"There's a strong argument," Gil McLachlan on a Priority Pick.

[P-man 13,366]

If we find ourselves with two picks inside the top ten I'm all for trading one but not both. I'd look to be using at least one of them on the best available mid to come through at the same time as Viney and Toump.

Agree that it is a fine balancing act between requirements now and setting up for the future, but it's fair to say I have more faith in those handing these decisions than I have in the past.

[Fat Tony 5,262]

I would consider that also but have a sneaking suspicion there may be caveats to any PP's.. On that basis our pick 3 is all 'ours" sts

Any caveat would likely be that it must be traded.

[beelzebub 23,382]

If we find ourselves with two picks inside the top ten I'm all for trading one but not both. I'd look to be using at least one of them on the best available mid to come through at the same time as Viney and Toump.

Agree that it is a fine balancing act between requirements now and setting up for the future, but it's fair to say I have more faith in those handing these decisions than I have in the past.

Yeah, I wouldnt be in a rush to trade both. What we should remember is that all these wonderfully able Mids did originally come from somewhere in a draft, and not always the sharper end. They are there and lthey require development. Granted not our forte for some whiles but we do seem to have gotten a little better.

if we could trade for someone half way decent and also use a selection to bring a potential into the fold then that would be my preference. But im only an amateur at this and I think theres been more than a few at the club of recent times so maybe my input is worth nada lol

[beelzebub 23,382]

Any caveat would likely be that it must be traded.

it would make it interesting

[Fat Tony 5,262]

If we find ourselves with two picks inside the top ten I'm all for trading one but not both. I'd look to be using at least one of them on the best available mid to come through at the same time as Viney and Toump.

Agree that it is a fine balancing act between requirements now and setting up for the future, but it's fair to say I have more faith in those handing these decisions than I have in the past.

Whitfield, O'Meara or Wines are the only ones worthy, but none will be put on the market.

[Clark_Kent 315]

We look to trade #1 (Boyd) because the next half dozen are all around equally rated and mids and Boyd is a standout. Knightmare on Bigfooty rates Boyd above Hogan on his power ratings.

I don't know how he could rate him higher. Hogan has kicked 30 goals playing VFL against MEN not boys. I would personally have Hogan ahead due to this fact.

[old dee 23,870]

Whitfield, O'Meara or Wines are the only ones worthy, but none will be put on the market.

Haven't you heard FT GCS want Frawley we are arranging a swap for O'meara

[Fat Tony 5,262]

I don't know how he could rate him higher. Hogan has kicked 30 goals playing VFL against MEN not boys. I would personally have Hogan ahead due to this fact.

Don't shoot the messenger. Knightmare rates Boyd higher than Watts, Scully, Swallow, Patton, Whitfield at the same age. (Although this could be only with the benefit of hindsight.)

[beelzebub 23,382]

Don't shoot the messenger. Knightmare rates Boyd higher than Watts, Scully, Swallow, Patton, Whitfield at the same age. (Although this could be only with the benefit of hindsight.)

The reality is KM doesnt bat a 100%, no one does. Its a bit of a call , for mine , lauding him as such off the back of kiddie games only. Have no doubt that Boyd may be pretty good but then many a 1st pick nominee has had a lot of unwarranted heraldry about them . From the limited Ive seen ...and that means TV /internet for Boyd and Training /Internet/TV and a couple of Casey visits for Hogan I would think the Hulk has it. Theres a better footy brain inside Jesse whilst the Boyd has a big footprint on a game I dont think he has that certain panache. Boyd is a big fish in little ponds currently. Hogan is tearing it up in the deeper water.

