5 hours ago, Dockett 32 said:

Roos comment "We don't have a Dangerfield" says a couple of things to me. Firstly Prestia just shortened and it was a veiled comment on our skippers effort. Normally I'm a bit of a fan of Jonesy but he didn't show up yesterday. Not what you would expect of a leader.

Nathan Jones should have responded with "We don't have an Alistair Clarkson". Roos didn't show up once again. Not what you would expect of a leader.

2 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Nathan Jones should have responded with "We don't have an Alistair Clarkson". Roos didn't show up once again. Not what you would expect of a leader.

You know what..  the thing is I reckon Roos did... That's just it. A great assembler... creator of culture. Fn useless day game general. His lieutenants aren't much on game day either. We've got some great people in the FD.  Just no one to organise a win .

We may need more than just Prestia and Hibberd to help out we at least need 2-3 line breaking players plus another key defender too

31 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Very interesting if true regarding Prestia..

And Tom McDonald is a peanut if he is seriously asking that much.

Agreed RE McDonald. I love him, he is a good player. And maybe he'd command close to that on the open market, but if he wants success he won't get it. I remember reading someone like Gibson at Hawthorn was on $400k. If he wants silly coin, he'll have to move on.

Just now, deanox said:

Agreed RE McDonald. I love him, he is a good player. And maybe he'd command close to that on the open market, but if he wants success he won't get it. I remember reading someone like Gibson at Hawthorn was on $400k. If he wants silly coin, he'll have to move on.

yet dawes was (reportedly) on 600k (and on the old salary cap deal)

anyway, i'm just cherry picking with dawes just as you are cherry picking with gibson

we aren't going to keep/attract players offering hawthorn type contracts (for obvious reasons) and suggesting 400k for tmac is an insult

i don;t know what tmac is really worth under the new (yet to be announced) salary cap but it would be a lot lot more than 400k

13 minutes ago, deanox said:

Agreed RE McDonald. I love him, he is a good player. And maybe he'd command close to that on the open market, but if he wants success he won't get it. I remember reading someone like Gibson at Hawthorn was on $400k. If he wants silly coin, he'll have to move on.

What if Sydney can offer him $700k? 

He is worth what the market will pay, and to me a very good KPD, with plenty of potential and scope for improvement (he is still so young), is worth a lot. There are lots of teams desperate for defenders. Hurley will command $800k a year easily. McDonald is younger and hasn't spent a year out of the game. McDonald is probably worth around $500k per year, but I would rather pay him overs, than spend the next 10 years saying we didn't win a final because we don't have good enough defenders. 

4 minutes ago, Jaded said:

What if Sydney can offer him $700k? 

He is worth what the market will pay, and to me a very good KPD, with plenty of potential and scope for improvement (he is still so young), is worth a lot. There are lots of teams desperate for defenders. Hurley will command $800k a year easily. McDonald is younger and hasn't spent a year out of the game. McDonald is probably worth around $500k per year, but I would rather pay him overs, than spend the next 10 years saying we didn't win a final because we don't have good enough defenders. 

well 500k on the old cap is probably 550-600k on the new cap. so if his manager is asking 700k it not a silly ambit position

If someone wants to offer it it's what he's worth.

 

As they say, costs 20% more to bring a player in. Is T Mac worth $550-580k a year to us? Absolutely, in my book.

Anyone can have him for $700k

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Anyone can have him for $700k

Hopefully us 

Just now, Demons11 said:

Hopefully us 

Hopefully not. Not worth it. That's prima Donna backman dollars.  Tom's a very good 2nd backman. 

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

Hopefully not. Not worth it. That's prima Donna backman dollars.  Tom's a very good 2nd backman. 

ok, so state a price, bub

 

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

ok, so state a price, bub

 

550-600 

Adjusted to new cba

To prompt the next question. Tom can't be paid what ever we ought to pay our top backman.... because he isn't

Edited July 18, 20169 yr by beelzebub

Just now, beelzebub said:

550-600 

How much do you think Jonesy is on? 

4 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

550-600 

Adjusted to new cba

To prompt the next question. Tom can't be paid what ever we ought to pay our top backman.... because he isn't

roughly my thinking too

4 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

How much do you think Jonesy is on? 

Relevance

9 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Relevance

He would be on 600 plus I would assume, T Mac is much important to us than our mids including Jonesy and therefore you need to pay him premium $$$$$.  

Edited July 18, 20169 yr by Demons11

12 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

550-600 

Adjusted to new cba

To prompt the next question. Tom can't be paid what ever we ought to pay our top backman.... because he isn't

Who is our no. 1 back then? Or do they just grow on trees 

2 hours ago, goodwindees said:

Two pieces of info I found it yesterday is that Dees have a 5 year ofer on the Table for Prestia. I wasn't told how much, just how long. 

I was was also told that Tom Mac wants $700,000 per season.  

Watch some numpty journo report this in the next couple of days as a "rumour from a Melbourne insider".

41 minutes ago, Jaded said:

but I would rather pay him overs, than spend the next 10 years saying we didn't win a final because we don't have good enough defenders. 

Yes, because Tom McDonald himself will be the determining factor as to whether or not we can win a final over the next 10 years.

Brilliant.

7 minutes ago, Ricky P said:

Watch some numpty journo report this in the next couple of days as a "rumour from a Melbourne insider".

We could start a book:

John Ralph $2.50

Purple   $2.75

Jay Clark  $3.00

Slobbo  $3.50

 

1 minute ago, Roger Mellie said:

We could start a book:

John Ralph $2.50

Purple   $2.75

Jay Clark  $3.00

Slobbo  $3.50

 

Those odds for Jon Ralph are way too long

1 minute ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Yes, because Tom McDonald himself will be the determining factor as to whether or not we can win a final over the next 10 years.

Brilliant.

You don't reckon a quality key defender can't be the difference between winning and losing a final? Really?

4 minutes ago, Ricky P said:

You don't reckon a quality key defender can't be the difference between winning and losing a final? Really?

Clearly if Tom McDonald chooses to leave, we'll get someone in to take his spot.

But no, just like Frawley, I don't believe losing one player with serious limitations to their game at this point in time will decide whether or not we are able to win a final.

He can be a quality defender and he can also be an awful defender.

If he plays high quality football consistently for a couple of years then yes, I'll change my mind.

47 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Who is our no. 1 back then? Or do they just grow on trees 

We don't have one ...wake up