5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

In fairness wise you were also rubbishing the same journo's who said prior to that Oliver was not happy with the club.

Oliver is not going anywhere, I think we can both agree on that. I'll be more worried next year if we get to round 10 and he hasn't re-signed and we're not sitting in the 8...

I can accept the second part.  If we balls it up next year then you could hardly blame him.

However, I sit firmly in the camp that he hasn't even gotten that far down the road.  As I've said, I can accept the frustration he is feeling.  I don't blame him one bit.

As for the journos, it was a couple who claimed they heard 'whispers'.  The others spoke to Oliver and the club directly.  I'll take that more seriously than the other ones based on that.

16 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

SEN interview:

stephen-silvagni-slams-blues

Ahhh ok. Things make more sense now

13 hours ago, spalding said:

I saw this topic was “hot” and thought something of note may have been said, but now realise that hot relates to air. 

99 percent of footy fans know 99 percent of SFA about how clubs run. It’s fun to guess, and mostly harmless, but at the end of the day it’s throwing darts blindfolded and then claiming victory when you [censored] the shot

16 hours ago, Garbo said:

When is the last time you saw a top 5 player at a Melbourne based club leave and go to another Melbourne based club, it simply doesn’t happen, almost every move essentially falls into go home factor, the only moves that happen between Melbourne based clubs are ones where the player is pushed.

Oliver will never leave Dees for another club unless we want him gone

Saad finished 3rd in the Bombers BnF and has requested a trade to Carlton.

 

The President has weighed in on Clayton Oliver.

On Oliver, who has been rumoured to be unhappy and on the radar of Carlton, Bartlett gave the strongest indication yet the midfielder would be at the Demons next year and reaffirmed the club’s interest in Ben Brown.

”Clarry will be playing for Melbourne,” he said.

“We love Clayton Oliver…"

Certainly got a few ducks to get in a row here. 

From Gary Buckenara's 'list analysis' article today...

Melbourne has to decide whether this group can win a premiership in the next five years. I say no, but the club probably believes it can, so are unlikely to do anything bold like seeing what offers would come in by putting Clayton Oliver on the trade table.

That would shock some people, but clubs need to think outside the box – you never know what possibilities and opportunities will present to improve your list and get the types of players you need to take the next step.

Oliver is a great player but there are a few knocks on his game. He handballs too often and puts his teammates under pressure.
So, he doesn’t really hurt the opposition like the great midfielders do. I think he can be replaced.

You obviously wouldn’t do the deal unless an offer too good to refuse came up, but it’s food for thought. Be bold because this list has stagnated.

7 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

From Gary Buckenara's 'list analysis' article today...

Melbourne has to decide whether this group can win a premiership in the next five years. I say no, but the club probably believes it can, so are unlikely to do anything bold like seeing what offers would come in by putting Clayton Oliver on the trade table.

That would shock some people, but clubs need to think outside the box – you never know what possibilities and opportunities will present to improve your list and get the types of players you need to take the next step.

Oliver is a great player but there are a few knocks on his game. He handballs too often and puts his teammates under pressure.
So, he doesn’t really hurt the opposition like the great midfielders do. I think he can be replaced.

You obviously wouldn’t do the deal unless an offer too good to refuse came up, but it’s food for thought. Be bold because this list has stagnated.

It's so easy to predict future performance.

if club finishes top 4 = premiership contender

if club finish top 6 = top 4 contender

if club finishes top 8 = changes needed

if club finishes anywhere 9th-10th = not up for it.

The prediction analysis is the same every year. Same with ladder predictions.

4 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

From Gary Buckenara's 'list analysis' article today...

Melbourne has to decide whether this group can win a premiership in the next five years. I say no, but the club probably believes it can, so are unlikely to do anything bold like seeing what offers would come in by putting Clayton Oliver on the trade table.

That would shock some people, but clubs need to think outside the box – you never know what possibilities and opportunities will present to improve your list and get the types of players you need to take the next step.

