Training Ground?

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12 hours ago, Cards13 said:

It’s not just for the year, it’s “forever” from my take from Pert/Bartlett interviews over the last year.
Casey is the MCG sized training ground and any city ground is Docklands sized ground. 

Some players will be fine with it and others not, just like players who don’t want to travel to Dingley or Tullamarine or far western Sydney. 
 

Also the club has been pretty clear they’ve looked at all options within the inner Melb precinct via working groups, it’s not like they’ve missed an oval or 6 to explore... 

Spot on cards, it has been discussed before.

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4 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

I agree LN and I think there will be a lot of underwhelmed supporters when the hand I think they have known abouut for a long time is revealed. 

 

14 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

Goschs 

Why would we be underwhelmed if they manage to get all the authorities to agree to giving us the land to build our facilities around Goschs and expand it to MCG or Docklands size. That would be a massive win. 

If this does end up being the result I would say Pert and Bartlett's hands are tied behind their backs in being able to make any announcement as it is Govt land and multiple authorities will be contributing to it.  I'd say the lesson has well and truly been learnt from the premature announcement by the Club of Yarra Park.  

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1 hour ago, Chelly said:

No good - clubs are kicked off for about a month before, after and during the Grand Prix.

And it is a postage stamp have people ever been there?

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1 hour ago, It's Time said:

 

Why would we be underwhelmed if they manage to get all the authorities to agree to giving us the land to build our facilities around Goschs and expand it to MCG or Docklands size. That would be a massive win. 

If this does end up being the result I would say Pert and Bartlett's hands are tied behind their backs in being able to make any announcement as it is Govt land and multiple authorities will be contributing to it.  I'd say the lesson has well and truly been learnt from the premature announcement by the Club of Yarra Park.  

Well you are getting ahead of yourself. 

A proposal to expand to MCG size, not going to happen. I see dockland sized has crept into the discussion of late. Major facilities being built on public land by a labor Governement.  Not likely. Social facilities there will be a basketcase unless you are counting stray pidgeons.   You say barlett and perts hands are tied,  In your scenario it is wrong to descibe their hands as tied when it is simply part of a professional process. There hands are free when and if they pull this off and as it stands we are all still waiting. 

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18 hours ago, rjay said:

Greenvale to Moorabbin is not too great either 'daisy'...it's a pretty fair hike in traffic.

Greeenvale to Casey right now (according to Google maps): 51 minutes

Greenvale to Linton St right now: 70 minutes.

However, it's a public holiday. I suspect the trip to Casey probably wouldn't be much different on a work day but I would expect the trip to Morrabbin to be significantly impacted, adding perhaps an extra 5-10 minutes.

It's interesting that we considered McKernan and eventually went with Daw (if we add him to the list). Both are similar in that their best is impressive but they are both horribly inconsistent. The difference between their best and worst is enormous.

Edited March 8, 2021 by La Dee-vina Comedia

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46 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

Well you are getting ahead of yourself. 

A proposal to expand to MCG size, not going to happen. I see dockland sized has crept into the discussion of late. Major facilities being built on public land by a labor Governement.  Not likely. Social facilities there will be a basketcase unless you are counting stray pidgeons.   You say barlett and perts hands are tied,  In your scenario it is wrong to descibe their hands as tied when it is simply part of a professional process. There hands are free when and if they pull this off and as it stands we are all still waiting. 

Talk about taking comments out of context and twisting meaning. 

I did mention Docklands size if not MCG size. If the rugby and soccer grounds are switched to Goschs an MCG sized oval could fit in that area. 

The most likely package of land I see for a building is over the car park between AAMI and the Goschs fields. The car park could be retained and a building put over it. Not sure if that's out of the question. 

I talked about Bartlett and Pert's hands being tied in the context of not making an announcement till the Govt etc do. Wouldn't read too much into that.

None of these issues you have incorrectly raised answer the question of why you think supporters will be underwhelmed if Goschs ends up being the site. 

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3 minutes ago, It's Time said:

Talk about taking comments out of context and twisting meaning. 

I did mention Docklands size if not MCG size. If the rugby and soccer grounds are switched to Goschs an MCG sized oval could fit in that area. 

The most likely package of land I see for a building is over the car park between AAMI and the Goschs fields. The car park could be retained and a building put over it. Not sure if that's out of the question. 

I talked about Bartlett and Pert's hands being tied in the context of not making an announcement till the Govt etc do. Wouldn't read too much into that.

