Training - Monday, 10th December 2018

[Demonland 73,165]

52 minutes ago, binman said:

Wind up warning. Good to see even admin struggle.

Tis the season. 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 hour ago, binman said:

Goody clearly rates smith very highly, given the decision to play him round 1 2017 and bring him in for wc.

Looks likely they will use him as a defensive forward, which I think is very clever. His kicking is not so exposed up forward, his leap means he can play tall and bring the ball to ground and his athleticism makes him a dangerous match up in his own right. Might see some hangers next season from sos.

Might be competing with hannan? Though i think there is room for both. 

 

His athleticism also means that he can be a weapon when the ball hits the deck with his pressure and tackling ability.  Goody loves to keep the ball in our half and lock it in for long periods, and J Smith can go a long way to helping us do this.

 

[Its Time for Another 4,293]

These photos are off my iPhone so apologies for quality. These are a sequence of the players doing the 150m sprints in pairs. You can see from the faces how hard they are working. 

This is KK and J Smith who were always the lead pair. You can see the next pair just starting. That's Miso first in on the right. He had a stop watch and was counting them off. A lot of them had their own heart rate monitors and timers on their wrists.

ANB and T Mac. You can see how they've matched pairs in their running ability

Good to see Fritschy already in his second season matched with the Skipper

Sparg's not throwing up yet but in a feet not touching the ground mood with JKH

Good to see Melk back in the main group at least for running and with his best mate. This is why we got both of them

These guys were always the last pair. Maynard is just getting back into full training after 6 months or so out. Not sure why Frosty is there.They weren't lagging too far behind although Maynard was tiring by the end. 

These two were separated from the rest. I reckon it's another sign of how professional the training is nowadays. Ruckmen clearly can't run like elite running midfielders so why make them try to compete against people they can't and don't need to because they have a different role. But put them against someone else they are closely matched two and they'll be able to push each other much further. Same goes for all the other pairs. It's smart organisation and attention to detail. What I also really like about this photo is the look on Gawny's face. This is not the joker Gawny face, this is the professional sportsman driving himself to continue to be the best player in the competition in his role. That is the very serious Gawny face fighting the pain barrier. You can also see what a monster Preussy is. This photo doesn't do him justice. He looks about 20% wider than Gawny. He's a huge package. I'm sure having Gawn to compete against constantly will be raising the bar for both of them. I'd love to know what it's like compared to what he was doing at North. Saty good question for you to find out. 

Best mates paired together. Attention to detail again. Happy players. Successful team. You can see the pain Hibbo's putting himself through. This is the preparation stuff we don't usually know about during the season. Funnily enough Melksh looks like he's suffering less even though he's just coming out of rehab. Shows you how they stay in rehab a long time because when they are released they are back up to the standard of the main group and can slot straight in to the main training.  

Wagner brothers paired together. I guess they did a lot of this at Casey but they must be loving it with the big boys. Petty is keeping up with them pretty comfortably. He looks like he's a very good package of skill and athleticism. 

This is the group jogging back between 150m sprints running past the trainers in red who were picking balls up for them to pass to each other and back as they jogged back to start the next 150m. 

Edited December 10, 2018 by It's Time

[Demonland 73,165]

Great photos @It's Time. These days the iPhone takes great shots and are better than the old digital point and shoots.

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1 minute ago, Demonland said:

Great photos @It's Time. These days the iPhone takes great shots and are better than the old digital point and shoots.

Yeh I agree. I thought cameras on phones was going to be a gimmick. But they turned out not to be. I wouldn't have had a camera with me as I wasn't planning to be there. I tried to play with them a bit but the quality deteriorated too much. But I was surprised how good they are considering they're just from a phone. 

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Good news. Just read someone on the Melbourne Football Club, The Mighty Demons Facebook page saying he attended training from the beginning and Lever was there running laps. But someone else posted an article saying he's not expecting to be back until mid season. Not sure if that's true or not but I thought ACL's were generally 12mths so that would be right. Might also be going super conservative after Docherty at Carlton ruptured his again yesterday after just coming back from 12mths recovery. 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,708]

22 hours ago, tiers said:

Frosty can be a weapon. The classic 80-100m players who can run away from any opposition and drive the ball long into the forward line.  It doesn't have to be "lace out" just so long as the opposition are put under pressure and forced to defend in our forward line.

Can't kick goals from anywhere else.

If used tactically and strategically at the right times will make a huge difference to the game plan.

Has his detractors on Demonland does Frosty, definitely agree he is a weapon with his speed and booming kick.

[hemingway 7,631]

Great reports. And love the constructive comments free from bitchiness. 

Very encouraging to read those comments about the past and the present. 

[hardtack 10,627]

11 hours ago, It's Time said:

Rose Bay. We actually met on a tour of the AAMI facilities some years ago. From memory your son played junior footy at Newtown and mine played for Easts Bulldogs and I coached there up to U17's. Hopefully your son's fully recovered from his ACL. 

