The Trade/Draft Rumour Mill

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

Sadly we drafted the 'bull' himself Luke Tapscott, and he's proved to be just as useless as the skinny kids. I hope all the Melbourne drafters completely ignore the past. Don't rule out skinny kids, fat kids, red heads or women.. Pick who Paul and his trusted rate will develop into an a-game player. Whoever they back, I'll support....

At least until Round 1

Well obviously just because you are well built doesn't mean you are going to be an instant success at AFL level, but for what we need (midfield grunt) there is a better chance of finding that with someone who has the build to back that.

Not sure what Tapscott was before we drafted him, a high midfielder - a Sylvia type? Needed an out and out mid

[Craig Drinker 179]

Watching Fyfe is a tease, as he is the perfect example of size doesn't matter and comparing him to Morton makes me weep. I think we are a little gun shy on drafting the skinny kids now because every skinny kid we draft is an utter failure. It is the reason why I want to draft a ready to go "bull" because we are in no position to gamble on another stick insect at this point in time.

Tapscott was built like a brick outhouse when we recruited him, but unfortunately hasn't set the world on fire as yet.

[Wormburner 674]

Watching Fyfe is a tease, as he is the perfect example of size doesn't matter and comparing him to Morton makes me weep. I think we are a little gun shy on drafting the skinny kids now because every skinny kid we draft is an utter failure. It is the reason why I want to draft a ready to go "bull" because we are in no position to gamble on another stick insect at this point in time.

Gunstan from Hawks is also another - very little of him, but the kid kicked a/se on Saturday!

Still, I can understand why people are against it after Morton.

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

Everyone references Tapscott because I used the word "bull" haha

[jumbo returns 6,488]

Okay....one more point on the 'skinny' debate and I'm done.

Gunston's build and Fyfe's build is no way like Gysbert's or Morton's - look at the size of their thighs, that allows them strength in the hips.

Secondly, Fyfe and Gunston are elite runners and extremely, extremely fit!

Thirdly, their attitude is one where they work hard to establish space and rarely get caught.

Morton and Gysberts? Pffft! Gimme a break!!

[dee-luded 2,958]

Sadly we drafted the 'bull' himself Luke Tapscott, and he's proved to be just as useless as the skinny kids. I hope all the Melbourne drafters completely ignore the past. Don't rule out skinny kids, fat kids, red heads or women.. Pick who Paul and his trusted rate will develop into an a-game player. Whoever they back, I'll support....

At least until Round 1

well one things for sure, we have to recruit the players the coach & his development team believe they can work with to improve.

[rjay 23,922]

Yes he may say hello but he also played in an era that is not as taxing on the younger bodies as the afl is now. If you go by that then Cale Morton would have been a superstar

No, Robbie had a few things going for him that Cale didn't. He was a real football player, he had sublime skills and a massive heart. It doesn't matter what era you play in these things always win out.

[Scipio 5,868]

I think it's clear that it is more about application, competitiveness and hardness at the contest rather than build.

Look at Josh Hunt, 100KG and soft as butter.

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

Okay....one more point on the 'skinny' debate and I'm done.

Gunston's build and Fyfe's build is no way like Gysbert's or Morton's - look at the size of their thighs, that allows them strength in the hips.

Secondly, Fyfe and Gunston are elite runners and extremely, extremely fit!

Thirdly, their attitude is one where they work hard to establish space and rarely get caught.

Morton and Gysberts? Pffft! Gimme a break!!

I think it all comes down to your third point; attitude. Morton supposedly had elite fitness, size of thighs and strenth in the hips can be trained into them if they had a good attitude in the gym and training track. It was a fighting spirit that Gysberts and Morton lacked. I mean how often did we hear about Morton's conquests on the Fifa game on playstation. Get a kick on the real field that you actually play on you hack.

Edited September 30, 2013 by Bring Back Bennell

[nutbean 8,837]

I think it's clear that it is more about application, competitiveness and hardness at the contest rather than build.

Look at Josh Hunt, 100KG and soft as butter.

Maybe - but I'd still say that from a distance - even if he "walked" through me I dont think I would wake up for a week.

[brey9186 102]

I'd really hope we talk to Zaharakis.

the others I haven't taken much note of?

