Routine is comforting...

The mental scars are not restricted to our playing group, some of our supporters have much deeper, untreated mental scars.

The mental scars are not restricted to our playing group, some of our supporters have much deeper, untreated mental scars.

Yes eight years of vfl level performance does tend to do that.

Consider this

Whatever happened yesterday, you might have lost a game; today you start a fresh new game, the score is 0:0. Learn to think like a winner. Think positive and visualize your strengths. What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us. Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude. It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right.

Consider this

Whatever happened yesterday, you might have lost a game; today you start a fresh new game, the score is 0:0. Learn to think like a winner. Think positive and visualize your strengths. What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us. Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude. It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right.

Yes, that is a righteous attitude.

But I will add that the pessimist has been right for 8 years...

Sometimes optimism and realism are not mutually exclusive.

Consider this

Whatever happened yesterday, you might have lost a game; today you start a fresh new game, the score is 0:0. Learn to think like a winner. Think positive and visualize your strengths. What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us. Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude. It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right.

Correct. How many other companies would endure 8 years of total enept peformance and still be forgiven by shareholders?

2 Pre seasons from Roos and co and we should expect massive change and improvement

Sorry if you disagree rp

I don't know what to say.

You are stating with a straight face that you expect us to 'be beating everyone'. You are actually saying that the only thing you would be satisfied with in 2015 is to go the season undefeated.

I would like to get home from work to find Olivia Munn and a bottle of Dom Perignon in my bed. It's not going to happen.

As old dee reminded me recently, season 2013 was quite simply one of the worst seasons any club has ever produced.

That was TWO years ago.

If we are good enough this year to lose to the Hawks by a point, as an example of our hypothetical improvement, that should logically mean we will finish about 5th-6th at least. If that happens I will be doing friggin cartwheels. So will you, I don't know why you are putting up this charade TBH.

I'm certainly not confident though. For 2015 or the future in general. In a few years cross, jamar, vince, lumumba, dunn, jones, garland and dawes will all be gone. Who is our next generation? Hogan, Viney and Tyson are the only three I can pencil in at this stage.

Let's not even get into the fact that Roos has an agreement to just take his money and wish us luck at the end of 2016. Apparently I am the only Melbourne supporter that finds that strange and concerning.

Natalie Portman

Natalie Portman

That's fine as long as you are not envisaging her in Leon - the Professional.

Correct. How many other companies would endure 8 years of total enept peformance and still be forgiven by shareholders?

2 Pre seasons from Roos and co and we should expect massive change and improvement

Sorry if you disagree rp

Have a look at my sig and you will see massive improvement and change - but it still left us with 18 losses...

We could have the same and it not mean making the finals.

That's the overtrodden, oft-repeated, and unescapable (except for one apparently) truth.

Have a look at my sig and you will see massive improvement and change - but it still left us with 18 losses...

We could have the same and it not mean making the finals.

That's the overtrodden, oft-repeated, and unescapable (except for one apparently) truth.

You saw Massive improvement last year....I saw 10 straight losses

The major difference in our thinking is that i want to witness winning flags before i die..You are happy with incremental change...

Your stats maybe spot on but with your philosophies we will all be 290 years old before September can be considered

Sometimes you just gotta jump.....Make yourself ready...

I expect the balloon to be pr!cked in 3 hours time. We just dont have the midfield or the rucks.

5 wins this year. I hope however to see some good passages of play.

You saw Massive improvement last year....I saw 10 straight losses

The major difference in our thinking is that i want to witness winning flags before i die..You are happy with incremental change...

Your stats maybe spot on but with your philosophies we will all be 290 years old before September can be considered

Sometimes you just gotta jump.....Make yourself ready...

Jesus we get it

You were put in your place several pages ago

I expect the balloon to be pr!cked in 3 hours time. We just dont have the midfield or the rucks.

5 wins this year. I hope however to see some good passages of play.

Yes, that is a righteous attitude.

But I will add that the pessimist has been right for 8 years...

Sometimes optimism and realism are not mutually exclusive.

In any journey you must take the first step. The first step is always the most difficult for some.

Age will make you better or it will make you bitter. The MFC have more than their fair share of bitter followers.

Bitter people build a culture of negativity, criticism, hostility, distrust and hesitation that ultimately is rejected by the good people.

Good people build good football clubs. Now there is a dose of realism.

Jesus we get it

You were put in your place several pages ago

what? By you...

That's fine as long as you are not envisaging her in Leon - the Professional.

