Oliver's a bolter who could easily be available at 7 if Essendon hold their nerve and still take Francis & Curnow and the Suns take Milera or Ah Chee.

There's a far greater chance of Oliver slipping to 7 than Parish. Essendon will not let him past 5; they'll be struggling to select their 2 from Curnow, Francis, Weideman and Oliver which makes our choice at 7 all the easier.

Neither Francis and Curnow are mids and they have are desperate for mids. They need tall forwards too, but at least one of 4 or 5 will be a genuine mid, not a mid on a hope and a prayer.

Stanton and Watson are geriatrics. The utility Goddard is old too. Cooney is a crock.

Hocking's a tagger.

Myer a scrubber.

Zaharakis has been disappointing the last two years and presents best as a high half-forward/mid.

Merrett is a quality small mid/forward. The older Brother's ordinary.

Colyer is a pygmy.

Heppell is very good and that's about it.

Edited November 22, 20159 yr by ProDee

The club needs a big bodied forward/ruck? and a big bodied defender, i believe the club will go for Weideman and Collins at pick 3 and 7. Watts and Dawes will have become much better players or they will be gone. The latter picks could be used to pick up a tall mid.

We'll most likely have our pick of Weideman and Curnow with 7 (and failing that, either Francis or Oliver will be available).

There is zero chance we'll go after Collins that early; our defender stocks are perfectly sufficient for now. Our midfield is still our greatest weakness once injuries begin (see our second half this year).

Edited November 22, 20159 yr by Lamashtu

well, i have to take taylor at his word when he said we will pick best available

if we look at best available this draft for 3-10 (maybe higher) i think it is really hard

there's not a lot between them and all have their weaknesses. in short i don't think anyone really stands out as best available

this is quite evident by the vastly differing ratings of the pundits and how those ratings have shifted in a short time

on a needs basis i'd like the best mid at 3 and the best tall forward at 7

who that is i've really no effn ideai, so i'll leave my trust in taylor et al

i'd be ok with my initial gut feel of parish/weideman but won't be disappointed if they go someone else

(of course i reserve the right to vent here in 2 years time if it all goes pear-shaped)

Ffs its all a game. Everyone says the same thing whilst eyeing off this player or that.

I believe nothing said...just the actusl picks.

Then theres the after-spin

Get with it ppl

Edited November 22, 20159 yr by beelzebub

I can see us picking Oliver at 3 and Weideman at 7.

Oliver seems to have a better skill makeup to be a high quality player at the next level, especially given the amount of improvement he should have left in him. Given his lack of exposure to elite programs and his absence of preseason, I can see his game improving especially in his ability to win the ball outside contests. I imagine that Essendon will probably take Francis plus whichever midfielder we don't take. If we rate Oliver as being the best mid, then we should take him here.

Weideman tested poorly, which worries me, but that will probably be the thing that allows us to pick him at 7. If we're looking for a partner for Hogan, we probably need to pull the trigger here. He'll take time, given his style and testing, but but I suppose that's why we've taken he pick a year early.

Good decision by Taylor it true

Kid is a down right leader who can break games open. Will be a 200 game player and a smokey for rising star.

His explosiveness is Judd-esque

Edited November 22, 20159 yr by olisik

His explosiveness is Judd-esque

No it isn't.

Please stop pretending that you know anything about the players on every thread you post in. You may end up accidentally predicting the player we select, but it will be pure dumb luck.

No it isn't.

Please stop pretending that you know anything about the players on every thread you post in. You may end up accidentally predicting the player we select, but it will be pure dumb luck.

It sure is. I have seen this kid play live for the Bushrangers, have you?

Also well done on attacking a fellow poster too mate. Poor form.

Whats the fascination with weed

Others out there...they even stay on the park !

No it isn't.

Please stop pretending that you know anything about the players on every thread you post in. You may end up accidentally predicting the player we select, but it will be pure dumb luck.

What do you KNOW a of b ?

Interested to hear

Edited November 22, 20159 yr by beelzebub

It sure is. I have seen this kid play live for the Bushrangers, have you?

Also well done on attacking a fellow poster too mate. Poor form.

You haven't seen him play live at all and you yourself have mentioned you rate Oliver based on highlights alone so stop speaking shot out of your ass.

And how i definitely know you haven't watched him play live is the ridiculous call about having Judd like explosiveness. He does not possess that all in fact not many do.

Stop making yourself look like a fool.

Whats the fascination with weed

Others out there...they even stay on the park !

He's big. He can mark. He can kick. He can play at ground level. And he's physical.

If he could stay on the park he'd be a sure thing top 3.

You haven't seen him play live at all and you yourself have mentioned you rate Oliver based on highlights alone so stop speaking shot out of your ass.

