Your 2014 Predictions

[deanox 8,629]

Because a captain needs charisma, which Nathan Jones lacks. A captain needs to speak well. Nathan Jones does not. A captain needs to be an attractive billboard for major sponsors. Yeah, nah.

Nathan Jones is an excellent player, is a good leader (as you say, mostly by example, which is only one facet of great leadership) and seems to be a good bloke too. He still isn't captaincy material.

I'm not sure that's the reason he wasn't made captain, I think it is more likely related to his lack of leadership around the club. Yeah he may be our best player but how often do you see him directing traffic on field? Great player doesn't mean mean he is the type of person to direct others, to demand standards are met, or to encourage and lead others. From reports inside the club he had stepped up dramatically in that area in the past 6 months.

Being able to lead on field through actions is but one aspect of being captain. I all hoped Grimes and Trengove would step up on field, Grimes certainly has and Trengove has struggled.

Just because we can't see leadership in 2 hours on a weekend doesn't mean that person isn't a leader.

[old dee 22,898]

I'm not sure that's the reason he wasn't made captain, I think it is more likely related to his lack of leadership around the club. Yeah he may be our best player but how often do you see him directing traffic on field? Great player doesn't mean mean he is the type of person to direct others, to demand standards are met, or to encourage and lead others. From reports inside the club he had stepped up dramatically in that area in the past 6 months.

Being able to lead on field through actions is but one aspect of being captain. I all hoped Grimes and Trengove would step up on field, Grimes certainly has and Trengove has struggled.

Just because we can't see leadership in 2 hours on a weekend doesn't mean that person isn't a leader.

Sorry deanok IMO the game played on the weekend is 75% of the reason you are the captain.

If you cannot show leadership during a game you should not be the captain.

The rest is dancing with your sister.

The last two seasons Trengove has barely showed good enough form to justify his spot in the team most weeks

Making him and Grimes co captains was another Neeld disaster.

Now we are stuck with the problem of removing the captaincy from them.

Edited July 20, 2013 by old dee

[monoccular 16,094]

I'm not sure that's the reason he wasn't made captain, I think it is more likely related to his lack of leadership around the club. Yeah he may be our best player but how often do you see him directing traffic on field? Great player doesn't mean mean he is the type of person to direct others, to demand standards are met, or to encourage and lead others. From reports inside the club he had stepped up dramatically in that area in the past 6 months.

Being able to lead on field through actions is but one aspect of being captain. I all hoped Grimes and Trengove would step up on field, Grimes certainly has and Trengove has struggled.

Just because we can't see leadership in 2 hours on a weekend doesn't mean that person isn't a leader.

So Moloney would be better then??? ;-(

Sorry deanok IMO the game played on the weekend is 75% of the reason you are the captain.

If you cannot show leadership during a game you should not be the captain.

The rest is dancing with your sister.

The last two seasons Trengove has barely showed good enough form to justify his spot in the team most weeks

Making him and Grimes co captains was another Neeld disaster.

Now we are stuck with the problem of removing the captaincy from them.

I would have to, in retrospect, agree that the baby co-captains was a very bad idea: IMO this should be reversed next year and allow them to work on developing their fitness and their games. Sure it could be seen as a slight to them by some, but I expect that they are mature enough to see that the move would be for the greater good, including theirs.

[deanox 8,629]

Old Dee and Mono, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on what leadership really means. (On re read, I'm not sure if Mono disagrees or was just taking the [censored]!)

I think Jones would be a better captain than Moloney bit neither are/were ideal leaders. Moloney thought he was a leader, and goods leadership style was "dictator". He may have directed but didn't do the hard yards himself, didn't do the thinking and want willing to listen to others. The old adage "to lead you must serve" type thing is beyond Moloneys understanding.

On field leadership is important but that doesn't make a captain of the club in my opinion. Claiming it is the most important part is like saying the best worker should be boss. Clearly that is not the case; leadership is a different skill set.

Jones' behaviour was too unassuming to be the captain we needed to help set the culture of the club. We need to set a culture of development and hard work, and while he may epitomise this, Jones' style was just to go about his business quietly and unobtrusively on his own. I'd go so far as to describe him as almost shy, both on and off the field. Even on field he doesn't fly the flag, he doesn't get fired up, he just does his thing, workman like.

Regardless of all of this Grimes has repeatedly, under different coaches, won the club leadership award despite not playing much during that time. And given that all reports from inside the club suggest Trengove and Grimes could not be sold when it came to leadership. These two facts alone indicate that the Trengove appointment was for the right reasons.

Was he ready to take on the burden of captaincy? Probably not. Has it impacted him? Possibly. Has it been the sole contributor to his poor form? No. Was he the best option available? Pretty clearly yes. Is he the right captain moving forward? Unsure, as Jones and Garland have stepped up and Dawes has been recruited.

Edited July 20, 2013 by deanox