Worried and disgruntled about Roos' limited tenure

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

My main worry is how it manifests in the minds of our players. Camaraderie and culture are cultivated when everyone's on the same page and working to the same outcome. What happens to a team when its leader has already signalled he'll be jumping off at the next station?

Good point

We already have rats deserting the ship.. how strong can you build a culture if your coach has made a half-ar5ed commitment.. how strong is the desire to stick around and work at it as a player

[bing181 9,219]

which I have mentioned in the OP (helps to actually read it). I asked why not remain senior coach if he is still around.

You know as well as everyone why he won't remain senior coach. He has a wife/family, football is an 80 hour a week job, and sooner or later it's time for the former rather than the latter. He's been clear that they'll move to Hawaii, that his wife also has a life/business/future and that things are already in place in that regard, and even adding one year on to the original two was stretching things.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Maybe after three years a younger coach like Goodwin will be the answer.

like Bailey and Neeld eh

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Very impressed with Roos. Took his time evaluating players, works well with the administrators of the club, always measured and not afraid to point out the competition's anomalies as they impact the club he represents.

Plenty of good stuff to come.

not for long though

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

The overarching thought here seems to be that '3 years is plenty'

FMD did we just finish 17th or didn't we?

a few stats:

qw f a % ave
'13 20 1455 2691 54.1 66-122 (-56)
'14 30 1336 1954 68.4 61-89 (-28)

i50 cl disp ED%
'13 40.0 32.8 319 70.9
'14 40.5 34.2 351 73.8

the improvement of his first year can be measured simply by the fact we reduced our losing margin from 56 to 28.

That's not a bad start

How much further can he possibly take us with 2 more though

Are you all going to be happy if we win say, 8 games, in 2015 and then it's Goodwin time?

I sure as hell won't be

Edited October 3, 2014 by Curry & Beer

[Choko 493]

This is a ridiculous thread. You don't get to choose Roos' terms. You choose Roos for 3 or no Roos. We should be comforted that 3 years of Roos is better than 10 years of most, and then Goodwin learns from Roos and takes over seamlessly with Roos still present. This is the very least of our problems.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

This is a ridiculous thread. You don't get to choose Roos' terms. You choose Roos for 3 or no Roos. We should be comforted that 3 years of Roos is better than 10 years of most, and then Goodwin learns from Roos and takes over seamlessly with Roos still present. This is the very least of our problems.

instead of parroting what others have said why don't you answer the question - 4 wins 2014, 6 wins 2015, 8 wins 14 losses in 2016 then Goodwin has his debut season as a head coach in the AFL - will you be happy with that ?

[Little Goffy 14,525]

I may have missed where on the board this conversation has been going on - but was anybody else a little surprised and disappointed at the news that Goodwin has been 'locked in' as the next coach?

I was pretty confident that all this talk of succession was just theatre - a way for Roos to leave a back door unlocked in case everything goes '[censored] up'

However, it would seem that the 3-year tenure was actually all on the level.

I don't understand it - why is Roos not like every other coach in the comp; looking to build a list and teach them a plan, to stay on board as long as they'll have him, to incrementally achieve successes until the ultimate one - and then try to back it up again and again.

Is he really just going to disappear if he has this mob in the top 8 at the end of 2015? What's this 'role' he is apparently going to stay in? Why doesn't he just remain senior coach if he is still going to be around?

I have had an uneasy feeling about this half-hearted commitment to the club since day one. So pre-season 2016 we are back to the drawing board are we?

Goodwin to me provides no more confidence than Bailey or Neeld. He is just another apprentice with no runs on the board.

Thoughts?

Melbourne Football Club announces plan, appoints first-rate people to deliver on plan, makes progress on schedule and according to plan.

To top it all off, we had a successful trade and draft period last year.

Fans are, understandably, anxious.

It's a bit like your spouse suddenly making a special effort to bring home flowers, do their share of the cleaning, arrange time for doing something special on wednesday nights...

Something is up.

[Fork 'em 6,983]

I'm with you C&B, this succession thing is BS.
Not happy we've locked in Goodwin either.
Who knows who will be available in a year or 2?

Reakon Roos is overrated too.
He was in the right place at the right time at the Swans.
Inherited Eades list.
Used Lyons game plan.
Handed over to Longmire when the list aged and become time to rebuild.

[PaulRB 6,362]

which I have mentioned in the OP (helps to actually read it). I asked why not remain senior coach if he is still around.

As odd as it may sound, perhaps Roos has other things he'd like to do with his like than working 60 hour weeks under extreme scrutiny to achieve something he's already done...

[Arrow 1,257]

It doesn't bother me toooo much, that said if we draft his son I'll be asking questions about motivation.