Oliver is a great player but there are a few knocks on his game. He handballs too often and puts his teammates under pressure.
So, he doesn’t really hurt the opposition like the great midfielders do. I think he can be replaced.

You obviously wouldn’t do the deal unless an offer too good to refuse came up, but it’s food for thought. Be bold because this list has stagnated.

This is interesting and while not the intention of his comments, it does highlight what others have mentioned about Oliver. And that is, if rumours of wanting to play in a successful team are true, well so much of realising that at the MFC are hugely in Olivers control. I rate him very highly but he can be even better. And further improvement from Oliver would help us move towards the next level. Like our other mids, if his improvement was centred around how he leverages his strengths to compliment the strengths of our other mids then we would improve in leaps and bounds.

I guess we'll see what he's really made of over the next 12 months. 

On 10/24/2020 at 6:02 AM, Uncle Fester said:

99 percent of footy fans know 99 percent of SFA about how clubs run. It’s fun to guess, and mostly harmless, but at the end of the day it’s throwing darts blindfolded and then claiming victory when you [censored] the shot

Wow than I am a 1 percenter. 

17 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

From Gary Buckenara's 'list analysis' article today...

Melbourne has to decide whether this group can win a premiership in the next five years. I say no, but the club probably believes it can, so are unlikely to do anything bold like seeing what offers would come in by putting Clayton Oliver on the trade table.

That would shock some people, but clubs need to think outside the box – you never know what possibilities and opportunities will present to improve your list and get the types of players you need to take the next step.

Oliver is a great player but there are a few knocks on his game. He handballs too often and puts his teammates under pressure.
So, he doesn’t really hurt the opposition like the great midfielders do. I think he can be replaced.

You obviously wouldn’t do the deal unless an offer too good to refuse came up, but it’s food for thought. Be bold because this list has stagnated.

So Buckenara is suggesting we trade one of our Top 2 midfielders (at the ripe old age of 23) if it meant getting something too good to refuse?  And what would that be?  A couple of first round draft picks?  So that we can develop them to potentially become one of our Top 2 midfielders?

I honestly don't know what sort of offer would have to be made for me to consider letting him go.  And I mean something that would be realistic.

These sort of trade suggestions make absolutely no sense to me.

32 minutes ago, rufus said:

This is interesting and while not the intention of his comments, it does highlight what others have mentioned about Oliver. And that is, if rumours of wanting to play in a successful team are true, well so much of realising that at the MFC are hugely in Olivers control. I rate him very highly but he can be even better. And further improvement from Oliver would help us move towards the next level. Like our other mids, if his improvement was centred around how he leverages his strengths to compliment the strengths of our other mids then we would improve in leaps and bounds.

I guess we'll see what he's really made of over the next 12 months. 

I think Oliver can take a look at Neals brownlow speech, when he said the coaches wanted him to brake away from the stoppage with ball in hand then kick or handball get more yardage and free up team mates or have a shot for goal 

21 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

So Buckenara is suggesting we trade one of our Top 2 midfielders (at the ripe old age of 23) if it meant getting something too good to refuse?  And what would that be?  A couple of first round draft picks?  So that we can develop them to potentially become one of our Top 2 midfielders?

I honestly don't know what sort of offer would have to be made for me to consider letting him go.  And I mean something that would be realistic.

These sort of trade suggestions make absolutely no sense to me.

Oliver is absolutely key to our premiership chance, as G.Lyon said probably already the best Demons midfielder ever, and he is still learning 

On 10/25/2020 at 4:51 PM, Demonland said:

The President has weighed in on Clayton Oliver.

On Oliver, who has been rumoured to be unhappy and on the radar of Carlton, Bartlett gave the strongest indication yet the midfielder would be at the Demons next year and reaffirmed the club’s interest in Ben Brown.

”Clarry will be playing for Melbourne,” he said.

“We love Clayton Oliver…"

Does Clayton Oliver love the Melbourne football club though? 

22 minutes ago, Dr evil said:

Does Clayton Oliver love the Melbourne football club though? 

Can't see why he doesn't... robust exit interview to point out his areas to improve, I'm expecting a Petracca type preseason