Thanks mate, that's excellent.

Really appreciate the report, glad to hear Petracca had a strong game, he and Smith are the points of difference in this draft.

Good report 'Pennant', thanks.

Somewhat belated I know, but there's a name on the playing list from Sunday's Under 18 Australian Under 18 Championship game that piqued my interest.

Joshua Hone.

Melbourne had a player named David Hone who was with us for only one season (circa 1969 or 70). He was a very good backman and I think might have come as a more mature age recruit. Left after only one very promising season. It's an unusual name and I thought he could be related.

I've just started to read some U-18's articles for this years draft. I haven't seen any draftees for this 2014 National Draft, live or on video.

So I went over to BF's Knightmare's 2014 P/D

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2014-phantom-draft.1060197/

... here are some I'm interested in that read well to me, from inside Knightmare's first two rounds. Does anyone have any thoughts on these guys I'm listing?

#4 – Jarrod Pickett (WA – Utility/Mid).... Height: 179cm, Weight: 76kg, DOB: 18/08/1996.... Recruited from: South Fremantle
Style: Lewis Jetta (less explosive)
Player comparison: Danyle Pearce

#5 – Hugh Goddard (VIC - KPP).... Height: 196cm, Weight: 93kg, DOB: 24/08/1996.... Recruited from: Geelong Falcons
Style:
Player comparison: Sam Day

#7 – Liam Duggan (VIC – Def/Mid).... Height: 183cm, Weight: 76kg, DOB: 11/12/1996.... Recruited from: Western Jets

#9 – Jake Lever (VIC – Def/KPD).... Height: 192cm, Weight: 84kg, DOB: 05/03/1996.... Recruited from: Calder Cannons
Style: Nick Maxwell (more talented – stronger in the contest and better kicking version)
Player comparison: Lachie Plowman

#10 – Tom Lamb (VIC - Fwd/Mid).... Height: 192cm, Weight: 83kg, DOB: 19/10/1996.... Recruited from: Dandenong Stingrays
Style: Jared Brennan

#13 – Brayden Maynard (VIC – Util).... Height: 186cm, Weight: 88kg, DOB: 20/09/1996.... Recruited from: Sandringham Dragons
Style: Ryan O’Keefe/Marley Williams

#17 – Isaac Heeney (Sydney Academy- NSW/ACT - Mid/Def).... Height: 186cm, Weight: 82kg, DOB: 05/05/1996....Recruited from: Cardiff
Style: David Swallow

#20 - Mac Bower (SA – Fwd/Def).... Height: 190cm, Weight: 79kg, DOB: 27/01/1996.... Recruited from: Norwood
Style: Sam Mayes/Beau Waters

#22 - Dylan Winton (WA – Mid/Def).... Height: 190cm, Weight: 85kg, DOB: 27/07/1996.... Recruited from: Peel Thunder
Style: David Mundy

#23 Melbourne - Dean Gore (SA – Mid/Def).... Height: 183cm, Weight: 85kg .... Recruited from: Sturt
Style:
Player comparison: George Horlin-Smith

#27 Carlton - Tyler Keitel (WA – KPF/KPD).... Height: 191cm, Weight: 80kg, DOB: 07/02/1996.... Recruited from: East Perth
Style: Jarryd Roughead

#29 Essendon - Christian Petracca (VIC - Fwd).... Height: 186cm, Weight: 92kg, DOB: 04/01/1996.... Recruited from: Eastern Ranges
Style: Stewart Crameri

thanks in advance.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2014-phantom-draft.1060197/

Edited June 4, 201410 yr by dee-luded

Petracca is an absolute steal if he goes at 29,.tall solid mid, long and accurate kick, very strong overhead Mark and a very impressive tackler, would not be surprised if he is one of the better players out of this draft

  On 04/06/2014 at 05:07, dee-luded said:

#13 Brayden Maynard (VIC Util).... Height: 186cm, Weight: 88kg, DOB: 20/09/1996.... Recruited from: Sandringham Dragons

Style: Ryan OKeefe/Marley Williams

That's pretty funny...