None of these issues you have incorrectly raised answer the question of why you think supporters will be underwhelmed if Goschs ends up being the site. 

Ok, to please your controlling personality I will answer your last question. it obviously is just an opinion, however  With all the constraints Goschs paddock  presents, you say , move rugby soccer grounds, why would they agree to that? resident objections to public parkland, promised mcg sized oval and so on it is almost certain a project, if it gets up will be underwhelming. Go take a stroll around our competitors home bases if you wish to feel a real footy club and community atmosphere.. In no particular order go to Carlton, Geelong, Bulldogs and even Arden St. 

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2 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

Goschs 

Then just announce it. There is nothing wrong with that precinct. We can stretch the ground , as a I understand it, as it isn’t marked as green-space. There is room for an adjacent facility. Just get it done

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14 hours ago, Better days ahead said:

If the MCG precinct falls over then we should look at Fisherman’s bend. Absolutely ripe for development and centrally located. 

 

Should go straight to Fisherman's bend -  the Govt desperate to fasttrack commercial development into this prescinct.  

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11 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Then just announce it. There is nothing wrong with that precinct. We can stretch the ground , as a I understand it, as it isn’t marked as green-space. There is room for an adjacent facility. Just get it done

USAGE

Gosch's Paddock and Olympic Park Oval remain public parkland, and are available to the general public during times when the fields are not being used for official training sessions. However, due to the high investment and demands in maintaining the turf to the required standard, M&OP reserves the right to restrict usage at our discretion. Groups should seek approval before using the training field areas for games or training purposes

So to expand the playing area means taking passive recreational space from public parkland. and the same applies to any building work.

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4 hours ago, BlackAttack said:

Not sure if it’s been mentioned but Caulfield racecourse could be an option. 
 

Horse training it set to cease at the racecourse in 2023 and then redeveloped into a local sporting precinct. 
 

Basically in the heartland of our supporter base, I think it could be good to have the club within the local sporting community of the area.
 

https://turfmate.com.au/sporting-clubs-could-be-playing-at-caulfield-racecourse/

It was and the current board dismissed it at the time, in favour of MCG precinct. 
OD is correct. No other options are or have been considered.
12 months was wasted on a plan for the MCG car park. Anyone who lives in Melbourne knows the East Melbourne residents wouldn’t allow that. Same as Stonnington council for Toorak Park.

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3 hours ago, The Jackson 6 said:

How many heartlands do we have?

Well the inner east, south/east would be our heartland 

These are the suburbs that have the most Melbourne members from data released by the club that was published in the Herald Sun a few years ago. Caulfield racecourse is basically on the door step of Glen Iris, Malvern and Caulfield North. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, Half forward flank said:

Well you are getting ahead of yourself. 

A proposal to expand to MCG size, not going to happen. I see dockland sized has crept into the discussion of late. Major facilities being built on public land by a labor Governement.  Not likely. 

Talk about NFI.

Three words: National Tennis Centre.

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Isn’t there sufficient lands at Docklands near the Bridge? At least trams can get there easily from the city and it would link to either Flinders Street or Southern Cross. The land is unattractive for any other use as people are now discovering. ?

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1 hour ago, Half forward flank said:

Ok, to please your controlling personality I will answer your last question. it obviously is just an opinion, however  With all the constraints Goschs paddock  presents, you say , move rugby soccer grounds, why would they agree to that? resident objections to public parkland, promised mcg sized oval and so on it is almost certain a project, if it gets up will be underwhelming. Go take a stroll around our competitors home bases if you wish to feel a real footy club and community atmosphere.. In no particular order go to Carlton, Geelong, Bulldogs and even Arden St. 

OK last roll of the dice.

To coin a phrase   What's with the negative vibes Moriarty. 

The area I suggested for the building is already an open air car park. So no loss of public amenity if it's retained under the building. As you point out the M & OP decide about use and accessibility of the land. It's up to them if they switch the fields between soccer, rugby and AFL. I'm not sure how much of a say the different sports would get especially if they still have their fields there. If they all fit in better then as they are already sports fields there is nothing for the community to complain about. They might have to remove and replant about 4 trees. Doubt that would stop it. 

Anyway we'll know in due course. 

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1 hour ago, RigidMiddleDigit said:

Talk about NFI.

Three words: National Tennis Centre.