Ah yes... my memory ain’t what it used to be.  If you’re not doing anything on Saturday, my band’s playing at the William Wallace pub in Balmain (first band at 5 and we start around 6:30 until 8pm). Come along and say hello.

Edited December 11, 2018 by hardtack

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14 hours ago, It's Time said:

I spent a night researching what makes you throw up in extreme exertion. It's a critical overload of acidic carbon dioxide in your stomach which you don't expel under exertion because you breath too fast and shallow to expel it all. The acid builds up in your stomach until it reaches a critical point and you have to throw up to get rid of it. 

I started breathing very deeply on major hill climbs. In order to do it I had to gulp air like a goldfish. Didn't look pretty but I've never thrown up again. I eventually adjusted to breath deeply without looking and feeling like a goldfish.  

I was always a spewer when training and racing.

For me, it was always a combination of busting a gut, literally running until I spewed and taking in food or fluid within 3 to 5 hours of exertion.  

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2 hours ago, hemingway said:

I was always a spewer when training and racing.

For me, it was always a combination of busting a gut, literally running until I spewed and taking in food or fluid within 3 to 5 hours of exertion.  

Were you a runner Ernest?

Edited December 11, 2018 by It's Time

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1 hour ago, hardtack said:

Ah yes... my memory ain’t what it used to be.  If you’re not doing anything on Saturday, my band’s playing at the William Wallace pub in Balmain (first band at 5 and we start around 6:30 until 8pm). Come along and say hello.

I would love to do that at some stage. This Saturday is crazy. Have 3 functions we’re meant to be going to. One of them in Melbourne which it looks like the better half is going to fly down to after we’ve spent all day at another one. 

[dazzledavey36 55,365]

Thats some of the best training I've read Its Time.. can you please move to Melbourne and post more often thanks!

Thanks to the others also for the finer details of training also!

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2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Thats some of the best training I've read Its Time.. can you please move to Melbourne and post more often thanks!

Thanks to the others also for the finer details of training also!

Thanks Dazzle. That’s high praise coming from you. Alas I’m lucky to get to training once every few years. 

Edited December 11, 2018 by It's Time

[hemingway 7,631]

14 minutes ago, It's Time said:

We’re you a runner Ernest?

Yes Gough. 

Middle distance 800/1500/5000.

 

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,944]

15 hours ago, chook fowler said:

I reckon Fritter will still be stinging from being dropped for the prelim final. I still can’t understand it myself.

May as well have played Fritch over Tyson in the prelim final.

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1 hour ago, hemingway said:

Yes Gough. 

Middle distance 800/1500/5000.

 

Nice. You have to be a certain age to get that. 

I did 1500's at school and 800's a bit after school. Broke an ankle playing footy in my late 20's that was the end of the very mediocre running and playing career. Been a cyclist every since. Alas only worked out how to stop throwing up a few years ago on the other side of middle age. There's a lot of people who would have preferred I'd worked that out many decades ago. 

Edited December 11, 2018 by It's Time

[hemingway 7,631]

16 minutes ago, It's Time said:

Nice. You have to be a certain age to get that. 

I did 1500's at school and 800's a bit after school. Broke an ankle playing footy in my late 20's that was the end of the very mediocre running and playing career. Been a cyclist every since. Alas only worked out how to stop throwing up a few years ago on the other side of middle age. There's a lot of people who would have preferred I'd worked that out many decades ago. 

All I know Gough, which is not much, is that my best races and training sessions ended with a spew. Carefully avoiding coach, other athletes and officials.

My favourite race was 800 but once I joined senior ranks and did not have the kick graduated to 1500-5k. I remember being well beaten to the line in a club race by a 400m runner, an Olympian of the day, who cruised past  me effortlessly with 250 to go. He was running an 800 for training and I realized that this was the future of 800m running at the national and international level. So I stopped taking the 800 seriously that day.

Once of my criticisms of Aus distance running over the years is that Aussies train and race for state and national success not international success. There are exceptions but this has been the normal practice. This means that most male and female athletes race at a shorter distance than they should.  The great Cuban Alberto Juantorena was an example of someone who got it. He raced in Mexico over 400 and 800 and on that day middle distance racing was changed forever at a world level. 

Cathy Freeman was an Olympic and World Champion 400m but gee she would have been unstoppable over 800m. I guess in her case, she didn't need to and only ever wanted to run 400m. She can't be criticized, but there are many other Aussies who would have performed better by racing at a longer distance than running their favourite distance.

Like you, I now ride a bike. 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, hemingway said:

All I know Gough, which is not much, is that my best races and training sessions ended with a spew. Carefully avoiding coach, other athletes and officials.

