Are you now confessing to a drinking problem?

(I reckon most of us here ought to have a drinking problem.)

And most likely it will get worse if won a flag. It will be a long celebration.

Iv already mowed 4 lawns just about to have lunch go to skewes and get my 6 pack it's the Aussie way work then drink I couldn't think of a better country to live in.

good to see your sense of humour is as sharp as ever, col

no need to move outside burwood. the world comes to burwood. (or at least much of asia does).

When it comes to hara kiri jokes, I too am on the cutting edge.

Iv already mowed 4 lawns just about to have lunch go to skewes and get my 6 pack it's the Aussie way work then drink I couldn't think of a better country to live in.

Please, drink responsibly. Mow lawns responsibly while you're at it too.

"The Stranger" is a good album

It then plummetted sharply!!!

I would pay good money for someone to do a remixed version of 'We Didn't Start the Fire' with MFC figures names substituted into the song.

When it comes to hara kiri jokes, I too am on the cutting edge.

seems we are both of the lowly commoner class, colin.

"It is commonly pointed out that hara-kiri is a vulgarism, but this is a misunderstanding. Hara-kiri is a Japanese reading or Kun-yomi of the characters; as it became customary to prefer Chinese readings in official announcements, only the term seppuku was ever used in writing. So hara-kiri is a spoken term, but only to commoners and seppuku a written term, but spoken amongst higher classes for the same act."^%5B4%5D

^{p.s. i found plenty of references to unsuccessful seppuku - lol}

seems we are both of the lowly commoner class, colin.

"It is commonly pointed out that hara-kiri is a vulgarism, but this is a misunderstanding. Hara-kiri is a Japanese reading or Kun-yomi of the characters; as it became customary to prefer Chinese readings in official announcements, only the term seppuku was ever used in writing. So hara-kiri is a spoken term, but only to commoners and seppuku a written term, but spoken amongst higher classes for the same act."^%5B4%5D

^{p.s. i found plenty of references to unsuccessful seppuku - lol}

I think technically due to our failure, if we too are applying Japanese standards to ourselves, we have to commit seppuku.

But then again, if I were to apply Japanese standards to myself, I wouldn't be able to drink a beverage whilst walking. Yet, I would be allowed to read porn magazines on the train. So I will pass.

10cc (Festival Hall) & "Shakin' Stevens" (at the Palais) ... ugh.

I once thought Tapscott was captaincy material ... never initially wanted Northey or Daniher and thought the acquisition of Neeld was great.

What are your thoughts on Goodwin? Please say you think it is a mistake!

Please, drink responsibly. Mow lawns responsibly while you're at it too.

Always do ted 3 in the afternoon three after the beautiful wife cooks dinner and that's it for me , doc says 42 a weeks to many but I'm never drunk .

My doc said if you have to choose between being a smoker and a drinker, be a drinker.

He said that while injecting himself with something out a of a spoon but I never got to ask him if being a druggie was even better coz he passed out.

Last laugh was on him as I left without paying for my tatt!

There's not many instances where you find MFC memorabilia in a pawn shop in Perth but I spotted the 2006 team photo, beautifully framed and on display out the front of one the other day. I bent down and with a grin looked at Rowdy and Neita sitting side by side, Chunk with hair, Chopper Carrols killer moustache, Flash etc.

Just when I was about to look behind for the price, I also noticed Col Sylvia, Beamer and Mr Barry Prendergast as 'Opposition Analyst' or some other clearly misplaced title against his name. The grin disappeared and I didn't bother to check the price.

I don't even know what confession I'm making here.

There's not many instances where you find MFC memorabilia in a pawn shop in Perth but I spotted the 2006 team photo, beautifully framed and on display out the front of one the other day. I bent down and with a grin looked at Rowdy and Neita sitting side by side, Chunk with hair, Chopper Carrols killer moustache, Flash etc.

Just when I was about to look behind for the price, I also noticed Col Sylvia, Beamer and Mr Barry Prendergast as 'Opposition Analyst' or some other clearly misplaced title against his name. The grin disappeared and I didn't bother to check the price.

I don't even know what confession I'm making here.

maybe the sin of temptation

i must confess i once spent a considerable effort to convince a lesbian of the benefits of converting to bisexuality, all to no avail

unfortunately i didn't know bbo then in order to lean-on his wisdom in manipulating the fairer sex

it was probably fortuitous as i later learned she was a richmond supporter

I did a quiet little fist pump when H_H said "if we do xxxx, then I will leave the forum forever" and we went on to meet the criteria for departure.

