On 03/08/2013 at 08:12, Demonfan26 said:

I didn't say they don't go hard, but confidence is one thing we clearly lack compared to their players, if toumpas was there he'd get far more support, players would go out of their way to get him the ball to build his confidence, senior gun players would demonstrate on field what is expected and required to be good AFL players, we have none of the above.

Apologies, you didn't.

But, it's the way Toumpas plays the game that worries me.

  On 03/08/2013 at 08:22, jumbo returns said:

Apologies, you didn't.

But, it's the way Toumpas plays the game that worries me.

I think most of it is confidence, he seems to be attacking the contest more as the year has gone on, maybe a full pre season and some confidence will give us a better indication, but my brother in law is mates with a bloke involved at the doggies and they considered Toumpas on par with whitfield at pick one and couldn't believe he got through to us, so i still hold out faith.

  On 03/08/2013 at 08:22, jumbo returns said:

Apologies, you didn't.

But, it's the way Toumpas plays the game that worries me.

It is a worry how Toump plays at the moment - there is no confidence in his game at all - it was higlighted in the 2nd qtr??? when he was clear inside 50 and had two options (kick goal or pass to spencer) and fuked it up...

It is also a worry that people can write off a 1st year player that has had zero support in the midfield as well. N Jones and Viney is all he had today. Put Toup in a good side and he will flourish. The problem with the MFC is there is no leadership and [censored] poor standards

How about judging a bloke like Sylvia whos been in the system 10 years and I saw more of Toup then I did of Sylvia and I'd back Toump had a greater impact then the 10 year hero Sylvia (that should be saying something)

  On 03/08/2013 at 08:41, Unleash Hell said:

It is a worry how Toump plays at the moment - there is no confidence in his game at all - it was higlighted in the 2nd qtr??? when he was clear inside 50 and had two options (kick goal or pass to spencer) and fuked it up...

It is also a worry that people can write off a 1st year player that has had zero support in the midfield as well. N Jones and Viney is all he had today. Put Toup in a good side and he will flourish. The problem with the MFC is there is no leadership and [censored] poor standards

How about judging a bloke like Sylvia whos been in the system 10 years and I saw more of Toup then I did of Sylvia and I'd back Toump had a greater impact then the 10 year hero Sylvia (that should be saying something)

Regardless of what side he's in, he continually makes inexcusable errors that other players don't. If he was dangerous around goals (for the second week in a row, he made a terrible decision in front of them) he'd at least warrant a selection. But he simply doesn't have enough going on in any area of his game at the moment.

  On 03/08/2013 at 08:41, Unleash Hell said:

It is a worry how Toump plays at the moment - there is no confidence in his game at all - it was higlighted in the 2nd qtr??? when he was clear inside 50 and had two options (kick goal or pass to spencer) and fuked it up...

It is also a worry that people can write off a 1st year player that has had zero support in the midfield as well. N Jones and Viney is all he had today. Put Toup in a good side and he will flourish. The problem with the MFC is there is no leadership and [censored] poor standards

How about judging a bloke like Sylvia whos been in the system 10 years and I saw more of Toup then I did of Sylvia and I'd back Toump had a greater impact then the 10 year hero Sylvia (that should be saying something)

I have no time for Colin Sylvia. Never have.

This is a Toumpas thread and he has been underwhelming thus far.....for me anyway.

  On 03/08/2013 at 08:50, jumbo returns said:

I have no time for Colin Sylvia. Never have.

This is a Toumpas thread and he has been underwhelming thus far.....for me anyway.

Fair enough i respect your entitled to you opinion in this thread

My simple point is there are others who deserve the criticism rather then toump

  On 03/08/2013 at 08:50, Neeld Aniher said:

Regardless of what side he's in, he continually makes inexcusable errors that other players don't. If he was dangerous around goals (for the second week in a row, he made a terrible decision in front of them) he'd at least warrant a selection. But he simply doesn't have enough going on in any area of his game at the moment.

NA - name me our outside mids then let me know who of them deserves to play ahead of Toump (whos only played 10 games?) who is only 18?

C'mon mate real world - the MFC are full of soft blokes who don't support the club and play for themselves - Compare Sylvias game to Toumpas for a start - then ask yourself as a young bloke how'd you go in this side?