The Australian Open promoting Melbourne and tourist dollars  V Elite Melbourne Footy Club

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4 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Greeenvale to Casey right now (according to Google maps): 51 minutes

Greenvale to Linton St right now: 70 minutes.

However, it's a public holiday. I suspect the trip to Casey probably wouldn't be much different on a work day but I would expect the trip to Morrabbin to be significantly impacted, adding perhaps an extra 5-10 minutes.

It's interesting that we considered McKernan and eventually went with Daw (if we add him to the list). Both are similar in that their best is impressive but they are both horribly inconsistent. The difference between their best and worst is enormous.

think you must have those figures wrong way around

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4 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Greeenvale to Casey right now (according to Google maps): 51 minutes

Greenvale to Linton St right now: 70 minutes.

However, it's a public holiday. I suspect the trip to Casey probably wouldn't be much different on a work day but I would expect the trip to Morrabbin to be significantly impacted, adding perhaps an extra 5-10 minutes.

It's interesting that we considered McKernan and eventually went with Daw (if we add him to the list). Both are similar in that their best is impressive but they are both horribly inconsistent. The difference between their best and worst is enormous.

As daisycutter has pointed out, the figures are back-to-front. Greenvale to Casey was 70 minutes; Greenvale to Linton St was 51 minutes.

Doesn't change my opinion that McKernan and Daw are both horribly inconsistent.

Apologies all. (And I can't edit my original post).

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4 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

The Australian Open promoting Melbourne and tourist dollars  V Elite Melbourne Footy Club

You said a Labour Govt would not spend on sport facilities on public land. Correcting the record. (It was also vehemently opposed by J Kennett.)

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1 hour ago, RigidMiddleDigit said:

You said a Labour Govt would not spend on sport facilities on public land. Correcting the record. (It was also vehemently opposed by J Kennett.)

i dislike kennett but what are you saying he opposed.

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13 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

i dislike kennett but what are you saying he opposed.

Absolutely. His Liberal-National Opposition tried to block it; ridiculed it as "Cain's Cathedral" until it was obviously a winner.

The Open until then was played at Kooyong. Here's a quiz: which lawn based tennis club in the eastern suburbs included Jeff Kennett in its membership at the time?

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3 minutes ago, RigidMiddleDigit said:

Absolutely. His Liberal-National Opposition tried to block it; ridiculed it as "Cain's Cathedral" until it was obviously a winner.

The Open until then was played at Kooyong. Here's a quiz: which lawn based tennis club in the eastern suburbs included Jeff Kennett in its membership at the time?

I am not here to support Kennett, so take your quiz somewhere else unless you wish to tell  me who legalised gaming in this State. And which had done more damage, Kennett opposing Melb Tennis centre or gambling being introduced which paved theway for Crown..

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11 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

I am not here to support Kennett, so take your quiz somewhere else unless you wish to tell  me who legalised gaming in this State. And which had done more damage, Kennett opposing Melb Tennis centre or gambling being introduced which paved theway for Crown..

Different matter. Both sides of politics were up for that and now, as predicted, state governments are the biggest gambling addicts of all.

Gaming, as in off-course betting (the TAB) was legalised by Bolte's Liberal Government but I think you're referring to pokies.

If you were around at the time you'd remember the clamour for many years from the media (Herald Sun/ 3AW in particular but I doubt they'd admit their role now) for pokies and casinos because, you see, money was flowing over the border to NSW into Leagues clubs.  It was always a mirage but the push for it was immense. Incidentally it was Jeff - again - who handed a ridiculous quantity of Southbank to Crown for a dose of Lloyd Williams overkill.

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11 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

I am not here to support Kennett, so take your quiz somewhere else unless you wish to tell  me who legalised gaming in this State. And which had done more damage, Kennett opposing Melb Tennis centre or gambling being introduced which paved theway for Crown..

Sorry to continue the history lesson but I just remembered that the bloke who built the Tennis Centre refused to legalise pokies and a casino because, wait for it, it would be used for money laundering and criminal activity. Go figure!

That decision followed a judicial inquiry Cain called in order to stave off the pressure for casinos, and he was howled down for knocking it back.  The pressure never really let up. People convinced themselves we needed a casino to be a modern city. What a joke.

I thought I should complete the picture. I won't bother you with this again since I have derailed the thread, although it was going nowhere anyway.

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It's off topic, but to clear the record, the two pieces of legislation to enable the casino and poker machines into Victoria were both introduced by Joan Kirner.