I wasn't able to attend the Fremantle game in 2008 where we had a massive comeback, but if I did I can guarantee I would have left at halftime.

What are your thoughts on Goodwin? Please say you think it is a mistake!

Ha!

With Northey & Daniher it was more that I would have preferred the club to have appointed 2 experienced, successful coaches instead ... I didn't actually have anything against either man at the time.

It didn't take long for both to win me over, all the same. We may have done worse if we'd appointed 2 different coaches but by the same token, we may have done better with 2 different appointees. Both coaches did have some talent to work with.

As for Goodwin, time will tell and although he is part of the whole succession thing, he's still going to be a rookie coach and he will still need to prove himself. The drug saga at Essendon leaves me uneasy but again, time will tell.

I sometimes wonder how coaches like Simpson or Hinkley would have fared instead of Neeld ... so much comes down to how much talent is at a coaches disposal.

As for Goodwin, time will tell and although he is part of the whole succession thing, he's still going to be a rookie coach and he will still need to prove himself. The drug saga at Essendon leaves me uneasy but again, time will tell.

I sometimes wonder how coaches like Simpson or Hinkley would have fared instead of Neeld ... so much comes down to how much talent is at a coaches disposal.

I hope that the old Ross Lyon maxim of 'I've seen it when things are running well and I've seen it when things are falling apart' comes into play with Goodwin. This will sound odd, even anathema to some, but sometimes having a bloke around who has seen tough times can be a good thing as they will know what is required during those times. Sometimes blokes like Denis Pagan, who have known nothing but success, can struggle to know what to do when things turn pear shaped as all they have known is success.

I think both Simmo or Hinkley would have probably produced 2010-2011 Bailey standard results at worst and around 12 to 13 wins at best. We wouldn't be flag material but the approach Neeld took was the absolute worst possible approach you could have taken to a club as factionalized as ours. That being said, I don't think Hinkley or Simpson would have come within 15 feet of our club as they probably knew they would be answering to a CEO who seemed to think he knew more about how the team should be coached than the actual coach himself.

Edited November 9, 20159 yr by Colin B. Flaubert

I just watched that game, too....

Wow, footy's changed! No accountability, no system, no structure...

We were damned good that day, but the Swans' players had zero accountability for their opponent.

pure creativity. not structured & predictable. thats what was so good about it. there was a surprise at every turn.. predictability is boring.

its almost like footy has stated to be run by accountants & cost cutters. its become predictable & boring.

bring back the unstructured exhilaration, please.

pure creativity. not structured & predictable. thats what was so good about it. there was a surprise at every turn.. predictability is boring.

its almost like footy has stated to be run by accountants & cost cutters. its become predictable & boring.

bring back the unstructured exhilaration, please.

You have my vote.

However that will mean one tenth of bugger all in the scheme of things

I hope that the old Ross Lyon maxim of 'I've seen it when things are running well and I've seen it when things are falling apart' comes into play with Goodwin. This will sound odd, even anathema to some, but sometimes having a bloke around who has seen tough times can be a good thing as they will know what is required during those times. Sometimes blokes like Denis Pagan, who have known nothing but success, can struggle to know what to do when things turn pear shaped as all they have known is success.

I think both Simmo or Hinkley would have probably produced 2010-2011 Bailey standard results at worst and around 12 to 13 wins at best. We wouldn't be flag material but the approach Neeld took was the absolute worst possible approach you could have taken to a club as factionalized as ours. That being said, I don't think Hinkley or Simpson would have come within 15 feet of our club as they probably knew they would be answering to a CEO who seemed to think he knew more about how the team should be coached than the actual coach himself.

Hinkley and/or Simpson would have taken on the job ... most rookie assistants will jump at the chance of a senior position ... plus, it's a 200%-300% pay hike that's guaranteed for 3 years ... and it's not even a real job

At the time, the whole Schwab thing hadn't blown up like it would later ... I doubt whether Simpson or Hinkley would have given a toss anyway - their ambition is/was to coach a senior side.

As for how they would have fared - we now know that a large part of our list at the end of 2011 was largely unskilled and not good enough. We may have recruited differently and our game plan would have almost certainly been different as well.

I tend to think we might have eked out 7-8 wins as you've intimated but that's still a mediocre return. The reality is that all sorts of things would have turned out differently - Clark? Dawes? PJ? Roos? Goodwin? Hogan? ... that's a lot of sliding doors moments, CBF.

