Rodan was OK on the weekend but will he be at Melbourne in 2015? Play the kids Mark!

  On 02/06/2013 at 10:51, deeflog said:

INS- Sylvia, Gawn, Taggert, Magner, Blease

OUTS- Bail, Mckenzie, Jamar, Evans, Strauss

that's what I would like but not going to happen

Better selections... I totally agree with your outs... !!! Getting closer to sorting out the haves from the have nots... Ins... Definitely Sylvia and Gawn .. maybe Blease needs another go ... Not sure who else ..bit of a raffle ..

  On 02/06/2013 at 11:43, the master said:

I know he's undersized but Garland is our next best defender. Maybe its time we throw him the challenge. And the pies are likely to just play Cloke and Lynch so is there a case for replacing Frawley with a small. I suppose the question is who is our next best defender is it a tall or small? Is it Sellar or is it Nicholson or can we bring in another midfield and have Howe play half back?

FFS NOT Nicholson !!!!

In Sylvia, Magna, Macdonald, Byrnes

Out Bail, Frawley and Mackenzie

Bail has had enough opportunities and still disapoints (Trade)

I think Sylvia needs to come straight back in he dosnt need a run in the twos, Tmac obvious repacement for Frawley. Mackenzie dosnt seem the player from a couple of years ago but probably being asked to have a positive imapact now rather than just being the tag and thats not his game.

Tappy's big body would be handy but they need Byrnes experience.

Watts really frustrates me!!!!! Great skills and glimpses of effort but just cant get it together for a whole game. Only have him in the side because I recon he just and only just does enough to keep a spot but dont care if he wants to go, provided we get a half decent midfielder as a trade.

I think the side below is a bit short in defence to match up on the trailer trash but other than adding Gawn for Wats cant think of anyone else

B: Lynden Dunn, Colin Garland, Dean Terlich
HB: Jack Watts, Cam Pedersen, Tom MacDonald
C: Jack Trengove, Michael Evans, Matt Jones
HF: Shannon Byrnes, Jeremy Howe, Colin Sylvia
F: David Rodan, Chris Dawes, Aaron Davey
FOLL: Mark Jamar, James Magna, Nathan Jones
I/C: Joel Macdonald, Dean Kent, Jack Fitzpatrick, Luke Tapscott

  On 03/06/2013 at 22:20, Tall Defence said:

IN: Blease, Sellar, Sylvia

OUT: Frawley (inj), Bail, M. Jones

FB: Garland, Pedersen, Strauss

HB: MacDonald, Sellar, Terlich

C: Evans, N. Jones, Rodan

HF: Howe, Watts, Tapscott

FF: Fitzpatrick, Dawes, Kent

FOLL: Jamar, Sylvia, McKenzie

INT: Davey, Dunn, Trengove

SUB: Blease

EMERG: Davis, Jetta, M. Jones

Sylvia in is a given. Sellar in for Frawley ahead of Davis is a given also I believe given the size of Collingwoods forwards, I think against St Kilda after the bye would be a much better place to debut Davis. Blease should also get a run as he's put some solid weeks together back at Casey and his run will be well needed.

As for the outs as we know Frawley is foced. Bail although nt terrible on the weekend just has a lack of polish and losses out with Sylvia coming back and Evans having shown more then Bail over the previous week. Matt Jones I think is just starting to show the signs of the rigours of his first AFL season. I'd make him the designated non playing emergency this week leading into the bye to allow him 2 weeks to freshen up. I'd also do the same with both of Tom McDonald and Shannon Byrnes who are in line to return from injury this week. Give them the extra week heading into the bye to make sure they're cherry ripe to go for the 2nd half of the season.

I know some people have also called for Fitzpatrick to be dropped and he was far from impressive on the weekend, but I want to see him given a few games ina row to see what he can do. He keeps coming in for 1 game and then out the following week. Give him this game and the Saints game and if still no good then he can be Gawn for Gawn and will probably be Gawn at seasons end also.

  On 04/06/2013 at 02:35, pm24 said:

Those wanting Couch to play, the club can't play him even if they wanted to. Magner has already been promoted due to the long-term injury to Grimes. There's no other spot open for a rookie to be promoted to the senior list.

For me, Sylvia comes straight back in, and if Sylvia has improved his defensive efforts, as was suggested in the VFL report, he can come in to provide some run and carry on the wing.

If we bring Sylvia back in, then Magner doesn't need to come back in my mind. Sylvia can come in for Bail I reckon.

Jamar should also stay, because we've been more competitive in the clearances with him palming the ball down.

With Frawley out, I think Sellar is the logical choice to come in purely to matchup with Cloke. He's a bigger body, and I don't think it would be smart to bring Davis in for that match-up.

So I reckon:

Ins: Sylvia, Sellar, Blease.

Outs: Frawley (Inj), Bail, M Jones (might need the rest)

I would put Sylvia in the middle. Blease in the half forward line, and Sellar at full back to take Cloke.

Great minds pm!

OUT: Frawley, Bail,

IN: Sylvia, Blease

Tom McDonald should come back in via VFL.

Gawn is a possibility - we may need two ruckmen to combat Jolly.

I would love to see Taggert get a run but it won't happen yet.

We might need Sellar to help as third man up against Cloke, helping out Pedersen.

Out: Frawley, Bail, Matt Jones

In: Sellar, Blease, Taggert

I am amazed that people are calling for Fitzy or Joel Mac to be dropped. Someone also mentioned Rodan getting dropped because "he won't be there when we are playing finals". FMD, half the team won't be there by the time we're ready to play finals.