[General Malaise 208]

Roos isn't giving 100%?

I don't doubt for a second he's giving 100% EVERY day.

My point was that by his own admission (I've only read that in these very pages mind you rather from Roosy himself) the rebuild is a 5 year project, he's signed on for 3 (it's obviously at least a 5 year thing nonetheless). Well 3 out of 5 is not 100% in anyone's language.

Most coaches sign on with an intention of taking a team to a Premiership (100% success) rather than a designated period at 100% effort. Of course most coaches fail in that, but that's their intent.

That's all I'm saying. Not saying it won't/can't work.

Edited October 3, 2014 by Stick Fat

[Pates 9,660]

If nothing else we have stability in place, Roos always said his goal was to build the foundation from which we would become a competitive club and from there we have a new coach with philosophies similar to Roos but a new (hopefully upward) direction.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

The overarching thought here seems to be that '3 years is plenty'

FMD did we just finish 17th or didn't we?

a few stats:

qw f a % ave

'13 20 1455 2691 54.1 66-122 (-56)

'14 30 1336 1954 68.4 61-89 (-28)

i50 cl disp ED%

'13 40.0 32.8 319 70.9

'14 40.5 34.2 351 73.8

the improvement of his first year can be measured simply by the fact we reduced our losing margin from 56 to 28.

That's not a bad start

How much further can he possibly take us with 2 more though

Are you all going to be happy if we win say, 8 games, in 2015 and then it's Goodwin time?

I sure as hell won't be

Well what in the world are you going to do about it? Serious question there... so you're not happy we get Roos for the 3 years he promised us and that Goodwin will take over after working closely under Roos for 2 of those years. Fantastic. Super. But what the hell can you do about it? Go on mate, be angry. I know you like being that way so you can jump on here and fly off the handle. But you're getting annoyed/angry/worried about something that is totally out of our control. Roos said 2-3 years from the start - we might have held on to the notion that he will stay longer, and while he will in some capacity, he has stuck to his word through everything.

All we can do is trust in Roos and PJ that they have chosen the right man to take over from Roos when he finishes. He did that with Longmire, and look how that worked out. Ross Lyon did as well and look how that worked out. We are finally looking stable across the board as a club yet you still look to find some form of fault in it, and it's something we can do nothing about. Roos has the proven track record there and I choose to trust in his decisions. God only knows that he has more runs on the board than a Bailey or Neeld ever did.

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

I'm with you C&B, this succession thing is BS.

Not happy we've locked in Goodwin either.

Who knows who will be available in a year or 2?

Reakon Roos is overrated too.

He was in the right place at the right time at the Swans.

Inherited Eades list.

Used Lyons game plan.

Handed over to Longmire when the list aged and become time to rebuild.

Sounds like you're itching for a sack Roos thread. Edited October 3, 2014 by america de cali

[Fork 'em 6,983]

And that just would not do, would it.
We'll see how the trade period goes.
If he swaps our picks for a handful of washed up Lumumbas.
I'll start 1

Edited October 3, 2014 by Fork 'em

[ILLDieADemon 804]

We are paying Roosy a truck load of money to fix this club so if he thinks Simon Goodwin is the right coach to take us forward

"IN ROOS WE TRUST".

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

God only knows that he has more runs on the board than a Bailey or Neeld ever did.

2010: 8-13-1 94.52% Pos:12th Coach: D.Bailey

2011: 8-13-1 85.27% Pos:13th Coach: D.Bailey

2014: 4-18 68.37% Pos:17th Coach: P.Roos

[Choko 493]

You're right. He can't coach.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Think a few people have conveniently forgotten we lost the last TEN, three of them by over 10 goals

I think there is a great deal of premature Roos worship at this stage

[Wiseblood 24,637]

2010: 8-13-1 94.52% Pos:12th Coach: D.Bailey

2011: 8-13-1 85.27% Pos:13th Coach: D.Bailey

2014: 4-18 68.37% Pos:17th Coach: P.Roos

P. Roos - 1 premiership

D. Bailey/M. Neeld - 0 premierships

You're a fool C&B.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Well what in the world are you going to do about it? Serious question there...

odd response. Do you go around to every comment on every thread and point out we should only be discussing things that we have control over?

Newsflash buddy - not one topic on this board is under ANY control by ANYONE on this forum - but we talk about it

bizarre response

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

P. Roos - 1 premiership

D. Bailey/M. Neeld - 0 premierships

You're a fool C&B.

who has coached a better season at the MFC (with a worse list mind you)

Bailey or Roos

Edited October 3, 2014 by Curry & Beer

[Choko 493]

All of the above. Just not Roos.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

All of the above. Just not Roos.

oops