My favourite race was 800 but once I joined senior ranks and did not have the kick graduated to 1500-5k. I remember being well beaten to the line in a club race by a 400m runner, an Olympian of the day, who cruised past  me effortlessly with 250 to go. He was running an 800 for training and I realized that this was the future of 800m running at the national and international level. So I stopped taking the 800 seriously that day.

Once of my criticisms of Aus distance running over the years is that Aussies train and race for state and national success not international success. There are exceptions but this has been the normal practice. This means that most male and female athletes race at a shorter distance than they should.  The great Cuban Alberto Juantorena was an example of someone who got it. He raced in Mexico over 400 and 800 and on that day middle distance racing was changed forever at a world level. 

Cathy Freeman was an Olympic and World Champion 400m but gee she would have been unstoppable over 800m. I guess in her case, she didn't need to and only ever wanted to run 400m. She can't be criticised, but there are many other Aussies who would have performed better by racing at a longer distance than running their favourite distance.

Like you, I now ride a bike. 

 

 

Interesting info. I only ran a few 400's. Isn't it known as the toughest race because its the perfect distance for lactic acid overload. I remember completely seizing up after a couple. I wasn't much of a runner. 

Where do you ride? Is it Adelaide?

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9 minutes ago, It's Time said:

Interesting info. I only ran a few 400's. Isn't it known as the toughest race because its the perfect distance for lactic acid overload. I remember completely seizing up after a couple. I wasn't much of a runner. 

Where do you ride? Is it Adelaide?

Your comments about the 400 are basically correct without going to the physiology details. And as you know, the whole race is flat chat so somewhere between 200 and 400 the bear will get you. By the time you have 50 to run its well and truly on your back.

Now riding back in the big V.   Certainly miss the courtesy of SA drivers and the fact that the roads are so quiet. Here its getting increasingly stressful so I ride defensively all the time as I do when I drive. Fav rides include Beach Rd, Albert Park and Burnley and Kew Boulevard. Beach Road is becoming very stressful for cars and other riders  Also enjoy country rides.

Edited December 11, 2018 by hemingway

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

7 minutes ago, hemingway said:

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My favourite race was 800 but once I joined senior ranks and did not have the kick graduated to 1500-5k. I remember being well beaten to the line in a club race by a 400m runner, an Olympian of the day, who cruised past  me effortlessly with 250 to go. He was running an 800 for training and I realized that this was the future of 800m running at the national and international level. So I stopped taking the 800 seriously that day.

I know how you felt Hemingway. Cairns often gets State swimming teams in winter training at the fancy, FINA certified Tobruk pool.

One morning I was training in the lane next to some girl wearing an Australian cap who could not of been more than 17 years old. I was doing 200m freestyle sets. She was doing butterfly kick, no arms, just kick and was still going past me. And I’m pretty sure it was just her warm up. 

For me it doesn’t matter if it is a stage show or sport it is always a privilege to watch someone who is truly world class. I am no great swimmer but she could have been a different specie. 

 

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9 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Your comments about the 400 are basically correct without going to the physiology details. And as you know, the whole race is flat chat so somewhere between 200 and 400 the bear will get you. By the time you have 50 to run its well and truly on your back.

Now riding back in the big V.   Certainly miss the courtesy of SA drivers and the fact that the roads are so quiet. Here its getting increasingly stressful so I ride defensively all the time as I do when I drive. Fav rides include Beach Rd, Albert Park and Burnley and Kew Boulevard. Beach Road is becoming very stressful for cars and other riders  Also enjoy country rides.

I have some mates i ride with in Melbourne from time to time and also out of town. Maybe we could link up for a cruise to Mordialloc and a coffee with them at some stage. We went up to Bright in April and rode Hotham and Buffalo. Great experience. Maxy Gawn rode the 3 Peaks challenge last year which is Tawonga Gap, Hotham and the back of Falls Creek. It has a time limit. Amazing effort for anyone but especially someone who's 208cm. No doubt set up his pre season when could walk again. 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

May as well have played Fritch over Tyson in the prelim final.

Don't get me started.

Edited December 11, 2018 by stevethemanjordan

[Demonland 73,165]

Here is the circle jumping set to some 90s Hip Hop.

 

[hemingway 7,631]

13 minutes ago, FarNorthernD said:

I know how you felt Hemingway. Cairns often gets State swimming teams in winter training at the fancy, FINA certified Tobruk pool.

One morning I was training in the lane next to some girl wearing an Australian cap who could not of been more than 17 years old. I was doing 200m freestyle sets. She was doing butterfly kick, no arms, just kick and was still going past me. And I’m pretty sure it was just her warm up. 

For me it doesn’t matter if it is a stage show or sport it is always a privilege to watch someone who is truly world class. I am no great swimmer but she could have been a different specie. 

 

So true, its very special to see a champion run or compete in any sport.

You realize there are the good, the very good, and the outright champions who are a different species altogether. I raced at a level where I came up against guys that you knew were just that much better and no amount of training was going to make up the gap.