Totally agree that Watts appears to hate the contest, but it would be a mistake to trade him. It will reach an inflection point one day when Watts suddenly realises that at least half of the people around him are younger and smaller, and all of a sudden he starts enjoying the contact more. It can be quite an eyeopener when you suddenly spot a kid running on to the field for the opposition who once looked up to you as a senior in school when he was just a yr 7 pup.

It has disappointingly taken him ages to develop, but he will and I would hate to see that happen at another club.

M Jones is a trier, but limited. Bail is similar. Terlich is Terlich. From the team on Saturday, I would be uneasy if I was those three. It's fair game for the bulk plying at Casey.

Totally agree that Watts appears to hate the contest, but it would be a mistake to trade him. It will reach an inflection point one day when Watts suddenly realises that at least half of the people around him are younger and smaller, and all of a sudden he starts enjoying the contact more. It can be quite an eyeopener when you suddenly spot a kid running on to the field for the opposition who once looked up to you as a senior in school when he was just a yr 7 pup.

It has disappointingly taken him ages to develop, but he will and I would hate to see that happen at another club.

M Jones is a trier, but limited. Bail is similar. Terlich is Terlich. From the team on Saturday, I would be uneasy if I was those three. It's fair game for the bulk plying at Casey.

WTE...there may NEVER come that day.

I think this trait is something you either have....or don't and he doesn't

WTE...there may NEVER come that day.

I think this trait is something you either have....or don't and he doesn't

Disagree. It's a mindset thing, t and being bigger than everyone else has a habit of changing that.

Besides, while he doesn't run in hard at the contest there are a thousand other players from a range of other clubs who are similar - effect a tackle, but don't dominate it (don't tell me Watts doesn't tackle at all, he clearly does). Most of those players don't hold a candle to the skills that Watts possesses.

Disagree. It's a mindset thing, t and being bigger than everyone else has a habit of changing that.

Besides, while he doesn't run in hard at the contest there are a thousand other players from a range of other clubs who are similar - effect a tackle, but don't dominate it (don't tell me Watts doesn't tackle at all, he clearly does). Most of those players don't hold a candle to the skills that Watts possesses.

If you don't get the ball the rest amounts to zero

Gee it'd be interesting to know what Roos really thinks of each individual player's performance this year. I guess we'll find out when the trades, delistings start!

If you don't get the ball the rest amounts to zero

His role isn't to get in the middle and find his own ball. Roos post-match press conference is telling. He likes Watts, he and the coaching staff obviously know something about what he is trying to do that Demonlanders don't.

FYI if anyone is interested in contract status there is a constantly updated list at http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/player-contracts-thread.767361/

Current status:

Contracted to End of 2014

Rohan Bail

Sam Blease

Shannon Byrnes

James Frawley

Alexis Georgiou (Assumed, as a 2013 rookie)

James Harmes (Assumed, as a 2013 rookie)

Neville Jetta (Assumed, as a 2013 rookie)

Max King (Assumed, as a 2013 rookie)

James Strauss

Luke Tapscott

Dean Terlich (Assumed, as a 2012 draftee)

Contracted to End of 2015

Daniel Cross

Michael Evans

Jack Fitzpatrick

Colin Garland

Max Gawn

Jeremy Howe

Jayden Hunt (Assumed, as a 2013 draftee)

Mark Jamar

Nathan Jones

Jay Kennedy-Harris (Assumed, as a 2013 draftee)

Jordie McKenzie

Cameron Pedersen

Christian Salem (Assumed, as a 2013 draftee)

Jimmy Toumpas

Jack Trengove

Jack Viney

Contracted to End of 2016

Dom Barry

Chris Dawes

Jack Grimes

Matt Jones

Dean Kent

Tom McDonald

Jake Spencer

Bernie Vince (Performance Optioned to 2017)

Jack Watts

Contracted to End of 2017

Lynden Dunn

Jesse Hogan

TBC

Mitch Clisby (upgraded rookie)

Viv Michie

Daniel Nicholson

Aidan Riley

Dom Tyson

Maia Westrupp (International Scholarship)

This hurts my feelings, supermercado.

I have a thread on the board right now and mine is better than this one. Nicholson is OOC this year. Tyson got a three year contract.

Sigh...

His role isn't to get in the middle and find his own ball. Roos post-match press conference is telling. He likes Watts, he and the coaching staff obviously know something about what he is trying to do that Demonlanders don't.

Win games?

If you've decided how many players you want to turnover, then I think it's better to have a discussion about who to delist or trade after a win rather than a loss. Then you eliminate a lot of the emotion but know that you still have to find x number of players to move on. It makes the seemingly easier decisions harder which is the rigour one should have with such a process.

If you've decided how many players you want to turnover, then I think it's better to have a discussion about who to delist or trade after a win rather than a loss. Then you eliminate a lot of the emotion but know that you still have to find x number of players to move on. It makes the seemingly easier decisions harder which is the rigour one should have with such a process.

I understand your premise but that could be 2015.

We need to make changes before then .

We are all painfully aware of the teams good players the rest have proven their inabilities over a period of years under different coaches.

I understand your premise but that could be 2015.

We need to make changes before then .

We are all painfully aware of the teams good players the rest have proven their inabilities over a period of years under different coaches.

Good point. On my theory, the football department would have had very few chances to discuss list management in the last few years.

Good point. On my theory, the football department would have had very few chances to discuss list management in the last few years.

Thats right,and the bloke now in charge is a stickler for following rules to win games.

He will delist /trade blokes who cant achieve that.

He will also take into account the players who are still learning this new game plan and will be better prepared for it next year after starting to mentally fatigued now ,and having less onboard team mates.

