Roos sleepless over loss

[Slartibartfast 15,786]

There is nothing wrong with the game plan.

It's this sort of dogmatic refusal to review all facets of the football department that will hurt us. And to be honest I don't know how you can say that because I don't think many outside the club know what the full game plan is.

It appears to me we play the most defensive style in the AFL. In recent times Richmond, Carlton, WC and Adelaide have improved significantly coinciding with a change in their game plan - that is to move the ball quickly forward and to play on where they can. We don't do this. Interestingly when we beat Essendon we did do this in the last minute when the imperative was there.

We've kicked less than 40 points six times so far this season. That's mindbogglng. If you think this is purely the players I think you're kidding yourself. I recognize we needed to address the way we leaked scores but there are two sides to footy and we are ignoring one. I don't think we can do that and succeed.

We need to develop a methodology that kicks more goals.

[Jaded No More 58,024]

I think losing Clark and Hogan unexpectedly obviously seriously impacted our ability to score this year.

Interestingly our inside 50 differentials aren't anywhere near as bad as last year, so it tells me we are "attacking" and trying to move the ball forward, but our delivery inside 50 is deplorable, and we have a makeshift forwardline with one real forward who is badly out of form.

We would have won 2-3 more games this year if we had Clark, maybe more.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't question the game plan, and it is so frustrating going to games where we struggle to score more than 4 goals, it's just not acceptable. However I doubt this is what Roos wants to achieve, he just has to try to work on things we can impact right now with the standard of our list. You can play defensive footy even with a list that lacks serious talent, and try to stay in the game and stem the bleeding. Attacking requires a lot more skills than we have at our disposal currently, so hard to expect much.

[jnrmac 18,980]

We just don't run anywhere hard enough for an AFL team.

Fix that and we fix about 60-70% of the problems

Its like tackling - its a mind game. You can do the lilly livered wet cabbage slaps like Watts or you can do the pile driving smash their heads back into the turf like Riley. Its in the mind.

[old dee 22,875]

I think a little panic has set in at the MFC

I got an email today thanking me for being a member.

Nothing else just Thank you!

Perhaps they are reading my mind and know I am close to the end/

Hmmm

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,193]

It's this sort of dogmatic refusal to review all facets of the football department that will hurt us. And to be honest I don't know how you can say that because I don't think many outside the club know what the full game plan is.

It appears to me we play the most defensive style in the AFL. In recent times Richmond, Carlton, WC and Adelaide have improved significantly coinciding with a change in their game plan - that is to move the ball quickly forward and to play on where they can. We don't do this. Interestingly when we beat Essendon we did do this in the last minute when the imperative was there.

We've kicked less than 40 points six times so far this season. That's mindbogglng. If you think this is purely the players I think you're kidding yourself. I recognize we needed to address the way we leaked scores but there are two sides to footy and we are ignoring one. I don't think we can do that and succeed.

We need to develop a methodology that kicks more goals.

I love how my disagreement with your view is seen as a refusal to review.

On one hand you are saying its the game plan. On the other hand you're saying you don't think anyone outside the club could know the game plan. Then you're stating 4 sides have changed their game plan? Then you pull one minute of play which was probably the most perfect play of any side this year and decide that is the one time we have tried to attack? We have tried it plenty we are just not capable of executing anything close to that skills.

We have won the contested ball count on many occasions because that is about intent. We have kept most teams to low scores because defensively that is about intent. We cannot attack because that requires greater thought, decision making and execution. It also requires a decent bailout option if you can't do the other elements to their best all the time.

Richmond, West Coast, Carlton and Adelaide have not changed their game style they are just executing better what they were trying to do earlier. As you execute better confidence grows, as it grows so does trust with team mates and you back your instinct in where you run and when you execute. Its a vicious cycle that goes both ways. In the case of Carlton and Adelaide it has not surprisingly coincided with the improved performance of Walker and Waite.

To play any style of game particularly an attacking one you need players who have the skills to carry it out and then confidence and trust in your team mates to run hard and execute first options. These are our issues and they will impact the current game style and a more attacking game style even more so.

[daisycutter 28,564]

I think a little panic has set in at the MFC

I got an email today thanking me for being a member.

Nothing else just Thank you!

Perhaps they are reading my mind and know I am close to the end/

Hmmm

did they offer you free counselling od?

[Biffen 12,331]

did they offer you free counselling od?

Just blue pills.

The wife gets red ones.

It's standard for our "gold" members.

[daisycutter 28,564]

Just blue pills.

The wife gets red ones.

It's standard for our "gold" members.

are those the ones dee-luded has been offering

[Slartibartfast 15,786]

I love how my disagreement with your view is seen as a refusal to review.

Well you dismissed my contention that we should review the game plan with "the game plan is fine". I took that to mean there was no need to review it because "it's fine".

Also I said not many outside the club understood the "full" game plan. Clearly from the outside we can see aspects of GP's but it's hard to know the details including set up at stoppages and specific player roles in given situations.

Clearly you and I differ. You seem to contend it's purely the players. I don't think it's that simple. Game plans and strategy change continually. We should make sure ours is effective. I'd suggest our list is not so bad as to score an average of less than 10 points a quarter for a full game 6 times in 20 games. Neeld got better offensive results.

You disagree with me. That's fine but don't close your mind to the fact you may be wrong. I not saying the game plan is definately wrong. I just want it reviewed with the same honesty that Roos assesses the players. I can't see the problem with that.

[old dee 22,875]

did they offer you free counselling od?

No dc I think they are saving that for next Monday after the WCE game

[bing181 8,168]

To be scoring less than 10 goals a game is a disastrous outcome.

Not when it's the opposition.

[monoccular 16,079]

I think a little panic has set in at the MFC

I got an email today thanking me for being a member.

Nothing else just Thank you!

Perhaps they are reading my mind and know I am close to the end/

Hmmm

interesting, that. I haven't received one. Maybe, as in the AFL, some are regarded as more valuable than others :-(

[old dee 22,875]

interesting, that. I haven't received one. Maybe, as in the AFL, some are regarded as more valuable than others :-(

Quite a strange email I thought mono

Nothing special about me I am just an ordinary member

Edited August 20, 2014 by old dee