Jump to content

Featured Replies

On 19 August 2017 at 9:34 AM, Wrecker45 said:

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, 2001:

Acute water shortage conditions combined with thermal stress should adversely affect wheat and, more severely, rice productivity in India even under the positive effects of elevated CO2 in the future.

Times of India, 17 August 2017:

India’s foodgrain production for the 2016-17 crop year is estimated at record 275.68 million tonnes ... which is over 4% higher than the previous record production achieved in the country during 2013-14.

The writing in that first article is painfully small, difficult to read thoroughly. Does it say when the water shortages will come in? (Bearing in mind, of course, that in 2001 we ourselves had 8 years of terrible drought ahead of us, leading to our worst ever bushfire and the deaths of 173 of our fellow citizens) 

  • 4 weeks later...
 
22 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

BOM after getting caught out for not recording accurately says the 2 weather stations it got caught out on are the only 2 wrong out of 700 odd. What are the odds?

 

http://jennifermarohasy.com/2017/09/vindicated-bureau-acknowledges-limits-set-cold-temperatures-can-recorded/

 

Oh god, not the bloody entomologist again. I wish you'd start quoting qualified climate scientists and not IPA stooges. 

 

Hottest Australian winter on record! Climate change is now happening, don't worry about the models, we are experiencing it now.  Only the deluded are still questioning the data in the predictive models to try to deny it.

Forget the models, look out your window at what is happening on the ground. 

48 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Hottest Australian winter on record!

 

 

could have fooled me, earl. not in burwood


16 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

could have fooled me, earl. not in burwood

The last 2 winters have been utterly freezing out in my neck of the woods - The Deep East.  I'm thinking of moving to the globally warmed parts of Oz. 

But hasn't it always been hot in QLD?

  • Author
On 18/09/2017 at 9:46 PM, daisycutter said:

could have fooled me, earl. not in burwood

It is amazing how poor the BMO has become. People aren't stupid. You freeze through a cold winter and get told at the end it is the hottest on record. I have had the same car for 5 years and the ice on the road warning light has never come on a frequently as it did this winter.

  • Author

BOM scandals

 

That's one heck of a load of Jo Nova you've posted there. Oh well, at least it's a break from your IPA entomologist. 

On 20 September 2017 at 10:18 PM, Wrecker45 said:

BOM scandals

I would usually cut you some slack Wrecker and your gross stupidity on climate change issues, but unfortunately this issue is too important. Your beliefs are stupid, illogical and dangerous. 

First You deny there is a problem, deny the science, the basic physics of CO2 in the atmosphere then You question the predictive models as getting it wrong, then as the data pours in that is validating the modelpredictions, You call into question the data, it is now being doctored by the national Bureau of  Met. For what possible reason only your contorted, conspiratorial mind can explain. 

Meanwhile if you ever stick your head out the window and observe the weather you might notice we are about to break another raft of temperature records this weekend up north in NSW but of course that is just the norm when measured over the past million years.

This is Climate Change in action as we communicate! 

 


37 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

I would usually cut you some slack Wrecker and your gross stupidity on climate change issues, but unfortunately this issue is too important. Your beliefs are stupid, illogical and dangerous. 

First You deny there is a problem, deny the science, the basic physics of CO2 in the atmosphere then You question the predictive models as getting it wrong, then as the data pours in that is validating the modelpredictions, You call into question the data, it is now being doctored by the national Bureau of  Met. For what possible reason only your contorted, conspiratorial mind can explain. 

Meanwhile if you ever stick your head out the window and observe the weather you might notice we are about to break another raft of temperature records this weekend up north in NSW but of course that is just the norm when measured over the past million years.

This is Climate Change in action as we communicate! 

 

Global warming may be occurring more slowly than previously thought, study suggests

Previous climate models may have been 'on the hot side'

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change-global-warming-paris-climate-agreement-nature-geoscience-myles-allen-michael-grubb-a7954496.html

Of greater concern to me is male pattern baldness.I've lobbied international leaders to contribute  to a fund that i will administer, in order to address this serious issue.