Sylvia's suspension came at a time when we needed him the most, and was due to a dog act. He does not deserve an instant recall, and should regain his spot through the reserves.

  On 04/06/2013 at 03:58, billy2803 said:

Sylvia's suspension came at a time when we needed him the most, and was due to a dog act. He does not deserve an instant recall, and should regain his spot through the reserves.

You think Hawthorn or Sydney would send their second best mid back through the ressies? Please.

  On 04/06/2013 at 04:04, The Yarra said:

You think Hawthorn or Sydney would send their second best mid back through the ressies? Please.

How about you back it up with a list of their players who have been suspended this year, what their charge was, their sentence, and where they played their first week back.

Carlton fined Waite for getting a 1 week suspension as they believed he was the difference between winning or losing against St Kilda, the difference being a potential spot in the 8. We are a long way from that.

  On 04/06/2013 at 03:29, Bedraggled Dee said:

In Sylvia, Magna, Macdonald, Byrnes

Out Bail, Frawley and Mackenzie

...

I like the outside the square thinking. Four Ins and three Outs. Should help even things up...but probably still won't be enough.

Not sure there'll be wholesale changes, would be good for a bit of stability to stick fat, as far as possible.

Sylvia in for ... Tapscott or Bail, Tom MacD in for Frawley. Not sure having both Sellar and Pedersen in is a great idea, and feel that Pedersen has earned a bit of a run at it after a few more than decent performances at Casey.

Blease I think they'll give another week at Casey - though he may well be named on the extended list.

  On 02/06/2013 at 09:37, RalphiusMaximus said:

Minimal changes. I say again, bring in Magner for Bail. If Sylvia is ready to go then maybe he can have the Bail spot instead. Nothing else needs to be changed.

Totally agree on minimising the changes. We need to start solidifying the line up. The effort against Hawthorn was good. We just weren't good enough.

Maxy MUST come back in

Look at these stats from Casey

Max Gawn 11 kicks 4 handballs 15 disposals 9 marks 1 tackle 35 hit outs 4 goals 3 behinds

in -

Sylvia, Blease, Magner, Gawn

  On 04/06/2013 at 21:56, Bring Back Barassi said:

Maxy MUST come back in

Look at these stats from Casey

Max Gawn 11 kicks 4 handballs 15 disposals 9 marks 1 tackle 35 hit outs 4 goals 3 behinds

Yeah, Gawn is the tough one. I don't think he should come in as first ruck though, and it's obvious that he's been playing more as a key forward than a ruck, so to me you don't bring him in for Jamar. Fitzpatrick should get more time. Yeah he wasn't great, but he brought the ball to ground a couple of times, and was good at getting into space on the lead. He deserves a few more games. He certainly showed more than he has previously.

Given Fitzpatrick would be the other obvious swap for Gawn, I think Gawn stays at Casey for another week, just to give Fitzpatrick some more time.

However, the future is exciting thinking about what Gawn could become.

  On 04/06/2013 at 22:55, pm24 said:

Fitzpatrick should get more time. Yeah he wasn't great, but he brought the ball to ground a couple of times, and was good at getting into space on the lead. He deserves a few more games. He certainly showed more than he has previously.

Is that a nice way to say he fumbled his marks ?

In Gawn... purely because of all the byes my dreamteam is in shatters and I need Gawn to play

  On 04/06/2013 at 23:20, Bring Back Barassi said:

Is that a nice way to say he fumbled his marks ?

And Gawn has marked everything that has come his way has he??? Give the kid a break. Even experienced players drop marks.

My changes would be

Sellar in for Frawley

Silvia in for Bail

Byrnes in if M Jones needs a rest

Does anyone think we are a realistic chance against the bye following the Magpies game?

Davis for Frawley

Sylvia for Bail

  On 05/06/2013 at 00:18, FairBump PlayOn said:

Does anyone think we are a realistic chance against the bye following the Magpies game?

yes

  On 04/06/2013 at 23:41, pm24 said:

And Gawn has marked everything that has come his way has he??? Give the kid a break. Even experienced players drop marks.

Particularly Pedersen...

Bail will be retained. Not neccesarily a decision I agree with but if you go back and have a look at our better ball movements - Bail gets involved. Whilst he does make blunders in posession, his spread from the contest makes him a handy outside link up player.

I'm all for getting development into those who will feature beyond 13 so it's Sylvia, Davis & Nicholson for McKenzie, Dunn & Rodan.

  On 05/06/2013 at 02:03, The Yarra said:

Bail will be retained. Not neccesarily a decision I agree with but if you go back and have a look at our better ball movements - Bail gets involved. Whilst he does make blunders in posession, his spread from the contest makes him a handy outside link up player.

I'm all for getting development into those who will feature beyond 13 so it's Sylvia, Davis & Nicholson for McKenzie, Dunn & Rodan.

McKenzie, Dunn and Rodan are just as likely as those other 3 to feature beyond 13! Sylvia could leave and I've seen nothing from Davis or Nicholson to suggest they aren't VFL players. Rodan of course we probably don't need but McKenzie will stay and I think Dunn can at least dominate VFL and show something at AFL. McKenzie is actually an important player to this team because he sets the bar for defensive work rate for these midfielders. Until others eclipse him he gets a spot and that could take quite a few years.

I did notice Bail involved in play early but it seemed after that he resorted to getting nowhere near it and butchering the ball. A particular sideways kick at half back was a killer.