Many a pundit have Boyd as plug and play. Im not so sure, still would need an education. We can all discuss this with 100% vision say, this time next year

[Fat Tony 5,262]

The reality is KM doesnt bat a 100%, no one does. Its a bit of a call , for mine , lauding him as such off the back of kiddie games only. Have no doubt that Boyd may be pretty good but then many a 1st pick nominee has had a lot of unwarranted heraldry about them . From the limited Ive seen ...and that means TV /internet for Boyd and Training /Internet/TV and a couple of Casey visits for Hogan I would think the Hulk has it. Theres a better footy brain inside Jesse whilst the Boyd has a big footprint on a game I dont think he has that certain panache. Boyd is a big fish in little ponds currently. Hogan is tearing it up in the deeper water.

Many a pundit have Boyd as plug and play. Im not so sure, still would need an education. We can all discuss this with 100% vision say, this time next year

I agree with you and these are not my views. I saw Hogan play on Saturday and was extremely impressed, so I got a bit of a shock when I saw that KM ranked Boyd higher.

I hope Boyd is seen as better if we get #1. While it would be difficult to trade a future star, we just don't need a KPF.

[old dee 23,870]

The reality is KM doesnt bat a 100%, no one does. Its a bit of a call , for mine , lauding him as such off the back of kiddie games only. Have no doubt that Boyd may be pretty good but then many a 1st pick nominee has had a lot of unwarranted heraldry about them . From the limited Ive seen ...and that means TV /internet for Boyd and Training /Internet/TV and a couple of Casey visits for Hogan I would think the Hulk has it. Theres a better footy brain inside Jesse whilst the Boyd has a big footprint on a game I dont think he has that certain panache. Boyd is a big fish in little ponds currently. Hogan is tearing it up in the deeper water.

Many a pundit have Boyd as plug and play. Im not so sure, still would need an education. We can all discuss this with 100% vision say, this time next year

A certain LC was All Australian in the juniors and did not play a game.

One in the hand will do me

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

hogan is playing against men and dominating more so than boyd is against kids..

[beelzebub 23,382]

A certain LC was All Australian in the juniors and did not play a game.

One in the hand will do me

and they reckon I'm cynical !!!

you are of course right

[Adam The God 30,403]

If I had the Boyd pick I would be asking Carlton for Murphy and they would have to consider, so yeah it's always worth asking the question.

I don't think they would, rjay. Murphy holds the key to any hopes they might have of a flag. If they added Boyd and didn't have Murphy in the midfield to deliver it to him, with Judd a year or two away from retirement, they'd have to hope Judd could carry the midfield single-handedly. Not going to happen and Carlton wouldn't be stupid enough to deem this the case.

[deesrule 104]

How about no priority pick but enough cash to poach a few or keep some. Developing players has been our biggest problem .

[beelzebub 23,382]

How about no priority pick but enough cash to poach a few or keep some. Developing players has been our biggest problem .

Money alone isnt the answer unless they uprate our salary cap ala swans etc.

[old dee 23,870]

How about no priority pick but enough cash to poach a few or keep some. Developing players has been our biggest problem .

While we have not been great at developing players deerule I don't believe it has been our biggest problem.

A large number of our early picks have been just plain poor.

No amount of great development would have turned them into anything more than they were.

Just poor picks that were poor players.

[deesrule 104]

Money alone isnt the answer unless they uprate our salary cap ala swans etc.

That's exactly the point an expanded salary cap allowing us to keep the Watts and Sylvias as well as top up on some new talent.

If the AFL is serious about bringing us back to a power ,which is in their interest then this would be a simple and effective method. Some of the other struggling clubs could never bring in the crowds like a powerful Melbourne.

[Gorgoroth 13,016]

Lol, we will not get pick 1 as a priority. I do not think we will even get one.

But, if we did, the earliest would be second round.

I hope we win another 3 games and the talk of a priority goes away and never surfaces ever again.

[rpfc 28,734]

That's exactly the point an expanded salary cap allowing us to keep the Watts and Sylvias as well as top up on some new talent.

If the AFL is serious about bringing us back to a power ,which is in their interest then this would be a simple and effective method. Some of the other struggling clubs could never bring in the crowds like a powerful Melbourne.

Don't fall for this smoke and mirrors call for an expanded salary cap - it is a trap.

