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The 'beautiful" thing about this...is we have thrown them ( efc ) 

 

Show TWSNBN the cut of your jibbed Hibberd

2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

pick new words.....same thing...iT IS a game of blink... Weve been bent over in the past.....No more

 

Saty the power in negotiations is the affordability to walk away...We can. 

yeah...Hibberd.... but......

Spot on. 

Essendon have a player that wants out. We want him but have the pick in our keep and could otherwise use it well, especially given we don't have a first rounder. We might give it up..... or not.

Who blinks first?

 
7 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

pick new words.....same thing...iT IS a game of blink... Weve been bent over in the past.....No more

Saty the power in negotiations is the affordability to walk away...We can. 

yeah...Hibberd.... but......

So to become a destination club......we burn a player to make a point that we won't be messed with at the trade table

No. We take the option which best works for us. That's what all clubs do. It's the nature of the business.


9 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

So to become a destination club......we burn a player to make a point that we won't be messed with at the trade table

fmd  its nothing about being a destination club...is nothing to do with the player...its ABOUT negotiating with the OTHER club

yours is the Stawmans argument.. burning..really., lol

11 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

No. We take the option which best works for us. That's what all clubs do. It's the nature of the business.

So you would be happy to burn a player who has nominated us as his club of choice, [censored] off the new coach coz he is the one who has obviously pushed out the boat for Hibberd, just to prove we have a bigger dick at the trade table?

Just now, Satyriconhome said:

So you would be happy to burn a player who has nominated us as his club of choice, [censored] off the new coach coz he is the one who has obviously pushed out the boat for Hibberd just to prove we have a bigger dick at the trade table?

youd be happy to pay OVERS  just to be....whatever

 

 

 
3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

youd be happy to pay OVERS  just to be....whatever

 

 

No, that was my point that there will be more than one offer between the clubs, both will go away and look at all scenarios, I would be very surprised if the deal ended up as just one pick

Edited by Satyriconhome

29 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

pick new words.....same thing...iT IS a game of blink... Weve been bent over in the past.....No more

Saty the power in negotiations is the affordability to walk away...We can. 

yeah...Hibberd.... but......

That we traded #25 and a 4year 400k contract for Melk suggests that we should be able to have that luxury and that we can trust him to not only hold his place but excel at being a rebounding half back. Hibberd shouldn't be in such desperate need. i'm sure he's valuable at that pick - but not so valuable as to compromise any bigger picture trade ideas we might have this year.

I just hope that Melksham steps up to the plate, if we were to walk away from the Hibberd trade and go to the draft/use it elsewhere.

Edited by DominatrixTyson


1 minute ago, Satyriconhome said:

No, that was my point that there will be more than one offer between the clubs, both will go away and look at all scenarios, a would be very surprised if the deal ended up as just one pick

there may well be variances..  hypothetically   say  next years 2nd and and exchange of latter picks for this years say

if that then it ONLY occurred because we jogged their position.

Thing is...EFC have mentally spent what they thought they would get.....thats their arrogant way.  Difference is...we know it ...possibly prepared to test it.,  Go you good Dees

Unless Hibberd is prepared to stay at the Bombers on rookie wages, we have them over a barrel. They've renegotiated contracts for the likes of Hurley on the assumption that Hibberd was leaving, and didn't try to match our contract offer to Hibberd.

Why would we give them anything other than what suits us, and that is next years 2nd rounder. Take it or leave it.

2 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

No, that was my point that there will be more than one offer between the clubs, both will go away and look at all scenarios, I would be very surprised if the deal ended up as just one pick

Last year's round two pick for Melksham was hardly a WIN-WIN, when we were unable to play him. Next year's round two for Hibberd is more than fair (no steak knives)!

Just now, beelzebub said:

there may well be variances..  hypothetically   say  next years 2nd and and exchange of latter picks for this years say

if that then it ONLY occurred because we jogged their position.

Thing is...EFC have mentally spent what they thought they would get.....thats their arrogant way.  Difference is...we know it ...possibly prepared to test it.,  Go you good Dees

Gee......the conspiracy theory is alive and well on Demonland....it is trade week, all clubs have a list and what they would like to get/offer, that is why trade 'week' lasts so long, negotiation

3 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Unless Hibberd is prepared to stay at the Bombers on rookie wages, we have them over a barrel. They've renegotiated contracts for the likes of Hurley on the assumption that Hibberd was leaving, and didn't try to match our contract offer to Hibberd.

