On 05/05/2014 at 23:44, stevethemanjordan said:

I'm not so sure. Frawley doesn't think his way through situations terribly well. He plays on instinct.. Whilst the kick may have not come off the way he would have liked, I still think his decision to go that far wide straight away showed his lack of footy smarts.

I agree.

I also think this is exactly how he'll make his decision on whether to stay or go.

And as I expect there to be a steady upward trend as the season goes on, I think he will.

  On 05/05/2014 at 23:44, stevethemanjordan said:

I'm not so sure. Frawley doesn't think his way through situations terribly well. He plays on instinct.. Whilst the kick may have not come off the way he would have liked, I still think his decision to go that far wide straight away showed his lack of footy smarts.

Learning to play CHF is a slow burn. It really is tough if you haven't done it before and haven't had a chance to prepare for it.

We should have groomed him but I guess we didn't see the need before Hogan went down and Dawes had his issues and Fitz hasn't come on...

He needs to meet the footy and demand the space at CHF. He has all the ability to do the job.

I'm talking about the out on the full deep into the last quarter from the backline... And his questionable football smarts and understanding.

You crazy bugger.

Didn't he kick that on his jarred toe?

[censored] we got lucky in that final minute or two, despite the [censored] ups.

I think he's gone. And now I am questioning myself why I'm not big on him staying.

Perhaps it's his football and his demeanour.

For the time being I'd rather keep watching this side perform and improve. For the weekend strengthened my pilot light that was never distinguished. So much that it took a boost in respect. As did the MFC I gather within the football industry.

I don't think Roos' style and gameplan lends itself to "star key defenders" - they work as a unit.

In time, when it is functioning as intended, he'll be able to repell attack after attack, but I don't think we'll see or require "big games" from Chip.

He might be happy with that.

We may see more value in him going, but I doubt it.

  On 06/05/2014 at 00:17, stevethemanjordan said:

I'm talking about the out on the full deep into the last quarter from the backline... And his questionable football smarts and understanding.

You crazy bugger.

He's been lost since the Carlton game.

I watched him closely against GC and he was running around making some terrible leads and hitting all the areas you don't want to go.

  On 06/05/2014 at 00:11, rpfc said:

Learning to play CHF is a slow burn. It really is tough if you haven't done it before and haven't had a chance to prepare for it.

We should have groomed him but I guess we didn't see the need before Hogan went down and Dawes had his issues and Fitz hasn't come on...

He needs to meet the footy and demand the space at CHF. He has all the ability to do the job.

I'm interested to know your thoughts on why he showed he was more than capable of playing a KPF role against Carlton, but has shown signs of incompetence since (I agree with you that he has been woeful since the Carlton game).

Hopefully you don't put it down to him playing a different role - pretty much the entire list are in the same boat and a lot have taken significant steps forward.

  On 06/05/2014 at 01:02, billy2803 said:

I'm interested to know your thoughts on why he showed he was more than capable of playing a KPF role against Carlton, but has shown signs of incompetence since (I agree with you that he has been woeful since the Carlton game).

Hopefully you don't put it down to him playing a different role - pretty much the entire list are in the same boat and a lot have taken significant steps forward.

I don't know why he has regressed. He may be injured now so it might be moot, but the reason he was effective against Carlton is that he was moving into created space and meeting the football in the air. He didn't have a great player on him which helps, but since then I have seen him ball watch his way out of good spots, lead through good space and into bad space - usually near the boundary. And the worst thing is he was trying to body out after a lead and take marks out in his hands - waist height - while turning - degree of difficulty would be much higher than just getting your jukes out and trying to take it with pressure behind you.

I don't see him push off his opponent often, even Jack Watts does this, and it is not intuitive to players who haven't played forward but should be for him. He has spent 5 years dealing with the best forwards in the game doing it to him.

I am frustrated because I know he can do so much better. I hope he can recover for Sat Night.

  On 06/05/2014 at 00:33, rpfc said:

He's been lost since the Carlton game.

I watched him closely against GC and he was running around making some terrible leads and hitting all the areas you don't want to go.

Decoy?

  On 06/05/2014 at 01:40, Machsy said:

Decoy?

I wouldn't think so.

Bloody expensive ruse.

i was very badly burned by the whole Scully saga.

I now beleive that any player who has not signed by the mid year break of the last year of their contract is gone gone gone.

I actually have no idea at all but that thinking means that if they do go I am not bitterly disappointed as I haven't invested too much emotion into it. If the player stays then its happy days for me !

  On 06/05/2014 at 02:04, rpfc said:

I wouldn't think so.

Bloody expensive ruse.

But with a toe injury hampering his performance...

Make a bit more room for Dawes by getting the hell out of the areas he needs to be in?

I don't know, I'm clutching at straws.

It's hard to point at an exact quote but it just reeks of someone who's already gone. Call it "Scully" intuition.

Club site reports Chip is a 50/50 chance for the Dogs game.

Moonboot a precaution for a toe ligament injury.

Some players are natural forwards, some are not, he will learn the trade if he stays in the forward line long enough. Back line play is all about play on, run and carry and moving the ball forward. He has to work with Dawes and understand when it's his turn and when it's not; I think he will and when he does he will be a very good player for us.

Why would he want to leave Melbourne anyway, all his mates are there and we seem to be on the improve.

  On 06/05/2014 at 04:10, Pipefitter said:

It's hard to point at an exact quote but it just reeks of someone who's already gone. Call it "Scully" intuition.

I'd prefer we keep him, but unlike the Scully melodrama I'm quite comfortable we could easily be better off with him leaving (not knowing that would definitely be the case with Scully).

There's no fear or trepidation in this case.

  On 06/05/2014 at 01:02, billy2803 said:

I'm interested to know your thoughts on why he showed he was more than capable of playing a KPF role against Carlton, but has shown signs of incompetence since (I agree with you that he has been woeful since the Carlton game).

Hopefully you don't put it down to him playing a different role - pretty much the entire list are in the same boat and a lot have taken significant steps forward.

I reckon it might be a bit of a case of "beginner's luck", also called "a change is as good as a holiday". Sometimes, you try something new and it comes to you really quickly and easily. You persist and decide to get better, learn more about it, try more strategies.... but now you're thinking too much about it and not just doing your natural thing - which is what worked to start with.

I reckon Chip is probably trying to think like a forward now, and it's not something he's done a lot of, so it doesn't come naturally. For the first couple of games, he probably just felt free and under no pressure, because everybody knew he was out of position. Now they've seen he can do it, he feels more pressure to do it regularly.

And, for what it's worth, I'd imagine he'll be taking Brian Lake's role next year. Hopefully our compensation is good.

Reckon Chip got closer to making his decision after tonight. He gave his all but it's clear after losing to such mediocrity that he won't play one final in his career if he's wearing red and blue.

Didn't everyone on here say Watts was gone last season?

Adios.

I get the feeling Chip may be gone.
Don't know why. Just a hunch.

Sayonara.

Can't hold simple chest marks and uncontested overhead marks.

Me too.

Reckon he's fin.

If Jesse Hogan comes in for the 2nd half of the year, Chip can go back into familiar territory.

Shame to lose him....big defenders don't grow on trees.

But, we move on...

In marking situations he does everything bar try and mark the ball.

He and Howe should have been swapped in the last quarter.