey36 49,373]

2 minutes ago, Freddy Fuschia said:

Worth keeping an eye on this guy if he's eligible this year.

Well he is in our NGA? His numbers that I've seen at NAB level stack pretty well?

Pretty sure he made the NT state squad as well.

[Freddy Fuschia 666]

29 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Well he is in our NGA? His numbers that I've seen at NAB level stack pretty well?

Pretty sure he made the NT state squad as well.

If he's eligible this year, he would be easier to draft. If he's draft eligible next year we would struggle to get him because we could not match a bid up to number 40.

[dazzledavey36 49,373]

35 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Well he is in our NGA? His numbers that I've seen at NAB level stack pretty well?

Pretty sure he made the NT state squad as well.

Allies squad, not NT.

[Stiff Arm 4,415]

10 hours ago, Elwood 3184 said:

Obviously, but that wasn’t the question asked. 

Let’s assume that we’re back in late 2018 and Melbourne has draft pick 6 (which it had for a little while). Your choice is to take Steven May and change in return for that pick and change or use it on a promising but slightly built young ruckman who has played half a dozen NAB Cup games and two other trial games without starring in them. He’s promising but you won’t know for a few years whether he can really play at the highest level. What would you do with pick 6?

Actually, it was exactly the questioned asked.

If we had pick 6 in this draft would we use it on Mac Andrew? If our team thought he was worth pick 6 to us, then yes.

What was never asked was should we trade pick 6 (if we had it) or use it in the draft, which is what you are hypothetically proposing.

 

Edited August 4, 2021 by Stiff Arm

[Elwood 3184 1,268]

11 hours ago, Stiff Arm said:

Actually, it was exactly the questioned asked.

If we had pick 6 in this draft would we use it on Mac Andrew? If our team thought he was worth pick 6 to us, then yes.

What was never asked was should we trade pick 6 (if we had it) or use it in the draft, which is what you are hypothetically proposing.

 

No. It’s absolutely not what was asked. The response that if “our team thought he was worth pick 6 to us” we would use it on Mac Andrew actually begs the question which is actually whether you believe on the evidence actually before the public at this time you would forgo the use of pick 6. 

[Stiff Arm 4,415]

On 8/5/2021 at 7:30 AM, Elwood 3184 said:

No. It’s absolutely not what was asked. The response that if “our team thought he was worth pick 6 to us” we would use it on Mac Andrew actually begs the question which is actually whether you believe on the evidence actually before the public at this time you would forgo the use of pick 6. 

And the obvious answer is: if we had 6 and our recruiting team thought he was worth pick 6 to us then yes, he could very well be taken then. 

Your trying to shift the goal posts by bringing potential trades or evidence before the public into your response.

I simply answered the question asked, nothing more. 

I will leave you to it and move on, we currently don't have pick 6 anyway

[Demon Disciple 11,137]

Would I pick him at #6? Absolutely not.

Late first rounder maybe. Sure he has potential, but is way too raw. That potential outweighs what he has produced up until now (as good as he has been). The hype is greater than his output for mine.

[Elwood 3184 1,268]

21 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Would I pick him at #6? Absolutely not.

Late first rounder maybe. Sure he has potential, but is way too raw. That potential outweighs what he has produced up until now (as good as he has been). The hype is greater than his output for mine.

Correct weight with the rider that, subject to Covid19, he has the opportunity to show that he can consistently produce what he’s currently shown for only one quarter every few weeks, in which case, his ranking would go much higher.

[Whispering_Jack 28,094]

Callum Twomey reports that potential No.1 pick Jason Horne has changed his name to Jason Horne-Francis, as a nod to the role his step-father and former AFL player Fabian Francis has played in his life. 

Francis was originally recruited to play for Melbourne but played only 1 game before moving to the Brisbane Bears (22 games) and finally to Port Adelaide (86 games).

Horne-Francis is a certainty to end up at North Melbourne.