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Edited November 10, 20159 yr by Macca

Hinkley and/or Simpson would have taken on the job ... most rookie assistants will jump at the chance of a senior position ... plus, it's a 200%-300% pay hike that's guaranteed for 3 years ... and it's not even a real job.

At the time, the whole Schwab thing hadn't blown up like it would later ... I doubt whether Simpson or Hinkley would have given a toss anyway - their ambition is/was to coach a senior side.

As for how they would have fared - we now know that a large part of our list at the end of 2011 was largely unskilled and not good enough. We may have recruited differently and our game plan would have almost certainly been different as well.

I tend to think we might have eked out 7-8 wins as you've intimated but that's still a mediocre return. The reality is that all sorts of things would have turned out differently - Clark? Dawes? PJ? Roos? Goodwin? Hogan? ... that's a lot of sliding doors moments, CBF.

Not too sure about them being definite certs to take the job, Macca. There is a precedent for coaches rejecting work rather than snapping it up with both hands.

Mark Thompson legendarily told Tony Jewell and Richmond that he was not interested in coaching them because of what he found out upon doing a little homework.

I would also contest the stuff about it not being a real job in regards to the amount of work you do. The amount of man hours that coaches put in these days is unreal. Even before the current professional age, David Parkin has expressed regret about the amount of time he got to spend with his family due to the demands of the job.

I think these days as well that coaching is moving in a more professional direction. The founding of the AFLPA and coaching accreditation shows that the industry as a whole is concerned for the welfare of it's stakeholders. The Voss and Hird scenarios (and to a lesser extent the Neeld and Scotty Watters scenario) shows that putting coaches into situations where they are on a hiding to nothing or into situations that they are unqualified to hand is no good for anyone and I think the accreditation scheme is an attempt to stop these kinds of situations from happening again (or at least as little as possible).

I think that the Schwab stuff hadn't 'blown up' as you intimated but the damage he was doing behind the scenes was well and truly entrenched. It just wasn't on public display yet.

I think that if Simpson or Hinkley had come to Melbourne, they probably would have gotten from 7 wins at worst to 13 at absolute best. However, I doubt that they would have been hired as I would suggest they probably would have seen the shortcomings of our physically underdeveloped list and would have suggested during the interview process that remedies be put in place to fix that. Keep in mind that when Neeld was hired, the thinking at the time of most MFC people was that the nature of the rebuild was just fine. The problem in the eyes of most was the coach and the senior leadership.

While I have criticized the party boy culture of the club, they weren't the only part of the problem. Another issue (among many) was that the 'future' wasn't ready and they, if truth be told, had too much responsibility put on them way too early. But as mentioned before, that according to Schwab and Connolly was not the problem. They didn't want to acknowledge that it was a problem as policies they had implemented had lead to this state of affairs.

For a new coach to come in and say that the load shouldn't have been carried by those with so little experience would have not jived with those two. For those reasons, I doubt Hinkley or Simpson would have even got the job.

Edited November 9, 20159 yr by Colin B. Flaubert

Not too sure about them being definite certs to take the job, Macca. There is a precedent for coaches rejecting work rather than snapping it up with both hands.

Mark Thompson legendarily told Tony Jewell and Richmond that he was not interested in coaching them because of what he found out upon doing a little homework.

I would also contest the stuff about it not being a real job in regards to the amount of work you do. The amount of man hours that coaches put in these days is unreal. Even before the current professional age, David Parkin has expressed regret about the amount of time he got to spend with his family due to the demands of the job.

I think these days as well that coaching is moving in a more professional direction. The founding of the AFLPA and coaching accreditation shows that the industry as a whole is concerned for the welfare of it's stakeholders. The Voss and Hird scenarios (and to a lesser extent the Neeld and Scotty Watters scenario) shows that putting coaches into situations where they are on a hiding to nothing is no good for anyone and I think the accreditation scheme is an attempt to stop these kinds of situations from happening again (or at least as little as possible).

I think that the Schwab stuff hadn't 'blown up' as you intimated but the damage he was doing behind the scenes was well and truly entrenched. It just wasn't on public display yet.

I think that if Simpson or Hinkley had come to Melbourne, they probably would have gotten from 7 wins at worst to 13 at absolute best. However, I doubt that they would have been hired as I would suggest they probably would have seen the shortcomings of our physically underdeveloped list and would have suggested during the interview process that remedies be put in place to fix that. Keep in mind that when Neeld was hired, the thinking at the time of most MFC people was that the nature of the rebuild was just fine. The problem in the eyes of most was the coach and the senior leadership.

