Open Mike: Todd Viney

[Bossdog 2,002]

Sir Why You Little, on 05 May 2015 - 10:47 AM, said:

No

We had people recruiting who should not have been doing the dam job

WYL......Please stop looking for people to blame

Your constant demanding for heads to be lopped off is getting boring....From Admin to the recruiters to the players to the supporters

We have all put money into the club and we all want the club to be successful, but your constant DEMANDING is not going to change a thing.

Just be happy that things are changing.......Have a drink......and smoke 'em if you've got 'em Life is too short to be angry all the time .

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

Then put your bloody hand up and go do better.

Not the question...Why was Todd given the job

What are his actual credentials in recruiting in this modern environment?

[jnrmac 20,090]

I will never understand us not drafting Wines. Once in a generation an opportunity comes around to get a hard at it double act., and mates thrown i to the bargain. We knew that would be the case if we drafted both Wines and Viney. Yes some rated Toumpas higher but it was always about a double act and the dynamics that brings to a team, particularly a midfield. So individually, yes Toumpas over Wines made sense on paper. But Viney plus Wines v Viney plus Toumpas was a no brainer.

Just like Sylvia and McLean? No expert rated Wines above Toumpas. Point to one. You lot are pathetic. Really the hindsight thing is just stupid. Are you still agonising over the teacher overlooking you for lunch monitor in grade 4?

[jnrmac 20,090]

No

We had people recruiting who should not have been doing the dam job

So what, What would you like to do about it now mr rear view mirror?

[Alotta 88]

* The MFC of 2011 (around the time of Bailey's sacking) was the 'most fractured' environment he'd ever been in. Said every decision was second-guessed, there was no trust, no self-belief and no real plan.

"The story of how Stynes saved the Melbourne Football Club is much more than a sporting saga. Demolishing more than $4 million worth of debt was something the AFL initially believed beyond even him, but it was uniting the disenfranchised Demons that remains his most remarkable legacy" Caroline Wilson Age 7 May 2011.

The history of the Club under the leadership of the much-loved Jim Stynes and his successor Don McLardy is a difficult matter for all of us.

We all have a sense of sustained calamity. On the other hand, Jim and his colleagues stepped forward at a time of need, were motivated by the best of intentions and stuck to the task in the face of great and, in Jim's case, persobnal difficulty.

None of this should prevent the writing of the history of the Club accurately and faithfully over this period.

I think Todd's interview last night is a valuable contribution to this history. Most media commentators have to this day followed the Wilson myth that Jim "united the Club". This is a myth on 2 counts. Once the scars of the 2001 Board election had healed, there was no disunity at the Club. All this changed with Jim's election and the commencement of the period Todd referred to and lived through culminating in the events of 186. This period equated to the most sustained and destructive period of disunity at any Club in the modern era.

Edited May 5, 2015 by Grapeviney
Formatting fix

[Bossdog 2,002]

jnrmac, on 05 May 2015 - 12:42 PM, said:

Just like Sylvia and McLean? No expert rated Wines above Toumpas. Point to one. You lot are pathetic. Really the hindsight thing is just stupid. Are you still agonising over the teacher overlooking you for lunch monitor in grade 4?

Yep, Missed the lunch monitor gig........Managed to get the milk monitor job though. lol

[Little Richard 6,262]

Not the question...Why was Todd given the job

What are his actual credentials in recruiting in this modern environment?

99.95% chance no one else on Earth wanted the gig.

[Bossdog 2,002]

Not the question...Why was Todd given the job

What are his actual credentials in recruiting in this modern environment?

So who gets the credit for Vandenburg, Brayshaw, Petraca, Salem, Kennedy-Harris, Kent??????

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

So what, What would you like to do about it now mr rear view mirror?

it would have been nice to be allowed to ask questions at the AGM

But of course those wete heavily filtered.

I am genuinely suprised that more members are not sharing my views on this considering the shambles our midfield is still in.

Maybe having had hip surgery myself i see the absurdity of picking a double hip surgery recruit over a ready made jet.

And it is absurd. His hips may be ok now. But they won't be what they were

[Davos 921]

it would have been nice to be allowed to ask questions at the AGM

But of course those wete heavily filtered.

I am genuinely suprised that more members are not sharing my views on this considering the shambles our midfield is still in.

Maybe having had hip surgery myself i see the absurdity of picking a double hip surgery recruit over a ready made jet.

And it is absurd. His hips may be ok now. But they won't be what they were

I'm now convinced you're taking the [censored].

