deanox 10,070 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 07/10/2019 at 21:55, Lord Nev said: “I love playing on the wing. Obviously you can get pigeonholed on the fat-side wing but Goody has specified being around the ball at the stoppages as well. “I’m a big body and I love being around the ball and using my frame. “That’s exactly what he spoke about when he caught up. It’s one of the reasons why I’m really keen to come to the club.” ? Expand On 08/10/2019 at 00:07, Jaded said: I wonder if they're thinking of using him as a backup ruck. It sure as [censored] beats having Tmac there, robbing us of our only key forward, with his dodgy foot / ankle / shoulder / leg / etc Expand I watching the AFL player tracker (live player GPS position during matches) during the finals to see where players from top clubs were moving. It was interesting to watch Tomlinson constantly take the "fat side" wing, dropping just behind the play in the hole. His role seemed to be a defensive winger, whose fast movement to position and aerial ability prevented the opposition from switching play, stopped a loose man getting space out the back. He found his way forward, trying to slip behind defense when GWS attacked: as he was on the far wing, he wasn't making the play but he was forcing opponents to match up on him and defend, so they couldn't be elsewhere. He isn't a high possession winner but his positioning seemed critical to defending and to providing options in attack. I also watched him compete against Grundy. Not fantastic but held his own, better than our pinch hitters do. 12 1 Quote
Little Goffy 14,963 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 03:30, Beetle said: I dunno... Expand Y'know, Tomlinson might also be Dutch. Tall. Blonde. Wore orange. Always plugging holes. Open to trade. Nowhere even close to any tigers. 2 2 Quote
Little Goffy 14,963 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 11:21, deanox said: I watching the AFL player tracker (live player GPS position during matches) during the finals to see where players from top clubs were moving. It was interesting to watch Tomlinson constantly take the "fat side" wing, dropping just behind the play in the hole. His role seemed to be a defensive winger, whose fast movement to position and aerial ability prevented the opposition from switching play, stopped a loose man getting space out the back. He found his way forward, trying to slip behind defense when GWS attacked: as he was on the far wing, he wasn't making the play but he was forcing opponents to match up on him and defend, so they couldn't be elsewhere. He isn't a high possession winner but his positioning seemed critical to defending and to providing options in attack. I also watched him compete against Grundy. Not fantastic but held his own, better than our pinch hitters do. Expand Suddenly I have absolute belief that he is a player we will get value out of. Nothing will help our defence more than a bit of extra cover making oppositino entries a bit more predictable. I mean, Lever, May and Hore all lean towards the 'reading the play' style rather than a pure one-on-one match. Golly gosh and gee whizz, I'm getting this odd inexplicable feeling that the club knows what it is doing here. Thanks for sharing the observations Deanox. 7 Quote
deanox 10,070 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 11:31, Little Goffy said: Suddenly I have absolute belief that he is a player we will get value out of. Nothing will help our defence more than a bit of extra cover making oppositino entries a bit more predictable. I mean, Lever, May and Hore all lean towards the 'reading the play' style rather than a pure one-on-one match. Golly gosh and gee whizz, I'm getting this odd inexplicable feeling that the club knows what it is doing here. Thanks for sharing the observations Deanox. Expand No worries. Watching this positioning over 3 GWS games helped me see value to us too. We have struggled on the wings, and I think it's because of lack ofstructure and smart positioning, not because of lack of foot speed (which I think is overrated compared to fast ball movement). This is why we tried "old heads" like Lewis and Jones out there. 2 way endurance running is one of the most important attributes in the modern game but it means nothing if you run mindlessly. 10 1 Quote
Moonshadow 17,678 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 Personally, I think we paid overs for Tomlinson... Oh, sorry... I thought this was the pessimists thread. My bad. 1 7 Quote
Dr. Gonzo 24,468 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 05:45, TGR said: Will be interesting when Clarko tries Frosty on the wing too....and 2nd ruck pinch hit. Expand I agree that would be interesting ? 1 Quote
Adam The God 30,736 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 11:39, Moonshadow said: Personally, I think we paid overs for Tomlinson... Oh, sorry... I thought this was the pessimists thread. My bad. Expand We're in a lot of trouble. Not only are we paying overs for Tomlinson, but we're losing our AA, Brownlow medalist utility God in Sam Frost. 5 1 Quote