St Kilda has been in Myers ear, promised midfield time, which he wants. Tall mid in fyfe model, but hasn't come past being a HBF utility. Monster kick and just needs to opportunity for time in middle and can be very good!

Zaharakis everyone knows, and kommer is a [censored], hack skills are runs around trying to hit people, doesn't even do it with the class of mitch Robinson, just squeals when he gets hit back! Myers and Zaha would be instant improvements

[dee-luded 2,958]

I think it all comes down to your third point; attitude. Morton supposedly had elite fitness, size of thighs and strenth in the hips can be trained into them if they had a good attitude in the gym and training track. It was a fighting spirit that Gysberts and Morton lacked. I mean how often did we hear about Morton's conquests on the Fifa game on playstation. Get a kick on the real field that you actually play on you hack.

should have chased the Olympic dream instead, distance runner, or high jump?

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

should have chased the Olympic dream instead, distance runner, or high jump?

100 metre dash, Lade at starting line for inspiration lol

[dee-luded 2,958]

St Kilda has been in Myers ear, promised midfield time, which he wants. Tall mid in fyfe model, but hasn't come past being a HBF utility. Monster kick and just needs to opportunity for time in middle and can be very good!

Zaharakis everyone knows, and kommer is a [censored], hack skills are runs around trying to hit people, doesn't even do it with the class of mitch Robinson, just squeals when he gets hit back! Myers and Zaha would be instant improvements

myers in the middle? OK thats my out of the square thinking.

I've really gotta get some fun back & start to freshen up. I'm getting stale as. losing interest.

I remember myers from the TAC cup, but now can't picture him.

thanks for the notes brey9186.

[Demon_Tingles 211]

One player who hasn't been mentioned here that I think if he can get it together is Shaun Higgins. Would not cost much due to his injuries second round pick maybe? Is skilled and this year's injury was just unlucky not soft tissue or anything and I think he would be a good fit for us

[jumbo returns 6,488]

One player who hasn't been mentioned here that I think if he can get it together is Shaun Higgins. Would not cost much due to his injuries second round pick maybe? Is skilled and this year's injury was just unlucky not soft tissue or anything and I think he would be a good fit for us

Can hardly stay on the park.

Another I reckon will be offloaded is Gumbleton, but he too is injury prone.

[Demon_Tingles 211]

Can hardly stay on the park.

Another I reckon will be offloaded is Gumbleton, but he too is injury prone.

As I stated this season's injury was just so unlucky nothing to say his previous injuries are still lingering. In fact almost a season out of the game would allow him to get his entire body right and strengthen the areas that needed it. Gumbleton is gone they have Daniher now who is similair Freo I can almost guarantee will get him.

[Demon_Tingles 211]

Thing is with Higgins he's still only 25 not 26 until next year. I honestly think he is worth a shot

[jumbo returns 6,488]

Thing is with Higgins he's still only 25 not 26 until next year. I honestly think he is worth a shot

Make no mistake, I like him as a crumbing forward, but there have no been no murmurings of him going anywhere.

[Demon_Tingles 211]

Make no mistake, I like him as a crumbing forward, but there have no been no murmurings of him going anywhere.

Yeah I know but I think that is in part due to the fact that he didn't play this year so he has slipped under the radar of clubs looking at recruiting. 99% chance no one will look at him but I just thought I would float the idea out there

[JT9 104]

cant believe wed be dumb enough to give pick 2 fo shaw. would be a ridiculously dumb trade
Mahoney talked about 3 or 4 players identified for pick 2. Id be amazed if pick 2 was one of those

Thankfully its jay clark

[Demon_Tingles 211]

If we give pick 2 to Collingwood for Heath Shaw I will legit lose my mind. Even getting pick 10 from them aswell is not worth it.

He was prone to snapping at a successful club playing for Melbourne might kill him.

Edited September 30, 2013 by Demon_Tingles

[DeeSpencer 23,169]

Okay....one more point on the 'skinny' debate and I'm done.

Gunston's build and Fyfe's build is no way like Gysbert's or Morton's - look at the size of their thighs, that allows them strength in the hips.

Secondly, Fyfe and Gunston are elite runners and extremely, extremely fit!

Thirdly, their attitude is one where they work hard to establish space and rarely get caught.

Morton and Gysberts? Pffft! Gimme a break!!