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

I would have picked Wines just based off YouTube footage. Would have done it for free too. Viney and Wines = explosions in the midfield. I will never forget. We need Petracca to make it now. Brayshaw makes up for Wines so that' helps, but we need Petracca to make it to really atone for that mistake

[Little Richard 6,262]

it would have been nice to be allowed to ask questions at the AGM

But of course those wete heavily filtered.

I am genuinely suprised that more members are not sharing my views on this considering the shambles our midfield is still in.

Maybe having had hip surgery myself i see the absurdity of picking a double hip surgery recruit over a ready made jet.

And it is absurd. His hips may be ok now. But they won't be what they were

WYL, you're only causing yourself pain.

It's in the past, move on. These decisions were made under a different administration and our current one possesses some of the best people in the AFL at the moment. Let them take care of it and save yourself some unnecessary stress.

[praha 11,240]

At the end of the day, we're still harping on about what happens behind the field while we get pummelled by 11 goals. Meanwhile the Dogs have quietly developed their team into an impressive young side of talent despite having lost so much experience.

We still haven't quite turned the corner. It's slow steps, sure, but we haven't had our "Beat Sydney in Sydney" moment yet. Last year's win in Adelaide was great but we were still a pretty average side last year.

I've heard the "we're on the right track" rhetoric before, I hate to sound so negative and bitter, but I'm just keeping my expectations in check.

Viney says when he came to the club that it was "fractured". I'm skeptical of revolutionary change in business (quick, erratic turnover) because it actually leads to more instability and downtime. The entire backend has changed, and the team has essentially changed in a matter of, what, two years? Since middle of 2013, but really the start of 2014.

We are still a long, long way off being a great football club, and even further away being simply just a good football team.

Fans have every right to be [censored] off about Toumpas over Wines because the club is not in a position now where it can fluff its drafting and development. It HAS to get it right. We don't get a second chance like we did after 2010. If we mess it up again, it's another decade at the bottom and this club can't survive that.

Sunday's game showed to me (some here might disagree) that this is still in a way a fractured ball club: I'm not sure the team went out there to win. They went out there to lose, and lose admirably before it broke down.

How do you even change that? Who do you hold to account?

We bag Neeld on here but remember, he came in with the same criticisms of the club that everyone else has had since. Roos says it and he's a messiah, but when Neeld said it we wondered if he was being too harsh on the club.

"The story of how Stynes saved the Melbourne Football Club is much more than a sporting saga. Demolishing more than $4 million worth of debt was something the AFL initially believed beyond even him, but it was uniting the disenfranchised Demons that remains his most remarkable legacy" Caroline Wilson Age 7 May 2011.

The history of the Club under the leadership of the much-loved Jim Stynes and his successor Don McLardy is a difficult matter for all of us.

We all have a sense of sustained calamity. On the other hand, Jim and his colleagues stepped forward at a time of need, were motivated by the best of intentions and stuck to the task in the face of great and, in Jim's case, persobnal difficulty.

None of this should prevent the writing of the history of the Club accurately and faithfully over this period.

I think Todd's interview last night is a valuable contribution to this history. Most media commentators have to this day followed the Wilson myth that Jim "united the Club". This is a myth on 2 counts. Once the scars of the 2001 Board election had healed, there was no disunity at the Club. All this changed with Jim's election and the commencement of the period Todd referred to and lived through culminating in the events of 186. This period equated to the most sustained and destructive period of disunity at any Club in the modern era.

Yeah, Stynes came in and wiped the debt but it was a bandaid solution. Jim, rest his soul, also oversaw one of the worst periods in the club's history. He should and his colleagues at the time should be held to account for that (and in many cases they were).

I'm still shocked at how bad this club has been for so long. A

Anyone would think the MFC was a subsidiary of Kruger Industrial Smoothing.

Edited May 5, 2015 by praha

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

I'm now convinced you're taking the [censored].

then you are wrong.

I spent 5 years in hospital mate. I know a bit about surgery and rehab...

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

At the end of the day, we're still harping on about what happens behind the field while we get pummelled by 11 goals. Meanwhile the Dogs have quietly developed their team into an impressive young side of talent despite having lost so much experience.

We still haven't quite turned the corner. It's slow steps, sure, but we haven't had our "Beat Sydney in Sydney" moment yet. Last year's win in Adelaide was great but we were still a pretty average side last year.

I've heard the "we're on the right track" rhetoric before, I hate to sound so negative and bitter, but I'm just keeping my expectations in check.

Viney says when he came to the club that it was "fractured". I'm skeptical of revolutionary change in business (quick, erratic turnover) because it actually leads to more instability and downtime. The entire backend has changed, and the team has essentially changed in a matter of, what, two years? Since middle of 2013, but really the start of 2014.

