I would pass as well We need to start new and that shouldnt include Hacks like Harry

I wouldn't describe Harry as a Hack but I don't think he satisfies our main need off half back. We consistently shoot ourselves in the foot with poor disposal and decision making resulting in turnovers

Harry can find the footy, he can break lines but his disposal & decision making aren't great. Better than some we have currently but not great. His one on one defending is ordinary at best & he doesn't really do the mop-up across half back like Heath Shaw for example.

I'd be doubling our efforts to get Malceski. He is what we need. Failing that I'd be looking to prise Suckling away from the Hawks. Suckling has been described as a one trick pony but it's a trick we are desperately in need of - the ability to use the footy.

If Collingwood are so desperate to be shed of Harry O then I'd be saying ok, we'll take him off your hands but don't expect much for him. His value is limited - he's played 200 games & he's not likely to have many more seasons left in him. If you don't like it, find him another home.

Nor would I tie him to a deal involving Clark. Two very separate situations & transactions

After further consideration, I'm retracting my "hell no" and replacing it with a "well, whatever"

Ha, that's so Yossarian.

If Collingwood are so desperate to be shed of Harry O then I'd be saying ok, we'll take him off your hands but don't expect much for him. His value is limited - he's played 200 games & he's not likely to have many more seasons left in him. If you don't like it, find him another home.

Nor would I tie him to a deal involving Clark. Two very separate situations & transactions

+1

It was thrown up on SEN as a WATTS for LUMUMBA trade... Interested to see peoples thoughts...

No and no.

If Lumumba wants out let him walk into the pre-season draft, nothing further should be offered.

He wanting to leave is a Collingwood problem, if we want him we should capitalize on their problem.

I must be watching a different game.

HL can not defend, is terrible one on one. He was good in 2010 when him and Maxwell just played loose third man up defenders and run off but once he has been found out as a defender that cant defend hes had to moved up to the wing. Teams just isolated him one out in the 50 and he was found out.

Hes not a great kick, just bombs it long and high.

Yes hell play 20 games at melb but I wouldnt want to be paying too much for him, trade wise.

Id pass.

He should slide in seamlessly then because we have a backline that don't particularly defend one on one that well, they do defend as a team quite well though.

As for just bombing it long and high, why is this any worse than missing a target who is 25 metres away instead hitting his opponent lace out.

He is an upgrade on the incumbents and for that reason should be heavily considered, which is what is happening.

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He should slide in seamlessly then because we have a backline that don't particularly defend one on one that well, they do defend as a team quite well though.

As for just bombing it long and high, why is this any worse than missing a target who is 25 metres away instead hitting his opponent lace out.

He is an upgrade on the incumbents and for that reason should be heavily considered, which is what is happening.

Not really a ringing endorsement on him though is it- he will fit in cos were [censored] anyway is basically what you're saying. And saying he's an upgrade on our current running backs is nothing to put your hat on.

What about the negative impact he will have on locker room morale. He'd be the [censored] you'd just humour in a conversation and then discuss with your friends what an utter dick he is .

Not really a ringing endorsement on him though is it- he will fit in cos were [censored] anyway is basically what you're saying. And saying he's an upgrade on our current running backs is nothing to put your hat on.

What about the negative impact he will have on locker room morale. He'd be the [censored] you'd just humour in a conversation and then discuss with your friends what an utter [censored] he is .

Where has it been said he would have a negative impact on locker room morale? We only know a fraction of what goes on behind closed doors, and if the bloke was a problem he would have been given the flick a long time ago. That excuse doesn't hold much weight to be honest.

Where has it been said he would have a negative impact on locker room morale? We only know a fraction of what goes on behind closed doors, and if the bloke was a problem he would have been given the flick a long time ago. That excuse doesn't hold much weight to be honest.

And he wants to leave Collingwood Why?? What doesnt he have a problem with? Perhaps he needs to go to the Vatican to meet the Pope before he commits elsewhere

Surely, the MFC are the kings of no bouncing. We must have the lowest number in the AFL for a few years.

At least this guy will run, carry, take-them-on, bounce, attract 3 opposition players, which will, if my maths is good, free up a few Melbourne players for over-lap footy.

I prefer Mitch Robinson though, as that manic contested ball freak that isn't one-paced. But granted, I know how HarryO will add to our stocks.

Where has it been said he would have a negative impact on locker room morale? We only know a fraction of what goes on behind closed doors, and if the bloke was a problem he would have been given the flick a long time ago. That excuse doesn't hold much weight to be honest.

His over inflated ego and holier than thou attitude would have a big bearing on morale. He is "that guy"..

