but would the correlation between those diets and disease be as strong as the correlation between disease and being overweight? So for the normal people amongst us, if this type of diet gets people to a healthier weight, then I'd imagine this is better for them than eating less meat at a heavier weight...?

I was reading about the outcomes of some new research released recently... obviously there are lots of studies, and you could almost find one to justify anything, but these are pretty big claims they're making... and they seem to fit in with the paleo style diet...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/11246112/High-fat-diets-not-as-dangerous-as-high-carbohydrate-plans-claim-scientists.html

as an aside note, I've made a conscious effort at the start of the week to be eating better... thought i'd base that loosely around the paleo diet after reading the coverage earlier in the week, and I've already started to drop weight i wanted to lose. i've been avoiding bread, and eating more fatty foods including meats (particularly bacon), avocado, etc. along with larger amounts of veg, and I think it's definitely making a difference...

Find yourself an easy granola recipe and smash that into you for breakfast w00dy.

It takes a bit of time to make, but it's well worth it.

I tried vegetarianism. My experience was summed up by Dave Hughes who said about becoming a vegatarian "I lost alot of weight.......because there's stuff all to eat.....and I don't like veggies".

I tried the low carbs thing but decided all that meat couldn't be good for my bowels.

I tried intermittent fasting and that worked as long as as I was training.

But everything about diet was trumped by my father who lived through The Great Depression and survived World War II. Whenever i banged on about diet he would look at me with an unsettling earnestness and say "the most important thing son, is to have food". Can't argue with that.

Either you're joking, or that's the stupidest thing I've heard in eons. I hope for your sake it's the latter.

everyone has their theories. just like it seems you do. I don't need your hope webber.. I have plenty.

He's not joking.

Webber, meet dee-luded.

Thanks Nasher, I have seen the random ramblings of dee-luded before, but this seemed to take the ramble into a new sphere of 'WTF'. Ah, the rich tapestry that is Demonland.

your all so clever your smarter than the Pro's at the club & other clubs around the globe.

so you don't want the Paleo diet, simple answer. don't eat it.

I'll back the people at the club to know whats best for us at this moment in time. ahead of your conservative stale views.

Either you're joking, or that's the stupidest thing I've heard in eons. I hope for your sake it's the latter.

Couldn't help myself

http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/upiUPI-20140430-130913-7085

so you don't want the Paleo diet, simple answer. don't eat it.

I'll back the people at the club to know whats best for us at this moment in time. ahead of your conservative stale views.

Nothing to do with it. Read the thread, or your post that was responded to.

Key words to look for are "vegetarian" and "agressive".

This is the bit I have a problem with 'Webber', the debate on this is being skewed to the short term gains. These have included weight loss and performance, 2 things that are bound to get headlines.

Half (Daniel Harford) had one of the proponents of this diet on the other day so I SMS'd a question on the long term effects and specifically on cancer. The answer was he believed this diet helped with inflammation in the body which he suggested was a major cause of cancer. Whilst in his field he is supposedly an expert on inflammation in this case being an expert and having no real facts or studies to back it up didn't add up to me.

Unfortunately not all angles have been taken into account and if they have been considered the answers lack the science to back them up.

Thanks for the info on 'The China Study', I will have a look at it.

inflammation = a potential cause of cancer is it.... or is it more likely that the irritant that causes the inflammation (ie: in the bowel) also causes the cancer after constant irritations?

Sorry dee-luded, but the idea of 'amounts of running' being adverse to muscle growth unless you eat s***loads of meat is nonsense. I presume you're joking about 'aggression'. I eat only fish once or twice a week, but if you pi*s me off, I'll happily beat the cr*p out of you

so marathon runners have to diet to keep the weight off?

Couldn't help myself

http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/upiUPI-20140430-130913-7085

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3293760/

Nothing to do with it. Read the thread, or your post that was responded to.

Key words to look for are "vegetarian" and "agressive".

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3293760/

have a read, you think its so silly?

Either you're joking, or that's the stupidest thing I've heard in eons. I hope for your sake it's the latter.