Not a problem

In any journey you must take the first step. The first step is always the most difficult for some.

Age will make you better or it will make you bitter. The MFC have more than their fair share of bitter followers.

Bitter people build a culture of negativity, criticism, hostility, distrust and hesitation that ultimately is rejected by the good people.

Good people build good football clubs. Now there is a dose of realism.

The first steps have been taken (again, as my signature suggests), and 'bitter people' and 'good people' are the same people with different mindsets. Unless you think those 'fair share' should be spurned rather than rehabilitated.

I am optimistic about 2015 but I don't hold expectations out of line with what I know of football.

That isn't bitterness.

what? By you...

Me and several others who pointed out the idiocy of your stance. You can see for yourself of course by navigating the pages of this thread.

Me and several others who pointed out the idiocy of your stance. You can see for yourself of course by navigating the pages of this thread.

I will leave that to you Curry

If you think what i have stated is idiotic i feel sorry for you.

You will be an old man waiting for success.

The first steps have been taken (again, as my signature suggests), and 'bitter people' and 'good people' are the same people with different mindsets. Unless you think those 'fair share' should be spurned rather than rehabilitated.

I am optimistic about 2015 but I don't hold expectations out of line with what I know of football.

That isn't bitterness.

From a playing group 100% agree first steps have been taken. However, at this stage we have restructured using AFL money and the ship is being steered by AFL approved people. The big challenge will come when our destiny returns to our membership.

Spurned - rehabilitated depends on their course of action, where in the past they have been a destructive, conservative group reluctant to embrace change - focused on instant gratification. Some may argue selfish short term interests.

From a playing group 100% agree first steps have been taken. However, at this stage we have restructured using AFL money and the ship is being steered by AFL approved people. The big challenge will come when our destiny returns to our membership.

Spurned - rehabilitated depends on their course of action, where in the past they have been a destructive, conservative group reluctant to embrace change - focused on instant gratification. Some may argue selfish short term interests.

Our membership is destructive?

What have we destroyed?

It looks to me like the wool-dyed members of this club have done nothing less than save the club by sticking by it during its malaise.

As for the 'destiny returning to our membership' - if I am following that as 'bitter people turning into good people' then that will happen when the club consistently displays a brand of football becoming of its members:

- tough

- relentless

- resilient

- and bravely optimistic.

I don't know how to properly describe the members and supporters of this club, but 'beyond reproach' comes to mind.

Our membership is destructive?

Definately not, this club has a fantastic core group that have remained positive and committed for many years. A truly amazing effort.

Definately not, this club has a fantastic core group that have remained positive and committed for many years. A truly amazing effort.

This place is full of that 'fantastic core group,' and we don't need sermons about bitterness and club destruction.

Barrassi loved a saying "if it is to be, it is up to me" and that 'fantastic core group' have lived that saying and has kept the club in the future tense of that idiom.

The first steps have been taken (again, as my signature suggests), and 'bitter people' and 'good people' are the same people with different mindsets. Unless you think those 'fair share' should be spurned rather than rehabilitated.

I am optimistic about 2015 but I don't hold expectations out of line with what I know of football.

That isn't bitterness.

I am with you rpfc

Last night gave me exactly what I expected with a couple more and a couple less than hoped.

This place is full of that 'fantastic core group,' and we don't need sermons about bitterness and club destruction.

Barrassi loved a saying "if it is to be, it is up to me" and that 'fantastic core group' have lived that saying and has kept the club in the future tense of that idiom.

You are missing the point. I agree there is a fair amount of passion demonstrated here. Most threads are almost unreadable, over flowing with negativity, name calling and down right mistruths.

As an outsider, perception is stronger than reality. You wanted realism, look around objectively and consider what newbies would think. You know the same people you want to join to grow your community. Do you think they see this place favourably or unfavourably?

Rightly or wrong you are a reflection of the MFC affiliated or not.

You are missing the point. I agree there is a fair amount of passion demonstrated here. Most threads are almost unreadable, over flowing with negativity, name calling and down right mistruths.

As an outsider, perception is stronger than reality. You wanted realism, look around objectively and consider what newbies would think. You know the same people you want to join to grow your community. Do you think they see this place favourably or unfavourably?

Rightly or wrong you are a reflection of the MFC affiliated or not.

If you can't legitimately evaluate yourself when you are poor, how do you improve.

I would like newbies to think that we are not on the grass and everything hasn't been fine and dandy.