I estimate billions will be needed ,and i will not rest until this problem is acknowledged globally.

On 9/22/2017 at 10:01 PM, daisycutter said:

Global warming may be occurring more slowly than previously thought, study suggests

Previous climate models may have been 'on the hot side'

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change-global-warming-paris-climate-agreement-nature-geoscience-myles-allen-michael-grubb-a7954496.html

Isn't the keyword in that headline "occurring"?  Perhaps we should be grateful that the predictions/models have been wrong (assuming that is definitely the case) and that we have more time available to us to reduce the effects... it certainly doesn't mean we should abandon the treaties and not take preventative measures.

11 hours ago, Biffen said:

Of greater concern to me is male pattern baldness.I've lobbied international leaders to contribute  to a fund that i will administer, in order to address this serious issue.

I estimate billions will be needed ,and i will not rest until this problem is acknowledged globally.

Biff I am bald, it is not a problem, at least not one that needs direct medical attention. Instead I drive a Corvette to make up for it. 

6 hours ago, hardtack said:

Isn't the keyword in that headline "occurring"?  Perhaps we should be grateful that the predictions/models have been wrong (assuming that is definitely the case) and that we have more time available to us to reduce the effects... it certainly doesn't mean we should abandon the treaties and not take preventative measures.

Hardtrack I agree with your sentiments but I would point out that the models aren't WRONG rather they are predictive and have a statistical margin of error, as all scientific models will have. Future data yet to be measured could make the models move back toward their former predictions, who knows, but the forces involved and the trends affecting the climate are clear, we are just debating the time to failure. 

Models are models, not historical data. You can only be 100% accurate when analysing historic data, that is looking backwards. I hope the scientific paper is true as it buys us some time but the language used by the researchers is very measured so as not to promote complacency or provide any comfit for Deniers, as the dire predictions of global warming have not changed if we exceed 1.5 C. 


2 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

Hardtrack I agree with your sentiments but I would point out that the models aren't WRONG rather they are predictive and have a statistical margin of error, as all scientific models will have. Future data yet to be measured could make the models move back toward their former predictions, who knows, but the forces involved and the trends affecting the climate are clear, we are just debating the time to failure. 

Models are models, not historical data. You can only be 100% accurate when analysing historic data, that is looking backwards. I hope the scientific paper is true as it buys us some time but the language used by the researchers is very measured so as not to promote complacency or provide any comfit for Deniers, as the dire predictions of global warming have not changed if we exceed 1.5 C. 

EH... that's precisely why I said "assuming that is definitely the case". The article still maintains that climate change is a real thing and is happening, so we should be working towards reducing/eliminating its impact regardless of how much time we do or don't have.

  • 3 weeks later...

Dunno if it's worth posting here, given that there's only about half a dozen of us who bother reading or posting, but - that said - to the climate change deniers among us - your spiritual leader, your Abbott, has gone seriously psycho. 

 

Weirdest part of his latest babble - global warming is good for us. Good for us! What a jerk. He should be the one in the High Court defending his citizenship - I presume the moron thinks he's a friggin Pom. Confirms my belief that his supposed volunteering as a fire fighter is nothing more than a photo op. 

 

Anyway, Tony - a word of advice. We're in Australia, you knobby-skulled weirdo. Hot is not good. Hot kills people, including children I knew. Hot destroys crops and economies. Hot is bad bad bad. Hot is a terrorist. And so are you.     

 

You global warming deniers, ditch the Abbot. He has been driven out of his mind by relevance deprivation. He is too weird, even for you. If you're looking for a leader, I'd suggest Malcolm Roberts - he'll be looking for a new gig pretty soon. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Jara said:

If you're looking for a leader, I'd suggest Malcolm Roberts - he'll be looking for a new gig pretty soon.

