What i couldnt understand is that pederson seemed to be the main target up forwrad , why him?

Why not Howe out of the square?

They hardly kick it to Howe all night....how on earth could you prefer Pederson as our main forward ahead of Jezza.

Funnily enough, I reckon we can knock of the original steroid users next week.

No chance

Can I add 'only joking' or too late?

Who's with me!!!

Funnily enough, I reckon we can knock of the original steroid users next week.

One of the funniest things ive heard on this forum.....West Coast will smash us by 100 plus.

ok, who are we playing next....[censored]...........

Blease, Evans and Viney have to be considered for next week. We lacked pace at a lot of times during the match, especially spreading from stoppages. Evans in particular is a seriuosly good kick n the run.

What do we do about Pederson and Tommy Mac?

Can I add 'only joking' or too late?

too late lol

God plz put one of our key forwards on the ground!! Just 1!!!!

West Coast LW and I've predicted a smashing.

Nathan Jones is still a superstar.

Some things, like taxes and Melbourne losing, never change.

To those bitching about Howe, he's not - and never will be - a KPF. He's a great marking flanker, and being stuck up there with their first choice defender was never going to work in his favour, especially as it's just too easy for their defence to just manoeuvre him out of position - unless the ball comes in quickly.

Howe needs to be 3rd or 4th in the pecking order in the forward line, floating into the midfield, with some space, and with some big contested mark targets to work with/off/around..

....and the ball on a platter.

Tonight was another demonstration of the challenge with Howe. Aside from the odd MOTY effort, he just does not get enough of the ball. Tough night tonight but it's his perennial issue.

How bad was JKH tonight....lifeless and overawed.

We showed we could possess the footy and were a bit more capable and organised in the back half. We were more competitive around the stoppages but we still allowed too many balls out the back to a +1 or +2 on their defensive side with the easy kick forward or 1 2 handball then a kick forward to a lead up. To me this was a mid field loss against a very depleted and lowly rated mid field. This was the most dissapointing aspect IMO as we know we don't have a forward line and were expecting as much down there performance wise.

I hope we never see Pedo having to play in any position other than HBF off the bench when alternative stocks are non existent. Hurry back Garlo. The same can be said of T MacDonald. Injury aside (ie., prior to injury) i still can't see a quality AFL footballer in any apscet of his game to this point.

Dunn was fabulous down back and Terlich was his usual desperate self but a little hap hazard with his disposal and options.

Grimes tried hard but his disposal turnovers cost as badly.

Trengove showed some good signs but nothing outsanding.

Watts showed some quality and class, creating time and space and many of our attacking opportunities and goal (or shot at goal) assists.

There was a general determination not to give in at any point which was an improvement (but no less satisfactory outcome wise) compared to last year.

Without a decent forward line that can actually kick at least 40% to 50% of shots at goal and players capable of hitting up some decent talls on a lead (if we ever find any that can stay on the park for more than a few games a season) we are toast for 2014 (and beyond if this aspect is not addressed/solved) from what i can see. If we do somehow manage to get a fit Dawes and Hogan on the park for the rest of the season from Round 4 or so then we might see a few wins against lower opposition at the G (and only at the G).

That was our 8th first up loss in a row. and the 9th time in a row we've failed to win a first round. So many records for this club for all the wrong reasons. When will it end i wonder.

Now back to Frawley. Faaaaccckkkkk.

Don't panic mate, only 21 more times you'll need to watch him and he'll be off.

Spencer, whilst maybe wining the hit outs, was behind in hit outs to advantage, other than the ruck, he is useless anywhere else. For a bloke who has a big body, he hardly uses it.

I know McDonald got injured, but prior to that, his decision making and disposal were again abhorrent. I don't give a stuff if he can run, if you can't kick and don't know what top do with it, you shouldn't be playing AFL.

Howe was woeful, didn't know what the footy looked like tonight. He is not a midfielder and he is not a KPF. His only role is as a third tall.

However, as much as we stuffed around with the ball with the handball, if we decided to kick the bloody thing a bit more and were more direct, we would've looked much better.

How bad was JKH tonight....lifeless and overawed.

I'm guessing a trip to Casey is on the cards if that continues.

One thing I liked about Roosy's address at the season opening was how clear he was that youngsters were not going to save our club. They may give him another week but I'm pretty sure that if JKH doesn't deliver then he will be playing for Casey. I don't mean that in a vindictive or malicious way either. When young players are down on form or confidence, sometimes it's in their best interests for them to find form in the reserves. Unfortunately, due to our policies of dumping senior players, the kids were the only players we had so they had to stay in the firsts whereupon they would continue to get ground into the dirt.

I didnt see that coming

At least I'm in the UK and its morning. It is sad how many of us are here on a Saturday night, lamenting our fkucup of a football team. Think we all need to find something better to do.

Toumpas and Trengove are still making their way to the change rooms.

I know McDonald got injured, but prior to that, his decision making and disposal were again abhorrent. I don't give a stuff if he can run, if you can't kick and don't know what top do with it, you shouldn't be playing AFL.

Agreed.

We are a pathetic and disgusting rabble.

Ive never been so disappointed.....my 12 year old son is shattered....

I thought you said we were going to be better this year Dad?

Youve been saying that every year for the last 6 years.....his whole football supporting life has been a misery so far.

I hate the Demons.

I thought Toumpas was pretty good.

Nat Jones was best for me and Lynden Dunn didn't do a whole lot wrong. Wattsy pretty solid also.

Not sure what Byrnes brings. I would persist with Blease over Byrnes every day of the week.

Hated the result but loved the endeavour! The head hanging which started at half time round one last season was missing which i liked.

It's a long road but we are moving forward imo, which is all I'm asking for.

How bad was JKH tonight....lifeless and overawed.

Are you kidding? Just checking, were you there? I didn't see enough of him in the quarter or two he played to make any judgement. I am open to constructive criticism of his game.