  On 04/06/2014 at 05:24, rjay said:

That's pretty funny...

you mean marley williams?

Edited June 4, 201410 yr by dee-luded

Would love Dylan Winton with 2nd round pick!

  On 04/06/2014 at 05:55, Arrow said:

Would love Dylan Winton with 2nd round pick!

The way he is going, i'm thinking we may have to give up our 2nd rounder for Billy Stretch.

Winton and another wa mid not sure of his name had 16.clearances between them in a 80 point loss

  On 04/06/2014 at 05:35, dee-luded said:

you mean marley williams?

They're nothing alike.

It's almost as confusing as the Beau Waters/ Sam Mayes comparison.

Might as well say the kid is a combination of Matthew Scarlett and Darren Kowal.

  On 04/06/2014 at 06:06, Mike Nolan said:

Winton and another wa mid not sure of his name had 16.clearances between them in a 80 point loss

I was at the game on Saturday and Jared Hardisty and Waterman were the most impressive of their mids, on Saturday's game I would be putting a line through taking Jarred Pickett in the first round, flashy with very low workrate

  On 04/06/2014 at 05:10, Mike Nolan said:

Petracca is an absolute steal if he goes at 29,.tall solid mid, long and accurate kick, very strong overhead Mark and a very impressive tackler, would not be surprised if he is one of the better players out of this draft

The things that seems to have Petracca lower in a lot projections than what he really should be are his lack of height for a key position player (which is where he played last season, at an extremely high level), underdeveloped engine (for his new big-bodied midfield role) and questions of pace. Based on what I’ve seen from him over the last couple of years, I think he’ll dispel those doubts over the course of the season.

On sheer ability Petracca is among the first few in the draft, and I think his competitiveness and ability to win one on one contests will probably see him selected quite early come November. He has good skills for a contested ball winner, and I can see him developing into a Tom Rockliff type down the line.

  On 04/06/2014 at 06:13, Pennant St Dee said:

I was at the game on Saturday and Jared Hardisty and Waterman were the most impressive of their mids, on Saturday's game I would be putting a line through taking Jarred Pickett in the first round, flashy with very low workrate

Pennant, i was told by a mate who essentially identifies talent for North Melbourne that the two lacked athletic ability as mids but made up for it in footy smarts, he felt both were very much inside players and limited to that, what are your thoughts?

obviously the ability to win the ball and effect clearances is one thing, but for 2 players alone to win 16 clearances and the team to only score 20 points makes me wonder about

a. the quality of the delivery forward

b. the quality of the forwards

c. the quality of the metro defence

what was your feeling?

  On 04/06/2014 at 06:29, ChaserJ said:

The things that seems to have Petracca lower in a lot projections than what he really should be are his lack of height for a key position player (which is where he played last season, at an extremely high level), underdeveloped engine (for his new big-bodied midfield role) and questions of pace. Based on what I’ve seen from him over the last couple of years, I think he’ll dispel those doubts over the course of the season.

On sheer ability Petracca is among the first few in the draft, and I think his competitiveness and ability to win one on one contests will probably see him selected quite early come November. He has good skills for a contested ball winner, and I can see him developing into a Tom Rockliff type down the line.

I agree, certainly believe he has the ability to either develop the tank of a midfielder or play a high half forward role, i see him as one of the players in the draft with superstar potential but i don't expect him to make an immediate impact, very much a jake Stringer type project player.

  On 04/06/2014 at 05:24, rjay said:

That's pretty funny...

  On 04/06/2014 at 05:35, dee-luded said:

you mean marley williams?

  On 04/06/2014 at 06:10, Machsy said:

They're nothing alike.

It's almost as confusing as the Beau Waters/ Sam Mayes comparison.

Might as well say the kid is a combination of Matthew Scarlett and Darren Kowal.

That's the one 'Machsy', nail on head. boomer Harvey and Sandilands.

