What will be different next year.

Serious question.

We will probably continue to see a key forward size player who still cant take a contested mark, and skirt the outside of packs waiting for someone else to get him the ball, but he will be a year older, and less valuable as a trade option.

So yeah, you shouldn't be such a doubter. Of course some things will change.

Based on this years form and if we have minimal injuries we face the possibility of Watts/Grimes/Dawes not getting a game but chewing about 1.2 million of the salary cap.

As long as he plays we will look like a 'soft' club to others...that's not my opinion but the opinion from other supporters from different clubs....we should try to off load him to send a message to the AFL community...

The only reason he is still on our list is because we used our number 1 draft pick to get him.

.Dont doubt his courage,

I really don't get how anyone who has watched JW over his career could seriously tell us not to doubt his courage. His lack of it is why he has had such an ordinary career so far.

Do you think he is in our best 22??

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

That's represents just how bad we are.

Would like him to stay.

I would prefer to see get the hell out!

Poor bugger has had to put up with more than any Footballer ever should have. If Goodes had to cop what Jack has had to put up with, he would have retired 5 years ago. No one, not even we keyboard warriors, deserve what Jack has copped. The attack on his integrity and his self worth are soul destroying. He is tougher than any one of us here. I include myself in this. We have every right to discuss his football prowess, but some of the crap both here and DL is too much to bear. GIVE IT A REST,

I would prefer to see get the hell out!

Poor bugger has had to put up with more than any Footballer ever should have. If Goodes had to cop what Jack has had to put up with, he would have retired 5 years ago. No one, not even we keyboard warriors, deserve what Jack has copped. The attack on his integrity and his self worth are soul destroying. He is tougher than any one of us here. I include myself in this. We have every right to discuss his football prowess, but some of the crap both here and DL is too much to bear. GIVE IT A REST,

ohhhhhhhhh no he's not.

That's his problem. He is not up for the physical side of AFL. If he had mongrel, to go with his undoubted talent, he would be , hmmmm, let me see. Jesse Hogan?

ohhhhhhhhh no he's not.

That's his problem. He is not up for the physical side of AFL. If he had mongrel, to go with his undoubted talent, he would be , hmmmm, let me see. Jesse Hogan?

Grow up Mate. Really??

I get the love for Hulk, but you don't have to put others down to show your unrequited passion for him do you?

Grow up Mate. Really??

I get the love for Hulk, but you don't have to put others down to show your unrequited passion for him do you?

Jack Watts will continue to be a disappointment, until he is traded, or delisted.

Most of us can already see that Jack does not have the necessary desire to put his body on the line in order to win the ball. That is a trait that is unacceptable if you want to play in the heat of finals football. If we had a midfield full of Dangerfields/Kennedys/Hodges/*Cripps', then we could carry a bloke like Jack for most of the season, for his undoubted skills.

But we don't have anything close to that, and don't look like having that type of midfield in the foreseeable future. Therefore, we must have players all over the ground, who can get their own ball.

Jack doesn't, or wont, because he cannot bring himself to maintain composure while under physical pressure.

I don't need to compare him to any other player, for most others to understand, and likely agree with that opinion.

Grow up Mate. Really??

I get the love for Hulk, but you don't have to put others down to show your unrequited passion for him do you?

Stop feeling sorry for him, he gets paid bucket loads to do his job...

Jack Watts will continue to be a disappointment, until he is traded, or delisted.

Most of us can already see that Jack does not have the necessary desire to put his body on the line order to win the ball. That is a trait that is unacceptable if you want to play in the heat of finals football. If we had a midfield full of Dangerfields/Kennedys/Hodges/*Cripps', then we could carry a bloke like Jack for most of the season, for his undoubted skills.

But we don't have anything close to that, and don't look like having that type of midfield in the foreseeable future. Therefore, we must have players all over the ground, who can get their own ball.

Jack doesn't, or wont, because he cannot bring himself to maintain composure while under physical pressure.

I don't need to compare him to any other player, for most others to understand, and likely agree with that opinion.

Mate, what do you do for a living? Are you in the public eye and judged for what you don't do? Is your character assassinated every time you plug your head set in? Abused from outside your cubicle window? These blokes love the game. The fact they get paid is a bonus to all of them. It DOES NOT give you the right to hurl abuse and vitriol their way any chance you get just because they don't meet your lofty standards. Grow a set for f--ks sake.

Stop feeling sorry for him, he gets paid bucket loads to do his job...

Yes but not to cop this crap. He is one of the most respectable human beings we have. Do we hav to insult and abuse him just because he's not an animal that meets the expectations of the lunatic fringe?

The guy gets eight kicks a game.

Yes, he's a good user of the footy, but his numbers are thoroughly underwhelming; inside 50s (1.7), goal assists (0.48) setting up Hogan goals (just once) etc.

The notion that he'd go from zero to hero if he just had a bit of ticker is flawed. He doesn't get anywhere near enough ball to really capitalise on his skills and make an impact on the game.

The guy gets eight kicks a game.

Yes, he's a good user of the footy, but his numbers are thoroughly underwhelming; inside 50s (1.7), goal assists (0.48) setting up Hogan goals (just once) etc.