His over inflated ego and holier than thou attitude would have a big bearing on morale. He is "that guy"..

I've only ever heard respected people in football like former teammates Ball, Dawes and Maxwell speak in glowing terms about HL and his character. I'll take their word over media gossip and innuendo.

Did you hear that on the TV? lol

Did you hear that on the TV? lol

And you're getting all your 100% factual inside mail from..... Lol

we are such a precious lot aren't we

we have one of the worst lists ever in the history of the afl

we have to turn over mega amount of players to improve the list

where do posters think we are going to get all these "stars" we crave/insist on setting up impossibly high requirements

lumumba will do me fine. he will improve the list immediately and so we move on with the slow process of rebuilding

we are such a precious lot aren't we

we have one of the worst lists ever in the history of the afl

we have to turn over mega amount of players to improve the list

where do posters think we are going to get all these "stars" we crave/insist on setting up impossibly high requirements

lumumba will do me fine. he will improve the list immediately and so we move on with the slow process of rebuilding

It's like a starving man turning his nose up at a hamburger.

His over inflated ego and holier than thou attitude would have a big bearing on morale. He is "that guy"..

Is it? Show me some proof.

Get it yourself, I just state my opinion I'm under no obligation to investigate stuff for you

Get it yourself, I just state my opinion I'm under no obligation to investigate stuff for you

Lovely. So your attack on his character is nothing but an opinion that is not based on any fact at all. Great work.

Harry O, offer Beams money he can't refuse, we should have plenty of it.

Yeah it's an opinion. Someone's likeability level is subjective. I think he's a [censored], you might think he is very insightful and a god against men. Each to their own, I don't have to provide you with proof as to why I think he's a [censored], and vice versa for you. Gt over it

Yeah it's an opinion. Someone's likeability level is subjective. I think he's a [censored], you might think he is very insightful and a god against men. Each to their own, I don't have to provide you with proof as to why I think he's a [censored], and vice versa for you. Gt over it

Don't care if you like him or not, it's your silly comment that he will be a major problem in the locker room that I was arguing, which you admitted was based on nothing but your precious opinion.

Those saying that none of our defenders can kick so he'll fit in or be an upgrade on what we already have, is that really what you will settle for?

I'd like to think we're all sick of limited players.

I watch every Collingwood game, usually with my best mate who is a Pies supporter, and I see the Lumumba frustration every week. This year particularly, he gets the ball, but what comes next is highly predictable. We all grew tired of Moloney's get ball boot ball style, this is no different, apart from the dash at the start.

This isn't like adding Cross and Vince, we had no midfield, they are pure midfield accumulators and were much needed.

We need half backs that can run, carry and most importantly hit a target consistently. Someone that sets up play off half back, not someone that simply offers relief for 25 seconds.

I saw the excitement in Paul Roos when discussing H on 360 so I'm resigned to the fact that its likely he's on his way here. I'm just putting it out there that I strongly believe this is not what our back line needs, and hopefully we do get what we need somewhere else, and Lumumba plays on the wing and bombs at goal from 50.

In Roos I trust, I 'spose.

Those saying that none of our defenders can kick so he'll fit in or be an upgrade on what we already have, is that really what you will settle for?

I'd like to think we're all sick of limited players.

I watch every Collingwood game, usually with my best mate who is a Pies supporter, and I see the Lumumba frustration every week. This year particularly, he gets the ball, but what comes next is highly predictable. We all grew tired of Moloney's get ball boot ball style, this is no different, apart from the dash at the start.

This isn't like adding Cross and Vince, we had no midfield, they are pure midfield accumulators and were much needed.

We need half backs that can run, carry and most importantly hit a target consistently. Someone that sets up play off half back, not someone that simply offers relief for 25 seconds.

I saw the excitement in Paul Roos when discussing H on 360 so I'm resigned to the fact that its likely he's on his way here. I'm just putting it out there that I strongly believe this is not what our back line needs, and hopefully we do get what we need somewhere else, and Lumumba plays on the wing and bombs at goal from 50.

In Roos I trust, I 'spose.

That's fine, and in some ways I don't disagree.... but who are these players that our backline needs? Where are we going to get them from? I can't see someone like Malceski coming to us at this stage in his career and with the interest he will receive, and outside of that.... who is it? Lumumba, even with any shortcomings, is an instant upgrade for a few years and if we get him cheaply then he WILL make us a better side. At this point we can't really say no to that if the right deal for him is there.

Get it yourself, I just state my opinion I'm under no obligation to investigate stuff for you

Pfft what a [censored] weak excuse then. If your going to attack someone's personality and character then learn to back it up with proven facts.

If not then, pipe down.