He also will only recruit players who can achieve the standard he wants.

Win Win for the club.

I understand your premise but that could be 2015.

We need to make changes before then .

We are all painfully aware of the teams good players the rest have proven their inabilities over a period of years under different coaches.

Yes, but a few weeks ago Bail was working his way back to being a productive player - now he is 'part of the problem.'

I am sorry to say this - but this list will not be fixed this October. It will take 3 years. Bail being delisted for Pick 105 is not 'making the list better' it is in fact - doing the opposite. I am using Bail as an example here but the notion 'anyone would be better than...' is the stupidest reason to get rid of someone.

At the end of 2007 and in the next couple of years we got rid of pros and replaced them with kids because 'that's how you rebuild' - well we now know that is BS. You make the list better by bringing in talent and making sure you space out the deletion of those that won't make it strategically so that you can maximise the amount of high end talent you bring in over these 3 years.

The question you should then ask is what would you take for Watts? Would you take a pick from 10-20? Would anyone offer that?

I would take it at this point.

I do a trade of Watts for Gaff, or something alike.

would've loved Yarran last year, in a deal! is it too late.

Suggest Evans, Fitz, McKenzie are very, very lucky.

suggest to send Evans home-west, on an easy cheap trade.

Rohan Bail IMO would perform well on the big grounds... in Perth, & also the SCG. more space.

maybe we could arrange things, please Mr pj Postman

Yes, but a few weeks ago Bail was working his way back to being a productive player - now he is 'part of the problem.'

I am sorry to say this - but this list will not be fixed this October. It will take 3 years. Bail being delisted for Pick 105 is not 'making the list better' it is in fact - doing the opposite. I am using Bail as an example here but the notion 'anyone would be better than...' is the stupidest reason to get rid of someone.

At the end of 2007 and in the next couple of years we got rid of pros and replaced them with kids because 'that's how you rebuild' - well we now know that is BS. You make the list better by bringing in talent and making sure you space out the deletion of those that won't make it strategically so that you can maximise the amount of high end talent you bring in over these 3 years.

Don't think I was saying much different to that rpfc if you remember we were agreeing on dicussions on who was going to carry the load while the kids developed back then.

My comment above was if we wait for the next win to make decisions it may be in 2015.

Yes, but a few weeks ago Bail was working his way back to being a productive player - now he is 'part of the problem.'

I am sorry to say this - but this list will not be fixed this October. It will take 3 years. Bail being delisted for Pick 105 is not 'making the list better' it is in fact - doing the opposite. I am using Bail as an example here but the notion 'anyone would be better than...' is the stupidest reason to get rid of someone.

At the end of 2007 and in the next couple of years we got rid of pros and replaced them with kids because 'that's how you rebuild' - well we now know that is BS. You make the list better by bringing in talent and making sure you space out the deletion of those that won't make it strategically so that you can maximise the amount of high end talent you bring in over these 3 years.

he's (Bail) got, as good as he's gunna get. time gentlemen. lets move on, him & us.

find him a new home, & get what we can?

Edited July 14, 201411 yr by dee-luded

If you don't get the ball the rest amounts to zero

Agree with this, but there are plenty that get less ball and use it less well when they get it.

Really????

He kept Bartel to 15 touches and 1 goal 1. He only had 8 touches himself and is still working back from a fair ot of time off but I would have thought that was a win for him on the day. I recon out defence stood up well yesterday. It was the same old story of the midfield getting spanked starving our forwards of quality ball and our defence on a hiding to nothing.

I dont think anyone in our defence will volunatrily be let go. They have done a good job all year as well as being plucked clean to fill vacancies in the forward line. The vast majority will go from the midfield. The backroom will be trawling the comp looking for developed class to fill mifdfield gaps as a priority. Delisted will be Blease, Strauss, Nicho and Tappy. There will be a whole bunch on the trade table as well but that could be anyone.

You are probably right with Bartel being a pass but I was thinking if you look at Garland's past 5 weeks he has been well below par.

Gee it'd be interesting to know what Roos really thinks of each individual player's performance this year. I guess we'll find out when the trades, delistings start!

There are a hundred variables. Its about what you can get. he may not like a player but cant get anything for him. If he's contracted he stays.

Agree with this, but there are plenty that get less ball and use it less well when they get it.

God a hate this when we get into a discussion on the relative poor ability of players RD

It is like a discussion on who will die first.

There are a hundred variables. Its about what you can get. he may not like a player but cant get anything for him. If he's contracted he stays.

That covers it and you have to get someone better not much sense replacing one contracted dill with another dill.

Edited July 14, 201411 yr by old dee

Gee it'd be interesting to know what Roos really thinks of each individual player's performance this year. I guess we'll find out when the trades, delistings start!

There are a hundred variables. Its about what you can get. he may not like a player but cant get anything for him. If he's contracted he stays.

Disagree. It's a mindset thing, t and being bigger than everyone else has a habit of changing that.

Besides, while he doesn't run in hard at the contest there are a thousand other players from a range of other clubs who are similar - effect a tackle, but don't dominate it (don't tell me Watts doesn't tackle at all, he clearly does). Most of those players don't hold a candle to the skills that Watts possesses.

I disagree with you! It certainly can be a mindset but Watts has never shown it. Look that can be OK with some players. Steven Stretch comes to mind. One of the first picked every week yet not physical.

Interestingly i have seen plenty of times when our players won't kick it to Watts who has run 30m on a lead. Its as thought they are saying 'stuff you I'm not giving you an easy ball'. there is somethig wrong and I suspect the club knows what it is.

For me I'd trade him.

So we might be stuck with a lot of them