Give me a break Jumbo. Show me the big thighs on Gunston in either of these photos:

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?sa=X&rlz=1C1NOOH_enAU484AU484&es_sm=93&biw=1366&bih=667&tbm=isch&tbnid=wT2M8OnEngc7DM:&imgrefurl=http://www.afl.com.au/gallery/2013-05-04/afl-2013-rd-06-adelaide-v-hawthorn&docid=Pdi2XsiP0YSTjM&imgurl=http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%252520Tenant/Media/Galleries/Matches/2013/AFL%2525202013%252520Rd%25252006%252520-%252520Adelaide%252520v%252520Hawthorn/286087_gp.jpg&w=438&h=620&ei=OAZJUr2LJsmslAWehYDYCw&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:5,s:0,i:97&iact=rc&page=1&tbnh=232&tbnw=183&start=0&ndsp=17&tx=107&ty=83

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?sa=X&rlz=1C1NOOH_enAU484AU484&es_sm=93&biw=1366&bih=667&tbm=isch&tbnid=BijdqEqQJv-27M:&imgrefurl=http://www.fiveaa.com.au/audio_crows-2nd-round-draft-pick-jack-gunston_95325&docid=X4COrJ8lEw5cBM&imgurl=http://www.fiveaa.com.au/lib/images/audio/normal/crows-2nd-round-draft-pick-jack-gunston-99649.jpg&w=310&h=398&ei=OAZJUr2LJsmslAWehYDYCw&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:9,s:0,i:109&iact=rc&page=1&tbnh=232&tbnw=194&start=0&ndsp=17&tx=51&ty=34

Or Fyfe

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?sa=X&rlz=1C1NOOH_enAU484AU484&es_sm=93&biw=1366&bih=667&tbm=isch&tbnid=crLttJ6vkoOSKM:&imgrefurl=http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2011-07-27/nat-fyfe-contract-extension&docid=BNayjNNj2-i_0M&imgurl=http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/staticfile/AFL%252520Tenant/Invisible%252520Archive/Images/Static%252520Files/fremantle_images/2009_Promotion_Pics/fyfe-resigns246a.jpg&w=246&h=316&ei=LAdJUsWJFsfMkwXp2YCICw&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:56,s:0,i:254&iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=186&tbnw=143&start=42&ndsp=24&tx=32&ty=80

Look at this imposing build

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?sa=X&rlz=1C1NOOH_enAU484AU484&es_sm=93&biw=1366&bih=667&tbm=isch&tbnid=6JDXstJoD6_j5M:&imgrefurl=http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/nathan-fyfe-pick-20-2009-nd.656368/&docid=hAg3k9aaFnZydM&imgurl=http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/images/AFL/AFL%252520K-O/FYFE%252520Nat_draft_246_meeta.jpg&w=246&h=316&ei=LAdJUsWJFsfMkwXp2YCICw&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:0,s:0,i:78&iact=rc&page=1&tbnh=188&tbnw=143&start=0&ndsp=19&tx=82&ty=111

You are right it's about attitude, development, work ethic and footballing skills. It's not at all about how many kg's of muscle they carry when they are 18, just finished most of their growing, not even finished puberty and really shouldn't be doing any heavy weights training. Port Adelaide fitness guru Darren Burgess doesn't even let his first year draftees do weights. He builds up their fitness and core strength first and that seemed to go ok for Oli Wines, Jake Neade and Sam Colquhoun.

[DeeSpencer 23,169]

myers in the middle? OK thats my out of the square thinking.

I've really gotta get some fun back & start to freshen up. I'm getting stale as. losing interest.

I remember myers from the TAC cup, but now can't picture him.

thanks for the notes brey9186.

You might mean under 18 champs. Hard to remember him in a competition he didn't play in. He's been asking for more midfield time for years at the bombers and can find the footy. Has a big heavy build and waddles around a bit but sure can roost the footy. I wonder if he has the quickness in close to win clearances though. But Jobe Watson used to move like a boulder but now glides through stoppages using his bulk, strength and quick first step.

[Gippsland Dee 367]

if we were to go after Shaun Higgins i would only offer a 3rd rnd pick. Not worth a 2nd rounder. I think the reputation he had when drafted has stuck in peoples minds, but he very rarely produces it when he's on the park

Edited September 30, 2013 by young dee enthusiast