On 03/08/2013 at 10:16, jumbo returns said:

It's a Toumpas thread.

Please start a Howe, Sylvia, Davey, Grimes and Trengove thread and I'll comment.

He is (another) wasted pick. Face it.

Jumbo yoo are so right!

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:18, titan_uranus said:

If I did start a thread, I'd certainly not be hoping it's so that you can post in it.

Toumpas is not a wasted pick. If we'd picked Wines we'd be 0% better, and you'd be whinging about Wines. Toumpas isn't close to being one of our problems right now.

Face it.

Cool.

How about this?

You stop replying to me, and I'll return the favour.

See ya

So there is a 25 page thread on a first year player in the most crapola side I have seen.

Do you really think this kid is our biggest problem?

Now I'm not a smart man but maybe we should be looking elsewhere in identifying the real problems in this chronically underperforming side that each year serves up the same dribble

A wasted pick, are you serious?

he has played what 10 games? i would suggest there are a few players who have taken more than 10 games to find their feet.

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:18, 45HG said:

People having a go at a 19 year-old first-year player are missing the bigger picture. In fact, arguably, the entire picture.

Our club is rotten. The culture is putrid. We can't develop players and are mediocre to the core.

None of this is Toumpas' fault - unfortunately it is now his problem.

Hey Mate doesnt seem to effect Jones does it you apologist along with half the idiots on this forum

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:13, jackaub said:

SO why select him if you know that

Firstly, I didn't select him.

Second, the club selected him because he was the best available. Early picks must always be best available. If we got pick 1 this year and did not trade it, they'd be mad to pick a mid above Boyd, even though we need mids. That does not negate the fact that we must have mature quality midfielders to lead the way for Toumpas, Viney and the other young mids. We've been crappy at developing mids in the last few years, so he question I ask is, do we trade for that and who?

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:18, 45HG said:

People having a go at a 19 year-old first-year player are missing the bigger picture. In fact, arguably, the entire picture.

Our club is rotten. The culture is putrid. We can't develop players and are mediocre to the core.

None of this is Toumpas' fault - unfortunately it is now his problem.

I don't think anyone is blaming Toumpas.

I blame the MFC as he was the wrong kid to draft.

You draft a Toumpas into a more experienced side. The guy we didn't draft would have suited our bare bones midfield better. How much is debatable.

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:21, jackaub said:

Hey Mate doesnt seem to effect Jones does it you apologist along with half the idiots on this forum

Lol! Your intellect is amazing Jackie Boy.

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:14, Sambo06 said:

Good spelling peanut. Almost as crap as your point.

Hey Sambo what about the point? You think Toumpas was an inspired selection Watch the game before you comment you obviously were either asleep or you didnt watch

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:22, why you little said:

I don't think anyone is blaming Toumpas.

I blame the MFC as he was the wrong kid to draft.

You draft a Toumpas into a more experienced side. The guy we didn't draft would have suited our bare bones midfield better. How much is debatable.

It would have been Wines.

A competitive, big bodied animal.

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:22, Moonshadow said:

Firstly, I didn't select him.

Second, the club selected him because he was the best available. Early picks must always be best available. If we got pick 1 this year and did not trade it, they'd be mad to pick a mid above Boyd, even though we need mids. That does not negate the fact that we must have mature quality midfielders to lead the way for Toumpas, Viney and the other young mids. We've been crappy at developing mids in the last few years, so he question I ask is, do we trade for that and who?

Best avaiable means nothing if he cant play

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:22, why you little said:

I don't think anyone is blaming Toumpas.

I blame the MFC as he was the wrong kid to draft.

You draft a Toumpas into a more experienced side. The guy we didn't draft would have suited our bare bones midfield better. How much is debatable.

perfect understanding

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:25, jumbo returns said:

It would have been Wines.

A competitive, big bodied animal.

Who would have struggled to have an impact whilst having no support, no fitness, no confidence, no enthusiasm, no leaders to look up to, two coaches in one year, neither any good.

Then, you'd have whinged about taking a slow, stocky, unskilled midfielder instead of taking someone who can kick.

Either way, we'd be right where we are now.

And you'd still be a fool.

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:18, 45HG said:

People having a go at a 19 year-old first-year player are missing the bigger picture. In fact, arguably, the entire picture.

Our club is rotten. The culture is putrid. We can't develop players and are mediocre to the core.

None of this is Toumpas' fault - unfortunately it is now his problem.

Spot on. ^ ^ ^ ^

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:27, titan_uranus said:

Who would have struggled to have an impact whilst having no support, no fitness, no confidence, no enthusiasm, no leaders to look up to, two coaches in one year, neither any good.

Then, you'd have whinged about taking a slow, stocky, unskilled midfielder instead of taking someone who can kick.

Either way, we'd be right where we are now.

And you'd still be a fool.

This is your summation of Wines?

Wow, you'd better whisper that because you're showing yourself up as the village idiot you are.

Note to self: JR, you will only engage in talking footy. No more personal comments.

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:33, jumbo returns said:

This is your summation of Wines?

Wow, you'd better whisper that because you're showing yourself up as the village [censored] you are.

Note to self: JR, you will only engage in talking footy. No more personal comments.

No, what I'm saying (this is probably too much for you) is that if Wines was here, he'd be way, way worse than he is at Port right now. He'd be far off the pace he's showing now, and the result would be that people like you who think that our first year players are a problem would be having a go at him.

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:25, jackaub said:

Best avaiable means nothing if he cant play

Cheap one liner jackaub.

I truly doubt Wines would be having any more success with us now. Port have a midfield that can support him.

In the long run Toumpas will be a better player for us than Wines would have been. If we can get a couple of good senior mids like Sewell and Swan we can fast track his development. Toumpas can play.

It's not possible to judge after a handful of games. Many on here would have culled N Jones and Frawley after their first couple of years.

Jimmy Toumpas needs to be back at Casey and brought on with a view to 2014. Give him a break from the destruction of MFC 1sts right now.

(posted for the 4 th consecutive week !!)

The problem is not toumpas as we all know it's this cancer riddled club he is gifted games he should not be getting would he be playing at Sydney? If I had a young draftee coming through I'd be pretty disappointed if he were selected to MFC terrible place to

  On 03/08/2013 at 09:44, Demonfan26 said:

Doesn't really make a difference?

If you're the one that is using age as an excuse then of course it makes a difference to the point YOU'RE making.

It's YOUR point, not mine. If you use age to make YOUR point then get it right. Then YOU'RE not corrected by people like me who are making NO point other than correcting YOU.

are you suggesting age isnt an excuse, how would you go been thrown in the deep end at his age? give him more than a handful of games to prove himself

  On 03/08/2013 at 13:52, Demonfan26 said:

are you suggesting age isnt an excuse, how would you go been thrown in the deep end at his age? give him more than a handful of games to prove himself

I did no more than correct your incorrect assertion.

Or can't you read ?

comprehend

fair enough, apologies

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:18, 45HG said:

People having a go at a 19 year-old first-year player are missing the bigger picture. In fact, arguably, the entire picture.

Our club is rotten. The culture is putrid. We can't develop players and are mediocre to the core.

None of this is Toumpas' fault - unfortunately it is now his problem.

Agree. Great post.

You can't blame Jimmy Toumpas for not being Oliver Wines.

At least he puts in and seems to have the right attitude, unlike Morton or even Watts.