Carlscum go to the 2nd Week from 9th!!

Bugger.

It can't happen

Carlscum go to the 2nd Week from 9th!!

Bugger.

It can't happen

Their supporters are going to be insufferable.

About the only positive I can think of from Richmond losing is the reaction it will hopefully stir in Caro.

Their supporters are going to be insufferable.

going to be ?

THEY DIDN'T EVEN DESERVE TO BE THERE!

And McLean's ugly head in the crowd makes me furious.

God I hope Sydney destroys them next week.

Their supporters are going to be insufferable.

that God Awful song....AAArrrgh

Your argument was clearly made in reference to Wines-Toumpas, so I'm not sure what point there is going on about Cook (who, for the record, I thought was a terrible draft choice).

Yes, you're absolutely right, having a good first year may mean you end up have a great career. But at the same time, having a good first year might mean nothing about where you end up in your career. Thus, the mere fact Wines has had a better first year than Toumpas does not mean he is the better player overall, and thus does not mean we should have taken him.

I've argued the point repeatedly, and will continue to do so.

Well you're wrong, but be that as it may; because Wines has had a better first year, it doesn't mean he will not be a better player overall, either.

Can you see how stupid your statement is?

How many good years from Wines and ordinary years from Toumpas will it take to determine who is the better player.

I've said this on here many times before, just because a player has a good first year doesn't mean to say he will go backwards for the rest of his career.

I think Carlscum have this.

what was the difference between these two teams ? Coach or players ?

The tigers will do anything to get back ninth spot.

that God Awful song....AAArrrgh

I like their song wyl

Now their supporters and players will naturally assume they will be in the finals again next year and as a result they won't. Ninth is their rightful position.

How long before they start on Hardwick; not good enough to take them all he way, why didn't we go after Roos, or let's get Vossy.

At least it shows us the value of a top experienced coach.

If Malthouse can turn Bryce Gibbs into the tough, hard-at-it, stoppage player he was today, I reckon we can hope that Roos can do the same for Watts. Gibbs was magnificent today - a genuine part of a great wind for a team I hate with a deep, ingrained passion. Stinkin' Richmond have messed up my weekend.

THEY DIDN'T EVEN DESERVE TO BE THERE!

And McLean's ugly head in the crowd makes me furious.

God I hope Sydney destroys them next week.

Yes they did.

at the end of the home and away series

They finished eighth.

If Malthouse can turn Bryce Gibbs into the tough, hard-at-it, stoppage player he was today, I reckon we can hope that Roos can do the same for Watts. Gibbs was magnificent today - a genuine part of a great wind for a team I hate with a deep, ingrained passion. Stinkin' Richmond have messed up my weekend.

Pity we did not get MM two years ago!

At least it shows us the value of a top experienced coach.

It does, getting to the finals isn't the hard part, half the teams make it, winning them is the hard part.

I quite enjoy the irony of Caro spending all year bleating for Essendon to be taken out of the finals, only for their replacement to beat Richmond.

Only slightly helps deal with Carlton winning a final, though.

Well you're wrong, but be that as it may; because Wines has had a better first year, it doesn't mean he will not be a better player overall, either.

Can you see how stupid your statement is?

How many good years from Wines and ordinary years from Toumpas will it take to determine who is the better player.

I've said this on here many times before, just because a player has a good first year doesn't mean to say he will go backwards for the rest of his career.

You clearly didn't read my post. I absolutely agree with you! Yes, a player having a good first year does not mean he will go backwards.

Let me be clear - Wines may well end up a much, much better player than Toumpas.

What you don't seem to accept, though, is that the reverse is just as possible. As has been seen before (Rhys Palmer's a classic example), a stand-out first year does not automatically mean you will continue to be the best of your fellow draftees.

One good year from Wines vs one ordinary year from Toumpas, with all of the relevant factors I'm sure you'd like to pretend don't exist (Port's midfield, Port's coaches vs Neeld), does not rule in your favour.

The smell of melting plastic is wafting through my neighbourhood.

The smell of melting plastic is wafting through my neighbourhood.

Very good WJ

you win my prize for today

The smell of melting plastic is wafting through my neighbourhood.

Mircowaves destroyed by melting plastic.

Jack reiwoldt rivals that GWS player for being overpaid and over rated.

Yes they did.

at the end of the home and away series

They finished eighth.

After Essendon was demoted.

Yes they did.

at the end of the home and away series

They finished eighth.

Please, they only made finals because Essendon cheated. In their own right they didn't deserve to be there.

Carlton showed Richmond today how to finish 9th but still win a final.

After Essendon was demoted.

Semantics

Carlton finished eighth

Oh Richmond.