And how i definitely know you haven't watched him play live is the ridiculous call about having Judd like explosiveness. He does not possess that all in fact not many do.

Stop making yourself look like a fool.

Iv seen him play mate

Chris Judd recorded 2.97s 20m sprint while Oliver is 3.00

Close to the mark of you ask me

You haven't seen him play live at all and you yourself have mentioned you rate Oliver based on highlights alone so stop speaking shot out of your ass.

And how i definitely know you haven't watched him play live is the ridiculous call about having Judd like explosiveness. He does not possess that all in fact not many do.

Stop making yourself look like a fool.

Not many, maybe even not any. At least not whilst winning the clearance at evading tacklers. Dangerfield and.....

But I'll take a burst of speed and agility. Dane Swan pack bursting will do me.

Iv seen him play mate

Chris Judd recorded 2.97s 20m sprint while Oliver is 3.00

Close to the mark of you ask me

I've seen him and Parish both live,

Parish is imo a far better prospect, Oliver has gone from outside the top 10 to pick 3 without having played a game in the meantime, either the recruiters see something special or this is the media blowing him up the way you are.

i'd still be shocked if we don't pick Parish.

Iv seen him play mate

Chris Judd recorded 2.97s 20m sprint while Oliver is 3.00

Close to the mark of you ask me

Trengove 2.97, IIRC....

I've seen him and Parish both live,

Parish is imo a far better prospect, Oliver has gone from outside the top 10 to pick 3 without having played a game in the meantime, either the recruiters see something special or this is the media blowing him up the way you are.

i'd still be shocked if we don't pick Parish.

A lot may depend on the types of players available later in the draft. Perhaps some good classy mids may fall through to a later pick? Or vice versa

Chris Judd recorded 2.97s 20m sprint while Oliver is 3.00

Close to the mark of you ask me

Brock McLean did a 3.03 second 20m sprint.

Would you say that Oliver has 'Brock McLean-esque explosiveness'?

Would you say that Judd had 'Brock McLean-esque explosiveness'?

Chris Judd recorded 2.97s 20m sprint while Oliver is 3.00

Also, Chris Judd didn't attend Draft Camp because of a shoulder reconstruction, so I don't know where you got those results from.

Where did you get those results from?

It sure is. I have seen this kid play live for the Bushrangers, have you?

Also well done on attacking a fellow poster too mate. Poor form.

dazzledavey36, on 26 Oct 2015 - 8:02 PM, said:

You said the exact same thing with Mathieson..

That was before I watched Oliver's highlight reel.

I rate them both over Mr 14 average disposal Curnow.

Not enough of an impact for a top 10 prospect. J Howe had more of an impact

Edited by olisik, 26 October 2015 - 08:07 PM.

Watching him on youtube clips does not count as watching him live. Grow up and stop speaking [censored] for once olisick

Edited November 22, 20159 yr by dazzledavey36

Oliver isn't explosive, but he's got a great dance/sidestep that gives him time and flatfoots his opponent. Combined with good speed it creates an impressive image of him darting away.

So it's not just good speed for an inside mid, it's an evasive quality and preparedness to take the game on that most inside mids don't have.

Oliver isn't explosive, but he's got a great dance/sidestep that gives him time and flatfoots his opponent. Combined with good speed it creates an impressive image of him darting away.

So it's not just good speed for an inside mid, it's an evasive quality and preparedness to take the game on that most inside mids don't have.

Agree. His evasion is very good at TAC level. Just wonder how well his dance/sidestep will go when he has the likes of Jordan Lewis or Kieran Jack bearing down on him.

dazzledavey36, on 26 Oct 2015 - 8:02 PM, said:

That was before I watched Oliver's highlight reel.

I rate them both over Mr 14 average disposal Curnow.

Not enough of an impact for a top 10 prospect. J Howe had more of an impact

Edited by olisik, 26 October 2015 - 08:07 PM.

Watching him on youtube clips does not count as watching him live. Grow up and stop speaking [censored] for once olisick

Lol did you really trawl thru old posts to find that?

Just because a highlight reel made me change my mind doesn't mean I didn't see him live...

Lol did you really trawl thru old posts to find that?

Just because a highlight reel made me change my mind doesn't mean I didn't see him live...

Mate you haven't seen him play live and your poor basic analysis on him shows out something shocking.

Just quit digging that hole.

Agree. His evasion is very good at TAC level. Just wonder how well his dance/sidestep will go when he has the likes of Jordan Lewis or Kieran Jack bearing down on him.

I think those traits transition well. At any level the element of surprise, aggression and speed holds you in good stead.

Having read lots of old bios recently it's quite common to see queries on stronger body types (see Wines and Martin) and whether they'll stand up against the bigger bodies at the next level. The good ones invariably do.