On 21/08/2017 at 10:26, spirit of norm smith said:

Frost and 1st rounder #12 

swap for

Lever and crows 2nd round #36

Weighted too much our way Norm.

Think the Lever/Watts/Gibbs three club deal has legs. Maybe our 2017 second rounder to Adelaide as well. We lose Watts and 2nd round pick and gain Lever.

Having said that, I like Watts and would be sad to see him traded

Will adelaide want 2 first rounders for him?

  On 21/08/2017 at 09:54, layzie said:

Enough with the dogs. They've had KPP problems for years don't try to fix them now and stuff us up!

Their power forward is looking risky.

  On 21/08/2017 at 11:14, qarocks said:

Will adelaide want 2 first rounders for him?

What they want and what they get are two different things. This is not the Neeld era anymore. The adults are in charge now

Let's take McGovern as well.

Frankly, I would rather sacrifice two first rounders and keep Watts (and Frost)! Watts has been here through the bad times and (recent matches aside) was really showing what he was capable of over the last twelve months. Like Hogan, he can be a game-changer when on fire and I would hate to see that happen with Carlton of all teams.

i would rather lose pick 12 this year and (optimistically) pick 18 next year and have both Lever and Watts helping us make a serious tilt at the 2018 Premiership!

Wow, last week it was Hogan now Watts is being thrown around on the trade table. smh

  On 21/08/2017 at 12:47, 3Dee said:

Wow, last week it was Hogan now Watts is being thrown around on the trade table. smh

Yes a week or two in footy can change opinions hugely. Frost is still young and we have praised him most of the year untill loss in form.
Personally I was afraid Brayshaw would never make it back as classy as he did and so soon.
Watts has been a match winner many times and we can't seriously expect to gain anything short term from dealing him to help us in our window. He is reaching a mature peak. Pedo perfect example.

Personally I would give 2 first rounders for Lever. Not a player.
For starters Lever is one of the first rounders, and we will likely finish high next year so say pick 13+ we would be giving away.
We are in the window now for many years to come and a young Lever can be a pillar for the next decade of that.
 

  On 21/08/2017 at 10:26, spirit of norm smith said:

Frost and 1st rounder #12 

swap for

Lever and crows 2nd round #36

Not sure how you are going to trade Frost. He is out of contract.

  On 21/08/2017 at 13:07, jnrmac said:

Not sure how you are going to trade Frost. He is out of contract.

You can trade out of contract players

  On 21/08/2017 at 13:07, jnrmac said:

Not sure how you are going to trade Frost. He is out of contract.

Not sure Frost will give us any Leverage

 

Sorry.....

I liked it

Lever is No.1 in Afl for intercept marks per game at 9.69 per game.
Frost at No.27 at 6.50.

So effectively if Lever replaced him we are statistically say a goal to the better per game?

That's huge.

Edited August 21, 20177 yr by kurtneverdied

  On 21/08/2017 at 13:31, kurtneverdied said:

Lever is No.1 in Afl for intercept marks per game at 9.69 per game.
Frost at No.27 at 6.50.

So effectively if Lever replaced him we are statistically say a goal to the better per game?

That's huge.

9.69 marks per a game. Surely not 9.69 intercept marks per game

  On 21/08/2017 at 13:43, Stevienic23 said:

9.69 marks per a game. Surely not 9.69 intercept marks per game

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_rankings?year=2017&rt=LA&st=IT

I meant intercepts only not intercept marks

Edited August 21, 20177 yr by kurtneverdied

I've got an idea. Trade Trengove to Richmond for their first rounder. Trade that to Adelaide for Lever. Oh wait a minute........

 

  On 21/08/2017 at 14:13, kurtneverdied said:

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_rankings?year=2017&rt=LA&st=IT

I meant intercepts only not intercept marks

Lever 1st

Frost 27th

Oscar 33rd

 

Enough said.

 

edit - well not enough said, they do play different roles. Didnt expect Oscar to be too high as our main tall back. 

Edited August 21, 20177 yr by Petraccattack

  On 21/08/2017 at 15:15, Petraccattack said:

Lever 1st

Frost 27th

Oscar 33rd

 

Enough said.

 

edit - well not enough said, they do play different roles. Didnt expect Oscar to be too high as our main tall back. 

Whoever is #1 at hitting targets inside 50 should be the next trade after lever if we can get him, we must be ranked 17 at this, only slightly better than Collingwood.

^

I find it funny that posters play down the importance of an effective intercept player. Almost as though they have an easier job than a player who doesn't have the same intercept ability.

The fact that Lever is number 1 on the list as a key defender at the same age as O-Mac and similar games is mind blowing. 

Do supporters understand that intercept players also have opponents to play on too?

Hibberd is our best intercept player and sits at number 9 on that list and he's arguably now one of our most important players.

Imagine having a key defender version of him..

  On 21/08/2017 at 22:43, stevethemanjordan said:

^

I find it funny that posters play down the importance of an effective intercept player. Almost as though they have an easier job than a player who doesn't have the same intercept ability.

The fact that Lever is number 1 on the list as a key defender at the same age as O-Mac and similar games is mind blowing. 

Do supporters understand that intercept players also have opponents to play on too?

Hibberd is our best intercept player and sits at number 9 on that list and he's arguably now one of our most important players.

Imagine having a key defender version of him..

No doubt about it. Someone who can guard the big guys but also judge the ball in flight and take a good grab. Crucial if not more important in the modern game.

  On 21/08/2017 at 22:43, stevethemanjordan said:

^

I find it funny that posters play down the importance of an effective intercept player. Almost as though they have an easier job than a player who doesn't have the same intercept ability.

The fact that Lever is number 1 on the list as a key defender at the same age as O-Mac and similar games is mind blowing. 

Do supporters understand that intercept players also have opponents to play on too?

Hibberd is our best intercept player and sits at number 9 on that list and he's arguably now one of our most important players.

Imagine having a key defender version of him..

Isn't that Jeremy Howe fella a good intercept mark, maybe we can trade for him? 

  On 21/08/2017 at 23:02, SFebey said:

Isn't that Jeremy Howe fella a good intercept mark, maybe we can trade for him? 

Take away Jeremy's marking and he's pretty rubbish. Lacks any real natural defensive foundation to his game because he was a forward as a junior.

Lever trumps him in most facets of the game by some margin.

  On 21/08/2017 at 22:43, stevethemanjordan said:

^

I find it funny that posters play down the importance of an effective intercept player. Almost as though they have an easier job than a player who doesn't have the same intercept ability.

The fact that Lever is number 1 on the list as a key defender at the same age as O-Mac and similar games is mind blowing. 

Do supporters understand that intercept players also have opponents to play on too?

Hibberd is our best intercept player and sits at number 9 on that list and he's arguably now one of our most important players.

Imagine having a key defender version of him..

Not sure why this has turned into a Lever vs Oscar thread, they would play in the same team if Lever came to us. With Adelaide, Lever plays with Talia and Hartigan/Keith as the 2 'bigger' guys and also has Jake Kelly in the mix. Ideally we'd have Lever, TMac, OMac and Hibberd, which I think would be an even better combination than Adelaide's. OMac incidentally average's around the same intercepts as both Talia and Hartigan. 

  On 21/08/2017 at 23:15, stevethemanjordan said:

Take away Jeremy's marking and he's pretty rubbish. Lacks any real natural defensive foundation to his game because he was a forward as a junior.

Lever trumps him in most facets of the game by some margin.

I could not have made it any clearer that I was joking...

I'd still have him back in a heartbeat!