We are still a long, long way off being a great football club, and even further away being simply just a good football team.

Fans have every right to be [censored] off about Toumpas over Wines because the club is not in a position now where it can fluff its drafting and development. It HAS to get it right. We don't get a second chance like we did after 2010. If we mess it up again, it's another decade at the bottom and this club can't survive that.

Sunday's game showed to me (some here might disagree) that this is still in a way a fractured ball club: I'm not sure the team went out there to win. They went out there to lose, and lose admirably before it broke down.

How do you even change that? Who do you hold to account?

We bag Neeld on here but remember, he came in with the same criticisms of the club that everyone else has had since. Roos says it and he's a messiah, but when Neeld said it we wondered if he was being too harsh on the club.

Yeah, Stynes came in and wiped the debt but it was a bandaid solution. Jim, rest his soul, also oversaw one of the worst periods in the club's history. He should and his colleagues at the time should be held to account for that (and in many cases they were).

I'm still shocked at how bad this club has been for so long. A

Anyone would think the MFC was a subsidiary of Kruger Industrial Smoothing.

bang on mate 100%

It is why i am suprised that so many supporters have been so forgiving

We should have been able to take actions at certain AGM's but certain topics were off limits

The Toumpas fiasco (let's remember he can only play out a half of footy at Casey as of last week) was the final act from our past, it may still be the worst

Against any midfield of genuine talent we are still eons away after 10 seasons

People keep telling me to "Let it go..."

Amazing.

[ManDee 7,153]

then you are wrong.

I spent 5 years in hospital mate. I know a bit about surgery and rehab...

Working or a patient?

Edit: Sorry none of my business.

Edited May 5, 2015 by ManDee

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

Working or a patient?

Edit: Sorry none of my business.

Patient MD. i knew every room of the old childrens hospital....

[Macca 16,972]

Unless there is a complete overhaul of the drafting system it stands to reason that we will continue to draft busts ... all the clubs will.

Even a complete overhaul won't fix things completely.

To make criticisms of choices in the draft requires an almost complete buy-in to the current drafting process - why would anyone do that?

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Edited May 5, 2015 by Macca

[Cranky Franky 2,061]

SWYL You are like the bloke moaning cause he didn't buy the BHP shares when they were $8 or that block of land at Byron Bay when it was only $3000. Everyone is a genius in hindsight.

There is a large element of luck in all recruiting decisions. All we need to worry about is that our current recruiters know what they are doing - unlike previous recruiters.

[nutbean 8,838]

The Toumpas fiasco (let's remember he can only play out a half of footy at Casey as of last week) was the final act from our past, it may still be the worst

Against any midfield of genuine talent we are still eons away after 10 seasons

Still may be the worse ? That's the way - keep waiting for everything to play out - then you can look back in the rear vision with more confidence and criticise. That's a pretty easy gig.

Fiasco ...pfftttt...

[Slartibartfast 17,297]

Thanks for your contributions DF, what do you contribute apart from abuse?

More than you and he's only posted 5 times.

And I haven't seen the other 4.

Edited May 5, 2015 by Baghdad Bob

[jnrmac 20,090]

99.95% chance no one else on Earth wanted the gig.

I thnk from memory we had signed Jason taylor and Coll wouldn't let him go. We needed a fill in for a year.

[jnrmac 20,090]

Patient MD. i knew every room of the old childrens hospital....

Clearly your stint in hospital affected your reasoning ability,,,,

[Macca 16,972]

SWYL You are like the bloke moaning cause he didn't buy the BHP shares when they were $8 or that block of land at Byron Bay when it was only $3000. Everyone is a genius in hindsight.

There is a large element of luck in all recruiting decisions. All we need to worry about is that our current recruiters know what they are doing - unlike previous recruiters.

Yet good old Barry snared T-Mac with pick 53 in the 2010 draft (he also picked Jeremy Howe with pick 33 in the same draft)

Pure luck or an inspired choice?

Hell, I even got caught up in all the hype with Scully & Trengove (for a short time) Just about all the football world was convinced that we'd struck gold with those 2. Picking both those 2 was the very definition of a no-brainer.

Prendergast was never going to go against conventional thinking ... that's the issue - conventional thinking when it comes to drafting in the AFL is flawed. Going against conventional thinking also has it's flaws.

It's a risk either way ... those wanting perfect results from an imperfect system really need to do a re-think.

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

More than you and he's only posted 5 times.

And I haven't seen the other 4.

you have had a chip on the shoulder a lot longer than i have Bob....