Why would we give them anything other than what suits us, and that is next years 2nd rounder. Take it or leave it.

 

2 minutes ago, CBDees said:

Last year's round two pick for Melksham was hardly a WIN-WIN, when we were unable to play him. Next year's round two for Hibberd is more than fair (no steak knives)!

Unfortunately neither of you are part of Essendon's trade week team, if we land Hibberd it will be a deal that is suitable to both clubs, nobody foresaw that the EFC players would be banned, it was supposedly done and dusted, Port must feel exactly the same about Ryder


2 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Gee......the conspiracy theory is alive and well on Demonland....it is trade week, all clubs have a list and what they would like to get/offer, that is why trade 'week' lasts so long, negotiation

not conspiracy at all.. Saty.,..its called understanding your opponents weakness.  Positions have turned

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

not conspiracy at all.. Saty.,..its called understanding your opponents weakness.  Positions have turned

If you think that fine, you are entitled to your opinion, we'll see how the trade period pans out, and then we can all play the usual game of Demonland Kings of Hindsight

Just now, Satyriconhome said:

If you think that fine, you are entitled to your opinion, we'll see how the trade period pans out, and then we can all play the usual game of Demonland Kings of Hindsight

im not trying to win

Saty

some aspects of trade week WILL be about expediency...others about brinkmanship

Its about US.,not them

3 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

 

Unfortunately neither of you are part of Essendon's trade week team, if we land Hibberd it will be a deal that is suitable to both clubs, nobody foresaw that the EFC players would be banned, it was supposedly done and dusted, Port must feel exactly the same about Ryder

Giving away our 2nd rounder this year when we don't have a 1st round pick is NOT suitable to us.

I dislike Essendon as much as the next demon supporter but I don't think it's fair to bash them. There are 2 current trade scenarios. 1 pick is more valuable than the other.

 

Perhaps a 3rd party could be involved. Or we give them pick 45 as well. Will probably just end up being 2016 2nd


5 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Giving away our 2nd rounder this year when we don't have a 1st round pick is NOT suitable to us.

So get used to not having Hibberd. 

5 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Giving away our 2nd rounder this year when we don't have a 1st round pick is NOT suitable to us.

It is taking a while for this to sink in with some people. Not negotiable!

Two things about Hibberd.

The first is that the DL camp who have highlighted him as a good pick-up have underestimated (ignored) one of his main ingredients that he adds to our list - a left foot defender. At present we have Salem and Wagner as our only two left-footers back there while sides like Hawthorn and Sydney have quite a few. Wagner is handy but not a thumping kick like Hibberd, while most of us would like to see Salem tried in the midfield. So Hibberd's acquisition is huge and those that watched him pre-2016 know that he's as tough as nails and will be part of our back seven (six plus one interchange). 

The other is I don't quite get why we want to try and trade out of next year's draft already. Perhaps some have got cocky after our improved showing with a young list, but there's no guarantee that we won't slide a little next year as we wait for our young squad to fully mature. And when we grabbed an extra pick last year (for Weideman), we were told by the club that the 2016 draft was shaping as being a little thin. And there's also no obvious other trades on the horizon this year, but next year we may want to use our second round pick - just as we do this year.

One can only presume that our maestro Jason Taylor now is keen on a couple of players who may fall in that 20-30 bracket.

But there are ways of getting back to the second round, even if we have to trade our current pick for Hibberd.

For example - Dunn to Brisbane should net us the Lions third round pick 49.

We then can go after the Gold Coast's pick 25 or 29 on the basis that trading them our two third rounders (picks 46 and 49) will actually earn them more points to be used for either Jack Bowes or Brad Scheer.

 

 
18 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

 

Unfortunately neither of you are part of Essendon's trade week team, if we land Hibberd it will be a deal that is suitable to both clubs, nobody foresaw that the EFC players would be banned, it was supposedly done and dusted, Port must feel exactly the same about Ryder

plenty on demonland did. club must have thought it was a chance.

1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

plenty on demonland did. club must have thought it was a chance.

It was like anything in life and footy, it could have gone either way

 

10 minutes ago, CBDees said:

It is taking a while for this to sink in with some people. Not negotiable!

Hopefully, to soothe your brow, Josh Mahoney will read this tonight and take it on board


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