We get a bloated salary cap. So we overpay all our players, and then we are told 3 years later that we can't have it anymore and we will have a terrible time trying to fit back into it.

We need talent, we HAVE plenty of cap space as it is to keep and attract.

We need talent.

We need draft assistance.

[rjay 25,063]

I don't think they would, rjay. Murphy holds the key to any hopes they might have of a flag. If they added Boyd and didn't have Murphy in the midfield to deliver it to him, with Judd a year or two away from retirement, they'd have to hope Judd could carry the midfield single-handedly. Not going to happen and Carlton wouldn't be stupid enough to deem this the case.

I don't think they would either but I would ask the question, I want to see how far they will go. A key forward also holds the hopes they might have of a flag and this is there chance to get one.

Lol, we will not get pick 1 as a priority. I do not think we will even get one.

But, if we did, the earliest would be second round.

I hope we win another 3 games and the talk of a priority goes away and never surfaces ever again.

Winning 3 more games this year has nothing to do with the priority pick and if we get one or two I guarantee it won't be second round.

As I said earlier don't look a gift horse in the mouth...we need picks if we are to compete with GWS or GC in a couple of years time, if you are happy for us to improve a bit and sit mid level for a few years but not be a serious contender then stay with your current thinking.

Don't link this with tanking, it's now a different issue, we're not tanking to get these picks we're just not good enough.

Don't fall for this smoke and mirrors call for an expanded salary cap - it is a trap.

We get a bloated salary cap. So we overpay all our players, and then we are told 3 years later that we can't have it anymore and we will have a terrible time trying to fit back into it.

We need talent, we HAVE plenty of cap space as it is to keep and attract.

We need talent.

We need draft assistance.

Agree, and I hope more get on board. Too many are getting sucked into arguments from the other clubs, who cares about them.

[deanox 9,986]

Don't fall for this smoke and mirrors call for an expanded salary cap - it is a trap.

We get a bloated salary cap. So we overpay all our players, and then we are told 3 years later that we can't have it anymore and we will have a terrible time trying to fit back into it.

We need talent, we HAVE plenty of cap space as it is to keep and attract.

We need talent.

We need draft assistance.

QFT

end thread

[P-man 13,366]

Okay, THIS will be my last post.

I know you blokes are craving this priority pick like some sort of miracle cure, and to hell with what other clubs think or how history will view it. It's not exactly a view I share, but I get it.

However there are 15 other clubs who will also be struggling to compete with two expansion clubs that have been absolutely stockpiled with top end talent. So saying we'll need this pick to compete with them in a few years time, most other clubs would be saying the same thing.

Edited July 4, 2013 by P_Man

[rjay 25,063]

Okay, THIS will be my last post.

I know you blokes are craving this priority pick like some sort of miracle cure, and to hell with what other clubs think or how history will view it. It's not exactly a view I share, but I get it.

However there are 15 other clubs who will also be struggling to compete with two expansion clubs that have been absolutely stockpiled with top end talent. So saying we'll need this pick to compete with them in a few years time, most other clubs would be saying the same thing.

Now I'm done with this topic. What will be will be.

It's not a miracle cure 'P_Man, and I don't care what other clubs will be saying. We are in a position where we need assistance, we take it as we are rebuilding the club and it will do what it is meant to do, assist us. Of course it's no miracle cure.

[deanox 9,986]

It's not a miracle cure 'P_Man, and I don't care what other clubs will be saying. We are in a position where we need assistance, we take it as we are rebuilding the club and it will do what it is meant to do, assist us. Of course it's no miracle cure.

I agree with rjays description and I'll add that if we don't get one I won't be jumping up and down.

If we get one I'll take it because we need all the help we can get. If we don't qualify for one I'd argue that no one will ever qualify until they have had 8 years like our last 7 which I hope no supporters ever have to go through.

edit except for Collingwoods, Essendons, carltons, Richmonds, hawthorns, Ports and GWS's.

Edited July 4, 2013 by deanox