I think you missed my point Re the aggression, that the high protein will help to add muscle & size quickly; whether some don't like the Paleo or not re other health issues...

if there is any truth the red meat may aid in increasing natural aggression, or the contrary, that vegetarian diets could decrease the aggressive tendencies in some way, Via the iron or other ways thru the digestion & the bodies processing of the nutrients?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3293760/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3293760/

have a read, you think its so silly?

Thanks dee-luded, but I was being facetious (or at least trying to be).

Thanks dee-luded, but I was being facetious (or at least trying to be).

I thought you were making fun, but I thought at my expence at the time. may have felt defensive.

when some come out & ridicule over some idea, it can catch you by surprise. I'm in a perpetual defensive mode here as I have strict fundamental religious christian s sharing a block of land.

they are very critically judgmental ostracizing & even get their friends to spy on me when they're not around. insulting initially, but it does become annoying, frustrating, & eventually plays on your mind. the whole street is behind closed blinds & is a peep show.... even calling the cops on a girl going door to door selling change of electricity suppliers.

so many christians lives seem totally based in fear first. before anything

I'll be outa here as soon as i can after Xmas

I thought you were making fun, but I thought at my expence at the time. may have felt defensive.

when some come out & ridicule over some idea, it can catch you by surprise. I'm in a perpetual defensive mode here as I have strict fundamental religious christian s sharing a block of land.

they are very critically judgmental ostracizing & even get their friends to spy on me when they're not around. insulting initially, but it does become annoying, frustrating, & eventually plays on your mind. the whole street is behind closed blinds & is a peep show.... even calling the cops on a girl going door to door selling change of electricity suppliers.

so many christians lives seem totally based in fear first. before anything

I'll be outa here as soon as i can after Xmas

Apologies for the misinterpreted post.

As a Health teacher I'm always scouring the papers for anything I can use in class and i remembered seeing the report on eating chicken off the bone when i read the banter about aggression and eating meat.

It's a pity there aren't more people in the world that follow the mantra of 'each to their own'.

The diet is going well for me.

Nothing but snags and chops for a week now and I look like a Bronze Statue.

Moving like one also.

Put on 5kgs already.

Not sure if it was mentioned earlier in this thread, but I thought I read somewhere that Port players were on this diet for 2014?

They were renown for being one of the fittest teams in the AFL this year, and if true, I am not against us trying this diet if that might have been a factor...

Apologies for the misinterpreted post.

As a Health teacher I'm always scouring the papers for anything I can use in class and i remembered seeing the report on eating chicken off the bone when i read the banter about aggression and eating meat.

It's a pity there aren't more people in the world that follow the mantra of 'each to their own'.

I'm a big believer that cancer takes quite some time to develop. that a Vego or a Paleo diet for a few years wouldn't be a problem.. but as I said, if i was doing the Paleo style diet I would be taking plenty of metamucil or other fibre to clean out the fats from the gut lining.

we are what we eat

Apologies for the misinterpreted post.

As a Health teacher I'm always scouring the papers for anything I can use in class and i remembered seeing the report on eating chicken off the bone when i read the banter about aggression and eating meat.

It's a pity there aren't more people in the world that follow the mantra of 'each to their own'.

Now that idea would get you the head removal squad in a large part of the world.

Lucky we are allowed to think out loud in Australia.

And for the record I agree.

Now that idea would get you the head removal squad in a large part of the world.

Lucky we are allowed to think out loud in Australia.

And for the record I agree.

Self determination is definitely a privilege we all have and probably take for granted in Australia, except when it comes to death of course, then it's too often up to others to decide when you can 'check-out'. The biggest act of self determination, and yet the one we still treat like children. That's another story though.

You've got to be sure that good science and fact aren't being obscured by rubbish in such a free society of information however, and there's a lot of nutbaggery going on out there when it comes to diet.

Now that idea would get you the head removal squad in a large part of the world.

Lucky we are allowed to think out loud in Australia.

And for the record I agree.

thinking outside the box is where we make our gains from. win some, lose some. but its where we learn & make changes from.

Self determination is definitely a privilege we all have and probably take for granted in Australia, except when it comes to death of course, then it's too often up to others to decide when you can 'check-out'. The biggest act of self determination, and yet the one we still treat like children. That's another story though.