Love it. He'd suit the National/Liberal camp of fringe lunatics.

  • Author
On 22/09/2017 at 9:22 PM, Earl Hood said:

I would usually cut you some slack Wrecker and your gross stupidity on climate change issues, but unfortunately this issue is too important. Your beliefs are stupid, illogical and dangerous. 

First You deny there is a problem, deny the science, the basic physics of CO2 in the atmosphere then You question the predictive models as getting it wrong, then as the data pours in that is validating the modelpredictions, You call into question the data, it is now being doctored by the national Bureau of  Met. For what possible reason only your contorted, conspiratorial mind can explain. 

Meanwhile if you ever stick your head out the window and observe the weather you might notice we are about to break another raft of temperature records this weekend up north in NSW but of course that is just the norm when measured over the past million years.

This is Climate Change in action as we communicate! 

 

EH - I have never denied the basic physics of Co2 having a heating impact in a controlled environment with no other factors.

On the data being doctored I have given ample examples in this thread where the BOM has been overs. Show me a few examples where they have been caught out being unders.

If I stick me head out and observe the weather I might notice we are about to break another raft of records.

I can only laugh at the bold above quoting your ignorance... I thought the argument was climate not weather. It is also funny it is about to happen like every other failed prediction.

 

 

 
 

 

 

If I stick me head out and observe the weather I might notice we are about to break another raft of records.

 

Found this a bit hard to follow. What do you mean? 


  • Author
19 hours ago, Jara said:
 
 

 

 

If I stick me head out and observe the weather I might notice we are about to break another raft of records.

 

Found this a bit hard to follow. What do you mean? 

I was quoting EH.

  • Author
On 21/09/2017 at 10:59 PM, Jara said:

That's one heck of a load of Jo Nova you've posted there. Oh well, at least it's a break from your IPA entomologist. 

Silly me, I should know not to use fully referenced examples of BOM fraud from a Scientists blog.

 
3 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

Yes LG very timely post. You won't get any arguments from me on that!! 

On 19 October 2017 at 11:01 AM, Wrecker45 said:

EH - I have never denied the basic physics of Co2 having a heating impact in a controlled environment with no other factors.

On the data being doctored I have given ample examples in this thread where the BOM has been overs. Show me a few examples where they have been caught out being unders.

If I stick me head out and observe the weather I might notice we are about to break another raft of records.

I can only laugh at the bold above quoting your ignorance... I thought the argument was climate not weather. It is also funny it is about to happen like every other failed prediction.

 

 

Wrecker climate is about long term averages for temperature, rainfall, wind etc. So we already have a 1C rise in global average temperatures above the recordable historic average. Weather is what you experience, locally and now. I am trying to point out that climate change is not some abstract theory that may occur in the future, it is happening now and people are being affected in the weather they are experiencing now. The raft of heat records I referred to back in September aren't about to happen, they occurred! They are on the record even though I am sure you will dispute the BoM data and that the people in northern NSW and western Queensland were duped into feeling like they were dealing with 40C plus temperatures in September, temperatures that they had never experienced before so early in spring.

It is very much about the weather now, extreme heat and drought are occurring more often. Why don't you go and ask someone in the insurance business about their thoughts on "the weather" and what it is costing them in payouts and their predictions for the future effects of changing climate on their business models. 

They pay out on the bad weather not the climatic averages but they are factoring in that climate change equals more extremes and more damage from sever storms or more intense and frequent fires. 


Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.

Featured Content

  • GAMEDAY: West Coast

    It's Game Day and the Demons have a chance to notch up their third consecutive win — something they haven’t done since Round 5, 2024. But to do it, they’ll need to exorcise the Demons of last year’s disastrous trip out West. Can the Dees continue their momentum, right the wrongs of that fateful clash, and take another step up the ladder on the road to redemption?