While I have criticized the party boy culture of the club, they weren't the only part of the problem. Another issue (among many) was that the 'future' wasn't ready and, if truth be told, had too much responsibility put on the way too early. But as mentioned before, that according to Schwab and Connolly was not the problem. They didn't want to acknowledge that it was a problem as policies they had implemented had lead to this state of affairs.

For a new coach to come in and say that the load shouldn't have been carried by those with so little experience would have not jived with those two. For those reasons, I doubt Hinkley or Simpson would have even got the job.

Well, we'll never know for sure with Simpson & Hinkley but it's fun to speculate ... I firmly believe that most people are motivated by money and it's a big factor. Being appointed to a senior position can set someone up for life ... the same can't necessarily be said for those who only remain as assistants.

The average wage is what 70k a year? ... most people earn less than that.

I'll stand by my view that a person getting paid squillions for telling a group of men to chase a footy around is not a real job. Nice work if you can get it and good luck to them I say.

So we're going to have to agree to disagree CBF

Speaking of confessions - how about this thread? Up until the early part of the 2013 season the vote was still running at 398 votes in favour to 23 votes in the negative. The thread is locked which is probably a good thing haha

POLL: Do you want Mark Neeld to remain coach in 2013?

Well, we'll never know for sure with Simpson & Hinkley but it's fun to speculate ... I firmly believe that most people are motivated by money and it's a big factor. Being appointed to a senior position can set someone up for life ... the same can't necessarily be said for those who only remain as assistants.

The average wage is what 70k a year? ... most people earn less than that.

I'll stand by my view that a person getting paid squillions for telling a group of men to chase a footy around is not a real job. Nice work if you can get it and good luck to them I say.

So we're going to have to agree to disagree CBF

Speaking of confessions - how about this thread? Up until the early part of the 2013 season the vote was still running at 398 votes in favour to 23 votes in the negative. The thread is locked which is probably a good thing haha

POLL: Do you want Mark Neeld to remain coach in 2013?

Wow, amazing.

Is there any way to find out who the 23 voters were? They deserve a prize.

Not too sure about them being definite certs to take the job, Macca. There is a precedent for coaches rejecting work rather than snapping it up with both hands.

Mark Thompson legendarily told Tony Jewell and Richmond that he was not interested in coaching them because of what he found out upon doing a little homework.

I would also contest the stuff about it not being a real job in regards to the amount of work you do. The amount of man hours that coaches put in these days is unreal. Even before the current professional age, David Parkin has expressed regret about the amount of time he got to spend with his family due to the demands of the job.

I think these days as well that coaching is moving in a more professional direction. The founding of the AFLPA and coaching accreditation shows that the industry as a whole is concerned for the welfare of it's stakeholders. The Voss and Hird scenarios (and to a lesser extent the Neeld and Scotty Watters scenario) shows that putting coaches into situations where they are on a hiding to nothing or into situations that they are unqualified to hand is no good for anyone and I think the accreditation scheme is an attempt to stop these kinds of situations from happening again (or at least as little as possible).

I think that the Schwab stuff hadn't 'blown up' as you intimated but the damage he was doing behind the scenes was well and truly entrenched. It just wasn't on public display yet.

I think that if Simpson or Hinkley had come to Melbourne, they probably would have gotten from 7 wins at worst to 13 at absolute best. However, I doubt that they would have been hired as I would suggest they probably would have seen the shortcomings of our physically underdeveloped list and would have suggested during the interview process that remedies be put in place to fix that. Keep in mind that when Neeld was hired, the thinking at the time of most MFC people was that the nature of the rebuild was just fine. The problem in the eyes of most was the coach and the senior leadership.

While I have criticized the party boy culture of the club, they weren't the only part of the problem. Another issue (among many) was that the 'future' wasn't ready and they, if truth be told, had too much responsibility put on them way too early. But as mentioned before, that according to Schwab and Connolly was not the problem. They didn't want to acknowledge that it was a problem as policies they had implemented had lead to this state of affairs.

For a new coach to come in and say that the load shouldn't have been carried by those with so little experience would have not jived with those two. For those reasons, I doubt Hinkley or Simpson would have even got the job.

careful writing about all that Truth Colin

Stuie will be hounding you for days...

Agree with what you say btw. I bet many potential coaches walked away after doing a little homework whilst CS was running the joint...

careful writing about all that Truth Colin

Stuie will be hounding you for days...

Agree with what you say btw. I bet many potential coaches walked away after doing a little homework whilst CS was running the joint...

I don't know why. Surely there were all impressed with this size of his desk.