WERRIDEE 5,638 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 09:43, monoccular said: ...do you mean struggle as in 24, 24 & 25 games the last three seasons, including finals? Are you suggesting that GW$$ would have more success without such a (to use a horrible term much loved by some negative posters here) a list clogger. Maybe he was "just s depth player" making up the numbers? Expand He's a depth player not a list clogger. If it wasn't for GWS's massive amount of injuries he would have played a lot less games. 1 1 Quote
Adam The God 30,736 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 12:00, WERRIDEE said: He's a depth player not a list clogger. If it wasn't for GWS's massive amount of injuries he would have played a lot less games. Expand A depth player doesn't play 24, 24 and 25 games. I don't think you quite understand the definition of a depth player. Depth players don't play every week. 1 Quote
WERRIDEE 5,638 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 12:05, A F said: A depth player doesn't play 24, 24 and 25 games. I don't think you quite understand the definition of a depth player. Depth players don't play every week. Expand As I said injuries kept him in the team. Quote
Adam The God 30,736 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 12:17, WERRIDEE said: As I said injuries kept him in the team. Expand Not for that long. It's true to say he's a utility, but not that he's a depth player. 2 1 Quote
Ethan Tremblay 31,388 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 12:17, WERRIDEE said: As I said injuries kept him in the team. Expand So they’ve had three years worth of injuries? 2 Quote
WERRIDEE 5,638 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 12:24, Ethan Tremblay said: So they’ve had three years worth of injuries? Expand You can't tell me he is in their best 22? Quote
Mel Bourne 4,541 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 12:17, WERRIDEE said: As I said injuries kept him in the team. Expand He’s also a Demon now, and therefore one of your/our favourite players. 2 Quote
Adam The God 30,736 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 12:25, WERRIDEE said: You can't tell me he is in their best 22? Expand He was in their best 22. 8 1 Quote
Ethan Tremblay 31,388 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 12:25, WERRIDEE said: You can't tell me he is in their best 22? Expand The fact he’s played every game in the last three years tells me he is. You’re attempting to find a negative in something that doesn’t exist. 3 1 Quote
WERRIDEE 5,638 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 12:26, Mel Bourne said: He’s also a Demon now, and therefore one of your/our favourite players. Expand That's true I hope he plays well it's just my gut instinct that tells me it could be a mistake. I'd prefer Frost in the team over him. 1 Quote
Adam The God 30,736 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) On 08/10/2019 at 12:24, Ethan Tremblay said: So they’ve had three years worth of injuries? Expand No. They've had 8 years of injuries. Tomlinson is terrible and only ever played a single game for GWS because of injuries. Edited October 8, 2019 by A F 2 4 Quote
hardtack 11,106 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 12:25, WERRIDEE said: You can't tell me he is in their best 22? Expand Are you seriously saying that injuries kept him in their fielded team (aka best 22), for 3 years on the trot? 2 Quote
WERRIDEE 5,638 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 12:30, hardtack said: Are you seriously saying that injuries kept him in their fielded team (aka best 22), for 3 years on the trot? Expand Most of the time yes especially this year. Deludio plays Tomlinson doesn't. Quote
Males 578 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 12:00, WERRIDEE said: He's a depth player not a list clogger. If it wasn't for GWS's massive amount of injuries he would have played a lot less games. Expand He’s played 86 out of their last 87 games, in a team with arguably the best depth in the league, that’s a fair effort. Do you class him as a depth player for gws, or for us too? 1 1 1 Quote
WERRIDEE 5,638 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 12:32, Males said: He’s played 86 out of their last 87 games, in a team with arguably the best depth in the league, that’s a fair effort. Do you class him as a depth player for gws, or for us too? Expand He's in our best 22, but that's not all that hard. 1 Quote
Adam The God 30,736 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) On 08/10/2019 at 12:34, WERRIDEE said: He's in our best 22, but that's not all that hard. Expand What's the problem here then? None of us care about GWS' best 22, just ours. Edited October 8, 2019 by A F 2 1 Quote
hardtack 11,106 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 12:32, WERRIDEE said: Most of the time yes especially this year. Deludio plays Tomlinson doesn't. Expand Yet Deledio played 7 games this year and Tomlinson played in every game. 4 Quote
WERRIDEE 5,638 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 12:37, hardtack said: Yet Deledio played 7 games this year and Tomlinson played in every game. Expand Deludio had injuries. Do you want me to put out GWS's best 22? Quote
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