Gaff would be a great addition to our midfield, I’m not sure what B&F wins and Brownlow finishes has to do with this. Every club would love Jesse Hogan. 

Edited June 17, 20186 yr by Ethan Tremblay

21 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

He hasn't managed a West Coast B&F 

He won it in 2015...

5 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

He won it in 2015...

So he has gone backwards, my point, he lacks consistency, when it gets hot he disappears

He is an outside accumulator

Everybody is entitled to an opinion, personally to paraphrase Talking Footy 'overrated' for me

3 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

So he has gone backwards, my point, he lacks consistency, when it gets hot he disappears

He is an outside accumulator

Everybody is entitled to an opinion, personally to paraphrase Talking Footy 'overrated' for me

Lacks consistency? He’s one of this years brownlow favourites ffs. 

5 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

So he has gone backwards, my point, he lacks consistency, when it gets hot he disappears

He is an outside accumulator

Everybody is entitled to an opinion, personally to paraphrase Talking Footy 'overrated' for me

Gone backwards? He’s having his best year yet. So if a player doesn’t continually back up their B&F year they’ve gone backwards? 

3 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

So he has gone backwards, my point, he lacks consistency, when it gets hot he disappears

He is an outside accumulator

Everybody is entitled to an opinion, personally to paraphrase Talking Footy 'overrated' for me

With all due respect Saty, I think you are wrong here.

Last year against Port in an elimination final he had 34 touches. Then in the next final he had 25, so hardly went missing when the heat was on.

Grand Final in 2015 he had 34 also. So I think he has proven that he can stand up in big games.

While he is obviously not a brute in the middle like Oliver, he's a different type of player and one we don't really have. I don't believe he is worth any more than $700k a season though, unlike someone like Oliver who in 2-3 years will be easily worth over a mill a season. 

11 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Gone backwards? He’s having his best year yet. So if a player doesn’t continually back up their B&F year they’ve gone backwards? 

The whole team is playing well, at the weekend against Sydney, he went missing again when the heat was on, my knock on him

He is an accumulator, would prefer to keep developing Stretch

16 minutes ago, SFebey said:

Lacks consistency? He’s one of this years brownlow favourites ffs

Media, I pay no attention to the media, do you?

 

15 minutes ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

With all due respect Saty, I think you are wrong here.

Last year against Port in an elimination final he had 34 touches. Then in the next final he had 25, so hardly went missing when the heat was on.

Grand Final in 2015 he had 34 also. So I think he has proven that he can stand up in big games.

While he is obviously not a brute in the middle like Oliver, he's a different type of player and one we don't really have. I don't believe he is worth any more than $700k a season though, unlike someone like Oliver who in 2-3 years will be easily worth over a mill a season. 

What does he actually bring, we are averaging a tick under 100 points a game lately so moving the ball isn't the issue everybody seems to think it is

5 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

What does he actually bring, we are averaging a tick under 100 points a game lately so moving the ball isn't the issue everybody seems to think it is

He's an upgrade on guys like Vince & Lewis. Why shouldn't we be looking to create the most dominant team in the AFL?

Plus with Jones likely to be moved out of the midfield more over the next few years, we need additional talent in there.

7 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

What does he actually bring, we are averaging a tick under 100 points a game lately so moving the ball isn't the issue everybody seems to think it is

Who do you want?

54 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

Third in 2016 and 11th in 2015.  I couldn't be bothered looking any further so there may be others.

 

 

40 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

He won it in 2015...

Hey fellas, don't let facts and reason get in the way of unfounded opinions 

1 minute ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

He's an upgrade on guys like Vince & Lewis. Why shouldn't we be looking to create the most dominant team in the AFL?

Plus with Jones likely to be moved out of the midfield more over the next few years, we need additional talent in there.

So he is going to play halfback?

Lewis and Vince don't rotate through there much any more

I have never been a fan of Gaff, if the footy dept are and get him, fine, I will have no issue

2 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

 

Hey fellas, don't let facts and reason get in the way of unfounded opinions 

Why is it unfounded, is yours because I don't agree with it

The point I continually raise on here, mob rules, if you don't agree YOU ARE WRONG

2 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

 

Hey fellas, don't let facts and reason get in the way of unfounded opinions 

“He hasn’t won a B&F or finished high in the Brownlow” 

Response: “He won the clubs B&F in 2015 and has finished as high as third in the Brownlow”

”That’s my point..” 

5 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

So he is going to play halfback?

Lewis and Vince don't rotate through there much any more

I have never been a fan of Gaff, if the footy dept are and get him, fine, I will have no issue

No Jones will likely move back there and replace Vince and Lewis.

All I'm saying is we need to always be looking to improve, not just be content with where we are at.