  On 04/06/2014 at 06:10, Machsy said:

They're nothing alike.

It's almost as confusing as the Beau Waters/ Sam Mayes comparison.

Might as well say the kid is a combination of Matthew Scarlett and Darren Kowal.

That's why I'm asking machsy. I don't watch other matches any more, nor read about other AFL clubs.

Those comments posted above, are 'Knightmares' comments. They're not mine. I just 'copied & pasted' them into this thread, to ask peoples opinions and to get some idea about those kids who sound interesting to me.

Nothing more, and nothing less.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2014-phantom-draft.1060197/

  On 04/06/2014 at 08:22, dee-luded said:

That's why I'm asking machsy. I don't watch other matches any more, nor read about other AFL clubs.

Those comments posted above, are 'Knightmares' comments. They're not mine. I just 'copied & pasted' them into this thread, to ask peoples opinions and to get some idea about those kids who sound interesting to me.

Nothing more, and nothing less.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2014-phantom-draft.1060197/

I have to ask why are you on a footy forum talking about footy and interested in the draft yet your only watch Melbourne games. Considering how poor we've been on late that's an impressive level of dedication!

But yes. Beau Waters is a hard as nails tough back pocket/flanker, Sam Mayes is a smooth moving, skillful utility who can play half forward, half back, wing and probably eventually midfield. So if a player is compared to both of them then that's impossible to know what he does well or not.

The two I've read and seen on that list the most are Hugh Goddard and Jake Lever. Goddard is your prototypical tall developing prospect. He's got all the physical and footballing tools the question is just whether he really leaps out and dominates games. But he has skills and athleticism and you could put him half back or half forward. He probably reminds me of Lachie Henderson in that he'll end up a good player at a minimum. I'd say we'd be super keen if Frawley left and he was around and we had pick 3-6. Lever you'd like to see grow just a bit to 195cm so he's the right size but he's a natural key defender. Just one of those kids who's way ahead of the others his age at defending. But he's done a knee and missed this year. But he's like Col Garland as just a quality half back who will stop goals and get the ball going the other way. Whether you'd use a top pick on a guy coming off a knee who might be undersized and just a half back is another question.

  On 04/06/2014 at 08:22, dee-luded said:

That's why I'm asking machsy. I don't watch other matches any more, nor read about other AFL clubs.

Those comments posted above, are 'Knightmares' comments. They're not mine. I just 'copied & pasted' them into this thread, to ask peoples opinions and to get some idea about those kids who sound interesting to me.

Nothing more, and nothing less.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2014-phantom-draft.1060197/

We know they're 'Knightmares' comments, just funny that's all. Maybe he was taking the p...out of Kevin Sheehan with these and that one in particular. I always find the comparisons a bit off the mark.

It will be interesting to see how these guys stack up as the year goes on. I really liked the look of McCartin last year and it appears he's now being seen as a potential no.1. A lot of water to go under the bridge yet and who knows what picks we will have, maybe not as high as we first thought and that's a good thing.

Hey rjay, any thoughts on Petracca?

  On 04/06/2014 at 08:51, Mike Nolan said:

Hey rjay, any thoughts on Petracca?

Haven't had a good look at him yet, but by the sound of what others have written it looks like he might be moving up the order quickly especially if he can show he can play as a mid with his size.

  On 04/06/2014 at 08:49, rjay said:

We know they're 'Knightmares' comments, just funny that's all. Maybe he was taking the p...out of Kevin Sheehan with these and that one in particular. I always find the comparisons a bit off the mark.

It will be interesting to see how these guys stack up as the year goes on. I really liked the look of McCartin last year and it appears he's now being seen as a potential no.1. A lot of water to go under the bridge yet and who knows what picks we will have, maybe not as high as we first thought and that's a good thing.

I don't take much notice of the comparisons generally. And I haven't kept up with young players over the last 4 - 5 years really. other than videos draft time. So I've got no idea who marley williams was, except for remebering his name for some reason. now I looked him up I remember he was up on assault & was with the Pies. even more reason I wouldn't read about him.

