So our rookie midfielders get 82 touches between them at Casey, and our midfield is roundly hammered as the worst midfield in the league.

Surely they should be given a run, no ???

Remember who our coach is, then think about it again.

Been thinking the same thing myself!

Toumpas is not afl ready yet IMO, magner and or couch should be in the team.

I mentioned in another thread recently that at VFL level against Essendon McKenzie had 44 touches. There is a vast difference with form and how it translates at the next level. I asked Neil Craig recently if our focus is on contested ball, stoppages and tackles why neither of them were getting a game. His response was whilst both were ok in those areas they had work to do on their spread and with their ball use.

I dont understand the reference to Toumpas as they are different type players however I could understand if you wondered why Jordie and Rodan received games ahead of them. Toumpas showed enough last game as to why we need to develop him in the team and not at VFL where his form allows.

Been thinking the same thing myself!

Toumpas is not afl ready yet IMO, magner and or couch should be in the team.

I think we need to get games into Toumpas, Blease and Viney.

http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/34177-rookie-elevation-for-tom-couch-james-magner-in-this-years-draft/

I mentioned in another thread recently that at VFL level against Essendon McKenzie had 44 touches. There is a vast difference with form and how it translates at the next level. I asked Neil Craig recently if our focus is on contested ball, stoppages and tackles why neither of them were getting a game. His response was whilst both were ok in those areas they had work to do on their spread and with their ball use.

I dont understand the reference to Toumpas as they are different type players however I could understand if you wondered why Jordie and Rodan received games ahead of them. Toumpas showed enough last game as to why we need to develop him in the team and not at VFL where his form allows.

And McKenzie's ball-use and spread is exemplary?

And McKenzie's ball-use and spread is exemplary?

Pointing out that ordinary player X is getting a game is not a good justification for giving poor players Y and Z a game.

Pointing out that ordinary player X is getting a game is not a good justification for giving poor players Y and Z a game.

The argument is actually that ordinary player Y is less-ordinary than ordinary player X.

The argument is actually that ordinary player Y is less-ordinary than ordinary player X.

That about sums up the MFC at present

WE compare degrees of crapiness!

Yes I know it is not a word

And McKenzie's ball-use and spread is exemplary?

did you not read where I said I could understand him getting a game ahead of McKenzie?

This topic has been done to death already. Mods, merge with this maybe?

http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/34177-rookie-elevation-for-tom-couch-james-magner-in-this-years-draft/

The argument is actually that ordinary player Y is less-ordinary than ordinary player X.

Correct, and that we don't have any "A" grade players....sorry couldn't help myself!

I never hear Sydney say we need to get games into player x. I do hear them say we need to wait until player x is ready.

I never hear Sydney say we need to get games into player x. I do hear them say we need to wait until player x is ready.

Problem is when we do that everyone says " why are we playing player W, he is a spud". Well the answer is we have to play 22 each week, and if only 10 are good enough, 15 aren't ready and 15 are spuds then someone is going to have a problem with who fills the last 12 spots.

RE Magner and Couch, they aren't good enough and won't make a difference. Ok they may get 20 touches but they won't be great touches, they won't be able to user options around due to lack of fitness and pace and they won't use the ball that we'll. They'll do ok though. But not enough to make that much difference.