  On 03/08/2013 at 07:41, Demonfan26 said:

Is it really so hard to understand the kid is 18, trying to find his way at AFL level in possibly the worst team of all time?

He turns 20 in 4 months.

  On 03/08/2013 at 09:42, Ben-Hur said:

He turns 20 in 4 months.

Doesn't really make a difference?

  On 03/08/2013 at 09:42, Ben-Hur said:

He turns 20 in 4 months.

how old is viney...wines..a dozen other kids ?

its irrelevent.

  On 03/08/2013 at 08:12, Demonfan26 said:

I didn't say they don't go hard, but confidence is one thing we clearly lack compared to their players, if toumpas was there he'd get far more support, players would go out of their way to get him the ball to build his confidence, senior gun players would demonstrate on field what is expected and required to be good AFL players, we have none of the above.

Unfortunately at the moment, the best way to kill a promising draftee's career is to put him in the MFC midfield. There is just so little support and leadership. Nate Jones is our best leader and performer in the middle, and I dont think he is a natural leader, just that we have none other. At any other club he wouldn't have that burden placed upon him and he could thrive without the hardest tag each week. Apart from Jones, who does Toumpas look up to in our midfield?

  On 03/08/2013 at 09:58, Moonshadow said:

Unfortunately at the moment, the best way to kill a promising draftee's career is to put him in the MFC midfield. There is just so little support and leadership. Nate Jones is our best leader and performer in the middle, and I dont think he is a natural leader, just that we have none other. At any other club he wouldn't have that burden placed upon him and he could thrive without the hardest tag each week. Apart from Jones, who does Toumpas look up to in our midfield?

That's absolutely right, Nathan Jones is a good player but he isn't a Chris Judd or Gary Ablett, we have no elite senior talent to teach our younger players, it's like the blind leading the blind, we rely on our coaches to teach these players and we have mucked up our last two coaching appointments, any wonder the players aren't developing as we'd like.

jumbo, Clint, you're pathetic. You're truly pathetic.

You're having a go at a first-year player when our 'senior' players were not just as bad, they were worse.

Toumpas has his whole career ahead of him. Where is Howe at? Sylvia? Davey? Grimes? Trengove? Those are the players you should be venting about.

Your continual collective inability to recognise how hard it is for a first-year player to play at a consistently high standard when he has no support, no leadership, and no confidence is bewildering at best.

  On 03/08/2013 at 09:58, Moonshadow said:

Apart from Jones, who does Toumpas look up to in our midfield?

Which is exactly why we should have drafted the more mature and advanced Wines.

Toumpas is a baby.

so where are all the Jimmy Toumpas supporters Sorry Apologists today Come on guys

Lets see Needs a preseason injured young needs games UHMMMMMM maybe he s not goodf enough! Geesus pick players who are ready to playMeybe he needs 5 years like Jascie boy

Wha a joke Blind fReddy could see Toumpas wasnt ready

  On 03/08/2013 at 09:58, Moonshadow said:

Unfortunately at the moment, the best way to kill a promising draftee's career is to put him in the MFC midfield. There is just so little support and leadership. Nate Jones is our best leader and performer in the middle, and I dont think he is a natural leader, just that we have none other. At any other club he wouldn't have that burden placed upon him and he could thrive without the hardest tag each week. Apart from Jones, who does Toumpas look up to in our midfield?

SO why select him if you know that

  On 03/08/2013 at 09:58, Moonshadow said:

Unfortunately at the moment, the best way to kill a promising draftee's career is to put him in the MFC midfield. There is just so little support and leadership. Nate Jones is our best leader and performer in the middle, and I dont think he is a natural leader, just that we have none other. At any other club he wouldn't have that burden placed upon him and he could thrive without the hardest tag each week. Apart from Jones, who does Toumpas look up to in our midfield?

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:01, Demonfan26 said:

That's absolutely right, Nathan Jones is a good player but he isn't a Chris Judd or Gary Ablett, we have no elite senior talent to teach our younger players, it's like the blind leading the blind, we rely on our coaches to teach these players and we have mucked up our last two coaching appointments, any wonder the players aren't developing as we'd like.