  On 04/06/2014 at 08:47, Georgiou R.R. Martin said:

I have to ask why are you on a footy forum talking about footy and interested in the draft yet your only watch Melbourne games. Considering how poor we've been on late that's an impressive level of dedication!

But yes. Beau Waters is a hard as nails tough back pocket/flanker, Sam Mayes is a smooth moving, skillful utility who can play half forward, half back, wing and probably eventually midfield. So if a player is compared to both of them then that's impossible to know what he does well or not.

The two I've read and seen on that list the most are Hugh Goddard and Jake Lever. Goddard is your prototypical tall developing prospect. He's got all the physical and footballing tools the question is just whether he really leaps out and dominates games. But he has skills and athleticism and you could put him half back or half forward. He probably reminds me of Lachie Henderson in that he'll end up a good player at a minimum. I'd say we'd be super keen if Frawley left and he was around and we had pick 3-6. Lever you'd like to see grow just a bit to 195cm so he's the right size but he's a natural key defender. Just one of those kids who's way ahead of the others his age at defending. But he's done a knee and missed this year. But he's like Col Garland as just a quality half back who will stop goals and get the ball going the other way. Whether you'd use a top pick on a guy coming off a knee who might be undersized and just a half back is another question.

I used to live Footy, read all the papers sports pages inside out, went to games weekly & watched nearly all on TV for 20 odd years. Recording & studying them & listening to all the experts like Matthews, McClure, Barass, Lyon, Roos, etc, & players etc.

...after 2007 I started going to U-18 games watching the TAC cup matches & the NAB AFL U18 Champs games for a few years, until I thought we should be on our way.

Then the flood, zones were happening, Sean & Jimma going, $cully, & general congested play, & our rebuild coming unstuck, I generally had started to lose interest in the game, as it is these days.

The only thing left for me was to see that we become a power Once again.

I refused to watch other games, because of the inequity of the AFL game, the money, the scheduling, the TV games not given to us, etc. Foxtel, I refuse to be a part of undermining free to Air TV.

so all in all, I think you can see I'm very much an AFL Mushroom nowadays. getting info now from this Internet forum, & by reading Melbourne articles online, & from the Sports media.

I won't give the power clubs my 'click on', on the internet.

thats where I'm up to, nowadays.

Edited June 4, 201410 yr by dee-luded

Just as a side, how does Foxtel undermine free to air TV?

Without the advent of Foxtel the free to air channels would treat viewers with a higher level of contempt than they do currently.

Pay TV has forced free to air into actually treating viewers like they mean something.

Foxtel's coverage of football leaves Channel 7 for dead and makes you realize what televised footy can be when done properly.

  On 21/05/2014 at 05:14, dee-luded said:

77 games

jeez... 23 more games and we'd have had him, maybe.... Bloody Magpies... We should bid for him anyway... How awesome would it be to have a Viney, Stretch, Lovett, Healy and Moore in our team.. Wow... these names take me back to the days i fell for the dees...

  On 04/06/2014 at 06:29, ChaserJ said:

The things that seems to have Petracca lower in a lot projections than what he really should be are his lack of height for a key position player (which is where he played last season, at an extremely high level), underdeveloped engine (for his new big-bodied midfield role) and questions of pace. Based on what I’ve seen from him over the last couple of years, I think he’ll dispel those doubts over the course of the season.

On sheer ability Petracca is among the first few in the draft, and I think his competitiveness and ability to win one on one contests will probably see him selected quite early come November. He has good skills for a contested ball winner, and I can see him developing into a Tom Rockliff type down the line.

I was just about to reply that he is very much in the Rockliff mould, hard worker, accumulator without breakaway speed and could play TAC level as a forward probably even get by playing a key role due to his ferocious attack on the ball and clubs could make the mistake of overlooking him as an undersized kep position prospect