The notion that he'd go from zero to hero if he just had a bit of ticker is flawed. He doesn't get anywhere near enough ball to really capitalise on his skills and make an impact on the game.

That's the sort of criticism he SHOULD be receiving. This is based on his FOOTBALL ability, not denigrating his character. Good on you Grape.

Jack Watts will continue to be a disappointment, until he is traded, or delisted.

Most of us can already see that Jack does not have the necessary desire to put his body on the line in order to win the ball. That is a trait that is unacceptable if you want to play in the heat of finals football. If we had a midfield full of Dangerfields/Kennedys/Hodges/*Cripps', then we could carry a bloke like Jack for most of the season, for his undoubted skills.

But we don't have anything close to that, and don't look like having that type of midfield in the foreseeable future. Therefore, we must have players all over the ground, who can get their own ball.

Jack doesn't, or wont, because he cannot bring himself to maintain composure while under physical pressure.

I don't need to compare him to any other player, for most others to understand, and likely agree with that opinion.

You don't speak for 'most of us' at all. JW no composure under physical pressure? Really? I don't think so.

Time to let him be.

You don't speak for 'most of us' at all. JW no composure under physical pressure? Really? I don't think so.

Time to let him be.

Here here. Well said JR.

That's the sort of criticism he SHOULD be receiving. This is based on his FOOTBALL ability, not denigrating his character. Good on you Grape.

Jack's seeming unwillingness to put his body on the line, or to put it another way, his softness is not denigrating his character, but critiquing his package as a footballer.

If Jack gets upset because of what fans say, he shouldn't read the forums. That or toughen up, as he gets paid ridiculously well paid to do a job he supposedly loves, yet he himself admitted this season that he has watched some of his efforts on the replay and felt embarrassed by his 'effort'.

If Jack wants to change how he is seen, he knows what to do, he has told us many times. He needs to walk the walk. That supporters like you think that his efforts in his career have been acceptable, says more about you than those that criticise him.

Yes but not to cop this crap. He is one of the most respectable human beings we have. Do we hav to insult and abuse him just because he's not an animal that meets the expectations of the lunatic fringe?

We/I are not insulting him as a human being!!! Please remember that this is not a personal attack on Jack in that way. It is what he does in regards to his football and whether or not he can help our football club be successful.

Jack's seeming unwillingness to put his body on the line, or to put it another way, his softness is not denigrating his character, but critiquing his package as a footballer.

If Jack gets upset because of what fans say, he shouldn't read the forums. That or toughen up, as he gets paid ridiculously well paid to do a job he supposedly loves, yet he himself admitted this season that he has watched some of his efforts on the replay and felt embarrassed by his 'effort'.

If Jack wants to change how he is seen, he knows what to do, he has told us many times. He needs to walk the walk. That supporters like you think that his efforts in his career have been acceptable, says more about you than those that criticise him.

Don't even go there Mate. Your seeming obsession with putting others down to make yourself seem oh so righteous is legendary around here. The thing is, Jack doesn't give a Rats Toss what people like you or your like minded sheep say or think. No matter how you try to justify your slander, it doesn't give you the right to abuse Jack, or any other player. Even though you will probably scream "but I pay my Membership"! Who cares!

We/I are not insulting him as a human being!!! Please remember that this is not a personal attack on Jack in that way. It is what he does in regards to his football and whether or not he can help our football club be successful.

Look, I don't know Jack anymore than anyone else here. I'm just sick and tired of the [censored] he cops from so called supporters. He has copped it since he was 17 and had the honour of being drafted to this Dogs Turd of a Club. It isn't his fault!

Don't even go there Mate. Your seeming obsession with putting others down to make yourself seem oh so righteous is legendary around here. The thing is, Jack doesn't give a Rats Toss what people like you or your like minded sheep say or think. No matter how you try to justify your slander, it doesn't give you the right to abuse Jack, or any other player. Even though you will probably scream "but I pay my Membership"! Who cares!

Legendary around here?

Full of .... much?

Jack is on the record as saying some of his efforts in the past are pathetic and embarrassing, yet according to you, fans can't make similar comments.

Yet I am the righteous one?

What a joke you are.

Don't even go there Mate. Your seeming obsession with putting others down to make yourself seem oh so righteous is legendary around here. The thing is, Jack doesn't give a Rats Toss what people like you or your like minded sheep say or think. No matter how you try to justify your slander, it doesn't give you the right to abuse Jack, or any other player. Even though you will probably scream "but I pay my Membership"! Who cares!

What a load of crap. We have every right to speak about the way Jack plays his football, whether that be good or bad.

We will probably continue to see a key forward size player who still cant take a contested mark, and skirt the outside of packs waiting for someone else to get him the ball, but he will be a year older, and less valuable as a trade option.

So yeah, you shouldn't be such a doubter. Of course some things will change.

And don't forget his terrible decision making and lack of awareness.

Watts being dropped for round 22 and his 18th finish in the B&F is a portent of things to come. The refusal to rule out trading him is also a shot across the bow.

If Watts remains there are clear signs that unless he raises his effort levels he'll spend more time at Casey than Melbourne. The ball is in his court.