And next year we'll probably begin to kill the career of Aish or Sheed or the like and then claim him as a dud because he didn't set the world on fire after a handful of games in the worst AFL midfield seen in the last 20 years. Carlton had an average midfield, then got Judd. GC got Ablett. The circumstances are different but the point is the same. Get an A grade midfielder or 2 who are leaders and your draftees lift. So the question is, who would we target? Daisy? Swan? Sidey? Sewell? Fyfe? Kennedy (Swans)? D Martin? If we could get the last 2 we'd go a fair way towards righting the ship.

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:11, jackaub said:

so where are all the Jimmy Toumpas supporters Sorry Apologists today Come on guys

Lets see Needs a preseason injured young needs games UHMMMMMM maybe he s not goodf enough! Geesus pick players who are ready to playMeybe he needs 5 years like Jascie boy

Wha a joke Blind fReddy could see Toumpas wasnt ready

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:11, jackaub said:

so where are all the Jimmy Toumpas supporters Sorry Apologists today Come on guys

Lets see Needs a preseason injured young needs games UHMMMMMM maybe he s not goodf enough! Geesus pick players who are ready to playMeybe he needs 5 years like Jascie boy

Wha a joke Blind fReddy could see Toumpas wasnt ready

Good spelling peanut. Almost as crap as your point.

  On 03/08/2013 at 09:42, Ben-Hur said:

He turns 20 in 4 months.

Hey Ben You are part of the reason MFC is where its is now you keep making excuses for these players Doesnt happen at other clubs do you understand that

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:09, titan_uranus said:

jumbo, Clint, you're pathetic. You're truly pathetic.

You're having a go at a first-year player when our 'senior' players were not just as bad, they were worse.

Toumpas has his whole career ahead of him. Where is Howe at? Sylvia? Davey? Grimes? Trengove? Those are the players you should be venting about.

Your continual collective inability to recognise how hard it is for a first-year player to play at a consistently high standard when he has no support, no leadership, and no confidence is bewildering at best.

It's a Toumpas thread.

Please start a Howe, Sylvia, Davey, Grimes and Trengove thread and I'll comment.

He is (another) wasted pick. Face it.

Edited August 3, 201311 yr by jumbo returns

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:16, jumbo returns said:

It's a Toumpas thread.

Please start a Howe, Sylvia, Davey, Grimes and Trengove thread and I'll comment.

He is a wasted pick. Face it.

If I did start a thread, I'd certainly not be hoping it's so that you can post in it.

Toumpas is not a wasted pick. If we'd picked Wines we'd be 0% better, and you'd be whinging about Wines. Toumpas isn't close to being one of our problems right now.

Face it.

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:14, Moonshadow said:

And next year we'll probably begin to kill the career of Aish or Sheed or the like and then claim him as a dud because he didn't set the world on fire after a handful of games in the worst AFL midfield seen in the last 20 years. Carlton had an average midfield, then got Judd. GC got Ablett. The circumstances are different but the point is the same. Get an A grade midfielder or 2 who are leaders and your draftees lift. So the question is, who would we target? Daisy? Swan? Sidey? Sewell? Fyfe? Kennedy (Swans)? D Martin? If we could get the last 2 we'd go a fair way towards righting the ship.

Fyfe and Dustin martin would be huge gets for us, but i think we need guys like sewell and swan, older blokes who have been around a while too,

People having a go at a 19 year-old first-year player are missing the bigger picture. In fact, arguably, the entire picture.

Our club is rotten. The culture is putrid. We can't develop players and are mediocre to the core.

None of this is Toumpas' fault - unfortunately it is now his problem.

Trade Toumpas + Trengove as a pair. Would have to get a first round pick there.

  On 03/08/2013 at 10:09, titan_uranus said:

jumbo, Clint, you're pathetic. You're truly pathetic.

You're having a go at a first-year player when our 'senior' players were not just as bad, they were worse.

Toumpas has his whole career ahead of him. Where is Howe at? Sylvia? Davey? Grimes? Trengove? Those are the players you should be venting about.

Your continual collective inability to recognise how hard it is for a first-year player to play at a consistently high standard when he has no support, no leadership, and no confidence is bewildering at best.

Hey Titan {people here have made excuses for players like Silvia the whole of their careers Dont you get it? This is where it starts !Silvia should have been exposed early in his career= Grimes also Davey Is a joke! Some here support them all in spite of their serial underperforming See the reality!!