      • Haha
      • Like
    • 358 replies
    Demonland
  • FEATURE: 1925

    A hundred years ago today, on 2 May 1925, Melbourne kicked off the new season with a 47 point victory over St Kilda to take top place on the VFL ladder after the opening round of the new season.  Top place was a relatively unknown position for the team then known as the “Fuchsias.” They had finished last in 1923 and rose by only one place in the following year although the final home and away round heralded a promise of things to come when they surprised the eventual premiers Essendon. That victory set the stage for more improvement and it came rapidly. In this series, I will tell the story of how the 1925 season unfolded for the Melbourne Football Club and how it made the VFL finals for the first time in a decade on the way to the ultimate triumph a year later.

    • 0 replies
    Demonland
  • PREVIEW: West Coast

    Saturday’s election night game in Perth between the West Coast Eagles and Melbourne represents 18th vs 15th which makes it a tough decision as to which party to favour. The Eagles have yet to break the ice under their new coach in Andrew McQualter who is the second understudy in a row to confront Demon Coach Simon Goodwin who was also winless until a fortnight ago. On that basis, many punters might be considering to go with the donkey vote but I’ve been assigned with the task of helping readers to come to a considered opinion on this matter of vital importance across the nation. It was almost a year ago that I wrote a preview here of the Demons’ away game against the Eagles (under the name William from Waalitj because it was Indigenous Round).  I issued a warning that it was a danger game, based on my local knowledge that the home team were no longer easybeats and that they possessed a wunderkind generational player in Harley Reid who was capable of producing stellar performances playing among men a decade and more older than he.  At the time, the Eagles already had two wins off the back of a couple of the young man’s masterclasses and they had recently given the Bombers a scare straight after their Anzac Day blockbuster draw against the then reigning premiers.

    • 1 reply
    Demonland
  • NON-MFC: Round 08

    Round 08 of the 2025 AFL Season kicks off on Thursday with a must-win game for the Bombers to stay in touch with the top eight, while the struggling Roos seek a morale-boosting upset. Friday sees the Saints desperate for a win as well if they are to stay in finals contention and their opponents the Dockers will be eager to crack in to the Top 8 with a win on the road. Saturday kicks off with a pivotal clash for both sides asthe Bulldogs look to solidify their top-eight spot, while Port seeks to shake their pretender tag. Then the Crows will be looking to steady their topsy turvy season against a resurgent Blues looking to make it 4 wins on the trot. On Election Night a Blockbuster will see the ladder-leading Pies take on the Cats, who are keen to bounce back after a narrow loss. On Sunday the Sydney Derby promises fireworks as the Giants aim to cement their top-eight status, while the Swans fight to keep their season alive. The Hawks, celebrating their centenary, will be looking to easily account for the Tigers who are desperate to halt their slide. The Round concludes on Sunday Night with a top end of the table QClash with significant ladder implications; both Queensland teams are in scintillating form. Who are you tipping this week and what are the best results for the Demons?

      • Love
      • Like
    • 181 replies
    Demonland
  • PREGAME: West Coast

    The Demons hit the road in Round 8, heading to Perth to face the West Coast Eagles at Optus Stadium. With momentum building, the Dees will be aiming for a third straight victory to keep their season revival on course. Who comes in and who goes out?

      • Like
    • 563 replies
    Demonland
  • REPORT: Richmond

    The fans who turned up to the MCG for Melbourne’s Anzac Day Eve clash against Richmond would have been disappointed if they turned up to see a great spectacle. As much as this was a night for the 71,635 in attendance to commemorate heroes of the nation’s past wars, it was also a time for the Melbourne Football Club to consolidate upon its first win after a horrific start to the 2025 season. On this basis, despite the fact that it was an uninspiring and dour struggle for most of its 100 minutes, the night will be one for the fans to remember. They certainly got value out of the pre match activity honouring those who fought for their country. The MCG and the lights of the city as backdrop was made for nights such as these and, in my view, we received a more inspirational ceremony of Anzac culture than others both here and elsewhere around the country. 

    • 0 replies
    Demonland