11 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Why is it unfounded, is yours because I don't agree with it

The point I continually raise on here, mob rules, if you don't agree YOU ARE WRONG

It's unfounded when based on clearly incorrect facts, or a sample using only Friday night's game vs Swans. We might listen f you made a case based upon reason and real facts without the woe is me

Edited June 17, 20186 yr by Moonshadow

Gaff is a power runner. Like ANB but with more experience and class. These kinds of players are increasingly valuable as powerful 2 way running is what allows us to cover structural gaps when there is a turnover. It also allows us to run in waves when we cause a turnover. 

I get pretty excited when I think of a team containing Tmac, Hogan, ANB and Gaff. I wouldn't sell the farm to recruit him as I think we're are growing something pretty special and we're need to look at the salary balance but i would have a red hot go

11 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

“He hasn’t won a B&F or finished high in the Brownlow” 

Response: “He won the clubs B&F in 2015 and has finished as high as third in the Brownlow”

”That’s my point..” 

The guy has had his pants pulled down, but doesn't have the class to admit it. 

7 minutes ago, ProDee said:

The guy has had his pants pulled down, but doesn't have the class to admit it. 

My response was to @picket fence who called him a superstar, when he won in 2015, even West Coast supporters were surprised

Every year on here a player gets turned into the second coming because supposedly he is interested in coming to Melbourne

My opinion is Gaff is an accumulator, and his defence is questionable prefer to develop Stretch

The Sydney game showed the 'real' Gaff, the heat was on and he went missing, happened in the past

Now if it was Shuey, would be over there helping him pack

57 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Gone backwards? He’s having his best year yet. So if a player doesn’t continually back up their B&F year they’ve gone backwards? 

i've made my point on Gaff before but a slow outside player that is poor defensively isnt what we need. was barely in their best 22 last season if we want to be honest about his form. 

tell me how in games against collingwood and hawthorn where we were exposed for leg speed that Gaff is going to help us

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Straight to a trade. 

yeah, but isn't that just splitting hairs

jeelong wasn't going to pay dangermouse what he was worth on the open market (hence possibly poorer compo pick) and cows were prepared to match the offer (not posed officially under fa) if it came to that, so they went the trade, but it was because they knew the cows would match the offer and they couldn't risk it going to the draft or him staying.

5 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

My response was to @picket fence who called him a superstar, when he won in 2015, even West Coast supporters were surprised

Every year on here a player gets turned into the second coming because supposedly he is interested in coming to Melbourne

My opinion is Gaff is an accumulator, and his defence is questionable prefer to develop Stretch

The Sydney game showed the 'real' Gaff, the heat was on and he went missing, happened in the past

Now if it was Shuey, would be over there helping him pack

I'm sorry but stretch looks like a deer caught in the headlights when he gets the ball. Time and again he looks good at VFL and then fails miserably at AFL. I can't see the point in sinking more time into him.

Edited June 17, 20186 yr by FlashInThePan

7 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

My response was to @picket fence who called him a superstar, when he won in 2015, even West Coast supporters were surprised

Every year on here a player gets turned into the second coming because supposedly he is interested in coming to Melbourne

My opinion is Gaff is an accumulator, and his defence is questionable prefer to develop Stretch

The Sydney game showed the 'real' Gaff, the heat was on and he went missing, happened in the past

Now if it was Shuey, would be over there helping him pack

Your opinion on Gaff also said he’d never won a BnF or finished high in a Brownlow also, you were clearly wrong which makes your other opinions irrelevant and poorly researched, admit you were wrong....

Oh and Stretch ahead of Gaff is ridiculous, he’s never shown anything apart from being a great trainer, rabbit in the headlights and no speed, spends most of his time running around in circles.

Edited June 17, 20186 yr by SFebey

@Satyriconhome I get what you are saying in that we tend to overrate opposition players and possibly we are thinking that Gaff will solve all our issues and be our messiah. 

However he is a proven performer, he’s had many great seasons, the best is still ahead of him, he is a Brownlow fancy, and Sydney put a hard tag on him and he still had 24, 6 clearances and 6 inside 50s. I love billy and ANB but they aren’t getting a hard tag. 

If he does get tagged out of games at the dees, then think about the space Brayshaw and Salem will get. 

He might not be the messiah, we might overrate him, but he will make our side better and that’s enough for me. 

6 minutes ago, SFebey said:

Your opinion on Gaff also said he’d never won a BnF or finished high in a Brownlow also, you were clearly wrong which makes your other opinions irrelevant and poorly researched, admit you were wrong....

Oh and Stretch ahead of Gaff is ridiculous, he’s never shown anything apart from being a great trainer, rabbit in the headlights and no speed, spends most of his time running around in circles.

A superstar wins B&F consistently and wins the Brownlow, my answer to Picket, his win in 2015 surprised everybody, and that was a couple of years ago, he is an accumulator, and he is not fast, where this impression comes from I have no idea

Doesn't matter about my opinion, it is my opinion, so it is not irrelevant

Stretch is being developed, it may work, it may not