You've got to be sure that good science and fact aren't being obscured by rubbish in such a free society of information however, and there's a lot of nutbaggery going on out there when it comes to diet.

there are more roads to the end point than just the main trodden path.

and we all aspire to different agendas, so specialty diets come into play. enter supplements as well. the reason being it forms the bodies compounds to all more growth & tissue repair recovery etc.

IMO the paleo diet will be temporary as we put on size.

I am not into fancy diets but I have lost 23 kilos in 12 months.......I was inactive, had a beer gut and was lazy ....drank to much beer....ate all the fast foods I could get because I was too lazy to cook for myself......I then went to the doctors and she told me that diabetes was just around the corner and my blood pressure was about to go off the scale.

I then changed my attitude.....I joined a Gym.......Ate a whole lot better(no Macca's No Hungry Jacks) cut down all sugars and breads,.....Started cooking good for you foods.....Walked the dog a lot more(Boy is he a happy chappie now)

What I am trying to say Is that "Every thing in MODERATION".....I love pasta dishes but I only have them as a treat now....Instead of ice cream I have yogat for dessert.

I am now 88kgs.......and that's not bad for a bloke that 6'3' .....That was my playing weight when I retired at 36....Also only have a beer on Sundays with friends and you know what?.......I feel great....The Doctor is as pleased as punch.......and as I'm in my early 60's, I can look forward to the rest of my retirement in good health....

I am not into fancy diets but I have lost 23 kilos in 12 months.......I was inactive, had a beer gut and was lazy ....drank to much beer....ate all the fast foods I could get because I was too lazy to cook for myself......I then went to the doctors and she told me that diabetes was just around the corner and my blood pressure was about to go off the scale.

I then changed my attitude.....I joined a Gym.......Ate a whole lot better(no Macca's No Hungry Jacks) cut down all sugars and breads,.....Started cooking good for you foods.....Walked the dog a lot more(Boy is he a happy chappie now)

What I am trying to say Is that "Every thing in MODERATION".....I love pasta dishes but I only have them as a treat now....Instead of ice cream I have yogat for dessert.

I am now 88kgs.......and that's not bad for a bloke that 6'3' .....That was my playing weight when I retired at 36....Also only have a beer on Sundays with friends and you know what?.......I feel great....The Doctor is as pleased as punch.......and as I'm in my early 60's, I can look forward to the rest of my retirement in good health....

Excellent work Bossdog

Now with all that health and time on your hands can you get down to Gosch's paddock and fire up the dees mate.

Diets are a funny thing. I don't diet, I just stick to healthy meals and when I feel like it, have a cheat meal.

I'm big into the gym and MMA, when I started going to the gym I was a skinny 76kg at 6'2". I tried everything and couldn't put on weight, and if I did it only resulted in a pot belly.

Very clean, healthy eating worked for me, poached chicken, brown rice and broccoli. Now 105kg at 10% bf.

It's honestly what works for you. A vegetarian diet wouldn't work me,yes you can supplement with whey and other proteins however your body can only process a small amount of that stuff at once and the rest is excreted.

I am not into fancy diets but I have lost 23 kilos in 12 months.......I was inactive, had a beer gut and was lazy ....drank to much beer....ate all the fast foods I could get because I was too lazy to cook for myself......I then went to the doctors and she told me that diabetes was just around the corner and my blood pressure was about to go off the scale.

I then changed my attitude.....I joined a Gym.......Ate a whole lot better(no Macca's No Hungry Jacks) cut down all sugars and breads,.....Started cooking good for you foods.....Walked the dog a lot more(Boy is he a happy chappie now)

What I am trying to say Is that "Every thing in MODERATION".....I love pasta dishes but I only have them as a treat now....Instead of ice cream I have yogat for dessert.

I am now 88kgs.......and that's not bad for a bloke that 6'3' .....That was my playing weight when I retired at 36....Also only have a beer on Sundays with friends and you know what?.......I feel great....The Doctor is as pleased as punch.......and as I'm in my early 60's, I can look forward to the rest of my retirement in good health....

Couldn't agree more, good work!

Excellent work Bossdog

Now with all that health and time on your hands can you get down to Gosch's paddock and fire up the dees mate.

Sorry OD.......I live a bit far away to get there.......I will be there in spirit.......I think the dog would be shitty if we had to walk the 30km to get there....