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Just now, Demon Dude said:

implementing useless electronic devices that were never going to work is innovating the product is it? well I guess its an innovating way to blow 100k that's for sure.

correct - innovation is about iteration's ..and yes sometimes youfuckup 

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it all Fugazi  it's a Woosie  its just fairy dust.

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1 hour ago, Demon Dude said:

the sooner our game is rid of Gill and his mate Hocking the better. in a relatively short amount of time they've shown themselves to be completely out of touch and nothing but a couple of muddling morons.

The world is currently changing.

It's starting to 'spin backwards'. 

 

We witness those who haven't Won for such a long time... Win !..  ( Swans, Doggies, Tigers )   and we're seeing those corrupt world leaders at the top,  Lose !   Pell, and other international world leaders being brought to our justice.   Including organisations... and businesses, cartels. Drug dealers. et al.

 

We see climate change all of a sudden exposing itself in Australia in a robust way... after slowly showing itself for some decades.  With politicians refusing to act on the Science provided and spoken of, for the decades.

We have the hole in the Ozone.  The over-fishing of our Oceans.  The polluting of our Oceans with Plastics, which were introduced around the same time as we last Won a Premiership.

The worlds leadership's have been lacking in that time-frame. only looking in-front of themselves... with a big dose of self righteousness and over-confidence arrogance in their directions.

Melbourne has done very well at times when the world is in turmoil.  1920's, 30's, 40's, thru 50's...  and with the Hot-Gospelers leading us.

 

When will it tilt on it's Axis ???   will this be the big change ahead of a total change in direction ???   by the people  ?

Could it be when climate change really Rears its ugly heads. around the world...  could that be the time when the Bear has a go at the Eagle or vice versa. ahead of the changing of Axis ? 

The Triangle of so-called Evil...  is not who they all think it is.   No ONE is looking in their mirrors anymore.

 

So, as we slide away from the Male aspect of God,  towards the Female aspect of God....   Will the mighty Dees win one... before the tilt strikes,  and ahead of the NEW  ERA of life,  following the change of Axis.

 

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5 minutes ago, Demon Dude said:

please don't quote me, so I don't have to read through this sort of dribble, only to find there was no point to any of it.

sorry. done.

But it is in your mind now,  so you will recognise it some day. when it is in front of you.

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13 hours ago, DeezNuts said:

Wow, seriously? The AFL actually tested an idea in a practical sense before making the decision to act upon it????!!! (I’m actually impressed) 

In most industries we talk about: evidence-based, risk-informed, decision-making.

im not sure which of the 9 or so rule changes have been thoroughly tested, or to what level of quality, but for the AFL to not solely act on a brain fart is comforting ?

 

 

Yes, they had the good sense to squash the idea, so I give them some credit.

The AFL stopped it before it became an embarrassment.

Overall it seems like a stuff up. 

It seems like a decision made and announced on the run, without sufficient time on research, discussion and thought. 

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1 hour ago, Engorged Onion said:

I'd argue they're not out of touch @Demon Dude 

They're innovating the product.

Now then... I am nudging 40 - and I don't relate to all things they're bringing that surrounds the game - but they're trying to bring versions of the game to a younger market - AND don't forget that average age of players is around 23... they've all being brought up on devices, and are tech savvy... I'd argue that although you and I don't necessarily 'connect' with it - they have an understanding that the broader section of society that will follow the game in 10 years, 20 years will want shorter versions of the game with more 'insights/statistics' and grounded more with technology...let alone those who play the game themselves.

Maybe, but your use of the words "innovating the product" assumes that it is necessary to change the product to keep consumers (supporters) interested.  That the product needs to be changed. 

First, I am one of those folk who think footy is a game not a product and those that follow the footy are supporters or fans not consumers. I don't hear many people say that they are looking forward to watching the product on the weekend. 

Second, I get concerned about the use of marketing terms and the introduction of innovations that are intended to grow the market, and to ensure more opportunity for advertising and the growth of revenue streams. Will more people follow the footy or attend games due to product innovations?  

We have a game that has existed more or less in its present form for 160 years. The game has a history, culture and continuity that is unique. The continuity and uniqueness of our great game is one of the reasons why it remains popular. Why it is in the blood for many of us, why people refer to footy as a religion in Melbourne. 

The history and traditions of the game are important to maintain its continuity and on-going popularity.

Third, there is no sign that the existing game is waning in popularity. 

I am not sure that you have to innovate to keep young people interested. One of the things you notice at the footy is the large number of kids and young people (and women). It is a dubious assumption to think that you have to make changes to the game to maintain the interest of the young.  I don't get the feeling that young people at the footy are impatient or bored because the game is too long.  

Change is required when there is a demonstrated need for it. If evidence show that footy is losing its popularity and that fans are calling out for change then fair enough. Some of the rule changes this season have been sensible and will improve the spectacle.  No problem with that.

We need to be cautious about innovations or changes that dilute the appeal of the game as we know it.

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15 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Maybe, but your use of the words innovating the product, is part of the problem.

FIRST 

@hemingway - My personal stance on the need to redesign AFL for the youth market is one of cynicism - but the sport isn't just for me and my generation.  

But the marketing arm of the AFL - operate in that space and use that language - it is a product, thus, how do we maximise consumption? Let's jazz hand it up a bit 

Language evolves, from my vantage point - it in itself is not the problem.

The 'problem' is age old and about a simple schism in generational thinking...yeah yeah I know you know this @hemingway - you're a savvy cat. - ie: in the 50's - parents viewed Bill Haley as Ozzy Osbourne of the 70's and Marilyn Manson of the 90's

Things evolve - people are either open to it or not - it doesnt make the change either right or wrong...let's get buddhist on it.... it is what it is.

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the "game" and the "product" are totally different things

you don't fiddle the game to fix the product, nor vice-versa

the product is things like seating, facilities, catering, media deals etc and these need constant improvement/innovation

the game is ......obvious ..... and only needs change when players and coaches start to exploit the rules to the detriment of the game overall. change should be minimal and within the spirit of the game not the profit of the media barons nor the bonus incentives of afl execs

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1 hour ago, Engorged Onion said:

Things evolve - people are either open to it or not - it doesnt make the change either right or wrong...let's get buddhist on it.... it is what it is.

Nicely put EO. 

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Ethan sums it up perfectly...

No Fosbury...all Flop

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7 hours ago, Demon Dude said:

the sooner our game is rid of Gill and his mate Hocking the better. in a relatively short amount of time they've shown themselves to be completely out of touch and nothing but a couple of muddling morons.

DD - that is very insulting to the many decent muddling morons going around. 

3 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Imagine being the head of the AFL and your legacy after leaving the job is AFLX and Sideline Symbols. 

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Sadly, Gil hasn’t yet left the job though he has already, ably aided by Shocking, built up a legacy of stuffups and unnecessary fiddling. 

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