On 7/1/2018 at 8:44 PM, DeeSpencer said:

Spargo and Tim Smith in first. 

But with Jeff it's getting to the stage where you just throw him back in and see what happens. 7 tackles is better. Although watching the second half of Casey there were numerous times Garlett was afraid to go get the ball and skipped over it or meekly flung an arm out.

Team mates lose faith in guys who don't go when it's their turn and that's not what we need right now even if the speed would help.

And team mates love goals.

Smith is an entirely different type to Jeffy ( role )  Just how many do we need to fly for a mark ??

Garlett is an intuitive player... He doesnt fit the new mould that the FD have created. Jeffy knows when zigging is preferential to zagging..A lot of our lot just zag now because they are told to zag....and they all zag in each others way.

Jeffy will find it hard to get back in the side whilst some block the door ( and they might not be players   ) 

Jurrah wouldnt get a game today for us

1 hour ago, timbo said:

Are they your values or the team ones.

They certainly are mine, and I would hope that's fairly close to the clubs/teams.

11 hours ago, DV8 said:

Were you for or against Watts going last year, LH ?

Hope that isn't a 'loaded' question...

...I respect your posts so will take it at face value and say I was against Watts going.  

...not sure what Watts has to do with this thread...

Edited July 3, 20186 yr by Lucifer's Hero

On 7/1/2018 at 9:14 AM, Billy said:

He had 7 possessions, that’s not going to get it done

A forward line without a speedy crumber who can snag a goal and apply manic pressure ain't going to get it done, is not getting it done.

I find it strange to tell the truth that a fwd pocket sneak ...whos probably capable of 30-40 goals a year in a canter is judged as though he was a back pocket defender.

All seems back to front.

I'd like to see the club put as much effort into pressing the right buttons to get the magic out of Jeff as they do with their box-ticking at VFL level.

We've all seen him hot and cold and getting back in the team in the past hasn't been on the back of VFL form. He's also switched from being hot and cold and vice versa in the space of a game.

I'd rather see him crumbing than ANB any day of the week.

I'd also hate to see him lost to the habits/behaviours/journeys/narrative pulava.

Whilst acknowledging my bias towards having him in the team and hoping there aren't other reasons for his omissions, I see so many occasions where he'd make something of nothing in our (occasionally dysfunctional) forward line.

13 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Hope that isn't a 'loaded' question...

...I respect your posts so will take it at face value and say I was against Watts going.  

...not sure what Watts has to do with this thread...

loaded, I don't think so?

No, what I'm getting at is that watts and garlett both suffer the similar weaknesses. And both are feeling the same treatment in response.

So I think the writing is on the wall for any on our list, that don't like to, or won't put the head in, when its required.

On 7/2/2018 at 10:30 AM, Lucifer's Hero said:

Jeffy didn't get any love from Goodwin in his press conf yesterday when asked about possible ins next week.

Can someone please remind me what he did wrong to get dropped?  He was on track for a 45-50 goal season, had good tackle numbers and reasonable clearances numbers when asked to play midfield.  And, last hear he was in the top 3 small forwards for forward pressure. 

He is our most dangerous small forward, has footy smarts and the experience to go with them.  So I don't get the lack of love.  Are our players with flair and talent who can impact a game being overlooked for the solid citizens? 

His possessions weren't high but a small forward is never going to get a lot of the ball (either at AFL or VFL) so if that is what everyone is waiting for, then he may never get back.  As noted above his other 2016/17 stats and form showed he was tracking well, given that we lost most of the 2017 games he played in so he wasn't the only one down on form.

I hope the coaches aren't trying to make him another vanilla hybrid-forward/mid. 

He played well against Brisbane and snuck on the end of a few against North but his games against Geelong, Hawthorn and Richmond were about as bad as I've seen from an AFL player.

He wasn't getting front and centre to the packs, he wasn't tackling and particularly against Richmond and Hawthorn where he had 6 and 5 possessions he didn't even want the ball. There were moments in both of those games where he had a chance to run on to a loose ball under very little pressure and refused to do so.

The coaches aren't going to just put a guy straight back in after they've done that. And Garlett has been doing that since about half way through last year when a near AA season turned in to very poor form and bad habits in the second half of the year.

It's also worth noting that whilst he's probably better suited in a different role that Hannan has actually done the job more weeks than not until recently. He had a poor game against the Pies but bounced back with a good pressure effort against the Power (as did the entire side) and had 5 shots on goal. Had an absolute stinker against St Kilda and it might cost him his spot.

I hope we keep close tabs on Cyril Rioli. Could even sign him and leave him up North until the season starts then get him fit. He's what we need.

if the club wants another look at jeffy then darwin would be the most obvious game to do it

not only do we have problems in fwd conversion but jeffy generally puts on a good performance in the warmer NT

we need to find out if he's a keeper and this is a good opportunity

10 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

if the club wants another look at jeffy then darwin would be the most obvious game to do it

not only do we have problems in fwd conversion but jeffy generally puts on a good performance in the warmer NT

we need to find out if he's a keeper and this is a good opportunity

Why is it that every player has to be a hard at it defender? IMO part of the problem at the Dees is we are trying to change the way every player plays. Why is our best Full forward being played way up field? Back to basics might help. Play the full forward at full forward and play the half forward there as well.

50 minutes ago, old dee said:

Why is it that every player has to be a hard at it defender? IMO part of the problem at the Dees is we are trying to change the way every player plays. Why is our best Full forward being played way up field? Back to basics might help. Play the full forward at full forward and play the half forward there as well.

And I could accept that team mantra of every player being a hard at it defender if we were defending but we are failing miserably to defend up forward or through the midfield which then leaves our actual defenders, shall we say defenceless! 

All the better sides have worked us out, it’s time for a change in stratgies, Spargo, Jeffy and Stretch need some game time. 

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Why is it that every player has to be a hard at it defender? IMO part of the problem at the Dees is we are trying to change the way every player plays. Why is our best Full forward being played way up field? Back to basics might help. Play the full forward at full forward and play the half forward there as well.

ahhhh Nail on Head

Far too simple OD....pass the koolaid ...:)