Monday night talk

[pitmaster 3,513]

For those who couldn't or wouldn't see it all my take on OTC and FC.

IF Board meeting next week decides it is financially feasible to replace Neeld;

AND IF there is no discernible improvement before the bye

he will be let go.

IF he remains players (read Watts) will walk.

G Healy actually gives a rats' about MFC.

The team has the nucleus - about 12 players - that potentially gives us a strong future.

P Jackson to become CEO at the end of his six months.

Asked if Neeld should go G Lyon said not necessarily but he could understand why people would want it done.

I'd have preferred MN get the chance to coach against some of the other strugglers with Clarke and Dawes on board. Looks like that won't happen.

[What 18,810]

P Jackson to become CEO at the end of his six months.

this a rumour or confirmed?

[DemonFrog 1,354]

I am prepared to donate something towards replacing Neeld!

It is frustrating being a MFC supporter and seeing the floggings it is contantly getting with no real solutions being offered other then wait and see the players get more experience. Well losing is like a virus, it hard to get rid of once it become established.

Who set the MFC up with a totally inexperienced players list with very few senior players to teach and mentor the younger/inexperienced players?

What is needed at the MFC is a Coach that most supports can respect and show their support to, is that really too much to ask for?

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

For those who couldn't or wouldn't see it all my take on OTC and FC.

IF Board meeting next week decides it is financially feasible to replace Neeld;

AND IF there is no discernible improvement before the bye

he will be let go.

IF he remains players (read Watts) will walk.

G Healy actually gives a rats' about MFC.

The team has the nucleus - about 12 players - that potentially gives us a strong future.

P Jackson to become CEO at the end of his six months.

Asked if Neeld should go G Lyon said not necessarily but he could understand why people would want it done.

I'd have preferred MN get the chance to coach against some of the other strugglers with Clarke and Dawes on board. Looks like that won't happen.

The talk on Jackson was that his interim CEO role would extend beyond the six months. And that a prospect that was canvassed on DLand for some weeks.

[praha 11,236]

Firstly, don't EVER, EVER believe a single thing that comes out of Lyon's mouth. I can't wait for the day that it comes out how he crippled this club financially back at the end of the 90s by being given a contract despite both he and the club knowing he'll never play again. Schwab, Stynes, Lyon, the "boys club" that have actually crippled this club.

Secondly, Jackson staying on as CEO is a given. At this stage it was always just a "go in and check it out" mentality as you can't expect a CEO to just magically fit into the role without having a pre-season to understand the functions of the club. It would be like a CEO joining a company at the end of a financial year, or a day before an AGM.

Thirdly, there is no possible way Neeld survives beyond the bye. What I am worried about, however, is that 10-12 goal losses against the Pies and Hawks will be seen as "improvement", as the Blues, Tigers matches were.

Once again it appears as though the club is relying on loses to determine its future.

What a rabble.

Edited May 27, 2013 by Cudi_420

[DeeZee 7,363]

Gerard Healy has never done a thing for this football club, he is a Swans man through and through.

[GM11 776]

I am prepared to donate something towards replacing Neeld!

It is frustrating being a MFC supporter and seeing the floggings it is contantly getting with no real solutions being offered other then wait and see the players get more experience. Well losing is like a virus, it hard to get rid of once it become established.

Who set the MFC up with a totally inexperienced players list with very few senior players to teach and mentor the younger/inexperienced players?

What is needed at the MFC is a Coach that most supports can respect and show their support to, is that really too much to ask for?

Dean Bailey

[Guest cpfc]

Dean Bailey

It was actually Bailey who continually wanted to keep getting games into the kids, trouble is we offload them too quickly and continue to play spuds.

[rufus 1,162]

Firstly, don't EVER, EVER believe a single thing that comes out of Lyon's mouth. I can't wait for the day that it comes out how he crippled this club financially back at the end of the 90s by being given a contract despite both he and the club knowing he'll never play again. Schwab, Stynes, Lyon, the "boys club" that have actually crippled this club.

Secondly, Jackson staying on as CEO is a given. At this stage it was always just a "go in and check it out" mentality as you can't expect a CEO to just magically fit into the role without having a pre-season to understand the functions of the club. It would be like a CEO joining a company at the end of a financial year, or a day before an AGM.

Thirdly, there is no possible way Neeld survives beyond the bye. What I am worried about, however, is that 10-12 goal losses against the Pies and Hawks will be seen as "improvement", as the Blues, Tigers matches were.

Once again it appears as though the club is relying on loses to determine its future.

What a rabble.

My genuine concern is that it won't be 10-12 goals this weekend, it will be 25+. It surely seems clear the message is not going through to the players, neither on a motivational level nor on a tactical level. Whilst a loss like this will surely see the end of Neeld, do we really need to do more damage to our players and supporters by putting them through that?

If Neeld must coach this weekend, he has to be told to change his approach. We can't be expected to turn up to watch the slaughter that will occur if our players are told to 'guard space' against an efficient kicking team.

It really doesn't have to be like this. It is garbage. With proper instruction and motivation our list is capable of competitive performances. I know the club is in a hard spot on this one, and I can understand with the recent admin changes that they want to be seen to act reasonably and give the coach a chance to show improvement, but if a decision has been made on this bloke (and given the opposition we are facing in the coming weeks) perhaps for everyone's sake we should just make the change now.

[DemonWA 3,929]

It was actually Bailey who continually wanted to keep getting games into the kids, trouble is we offload them too quickly and continue to play spuds.

hey cpfc, are you like the Bizarro World version of rpfc?

[rpfc 28,262]

hey cpfc, are you like the Bizarro World version of rpfc?

I wondering that myself...

Smells like Range Rover-type nonsense...

And I am afraid the floggings will continue post Neeld.

Just a warning.

[Guest cpfc]

I wondering that myself...

Smells like Range Rover-type nonsense...

And I am afraid the floggings will continue post Neeld.

Just a warning.

Nothing to do with range rover. It's the name of my business. Yes the floggings will continue however a fresh mind after the bye with perhaps Viney I'd say and a decent run home should steady the ship.

[DemonWA 3,929]

I wondering that myself...

Smells like Range Rover-type nonsense...

And I am afraid the floggings will continue post Neeld.

Just a warning.

Agreed, thought it might have been Range Rover.

And the floggings will continue, but i feel any change of coach would be as much about satisfying the disgruntled playing group and members.

Things cant get any worse on field IMO

[rpfc 28,262]

Nothing to do with range rover. It's the name of my business. Yes the floggings will continue however a fresh mind after the bye with perhaps Viney I'd say and a decent run home should steady the ship.

What do you sell?

False hope?

Cause that is what those last 12 words amount to.

[titan_uranus 24,974]

IF he remains players (read Watts) will walk.

What do you mean by this?

Is there any source for this? If so, what is the argument - that players will walk mid-season? At end of year?

[Guest cpfc]

What do you sell?

False hope?

Cause that is what those last 12 words amount to.

Well you propose something better then...

Hope is better than nothing to hope for!

[rpfc 28,262]

Well you propose something better then...

Hope is better than nothing to hope for!

Hope outside of reality is pointless.

We can get better, it is not the 5 years of wilderness that most took Neeld to mean - we can rebound quickly into mid table mediocrity but it will not happen under a caretaker and it will not happen this season.

We are in for more pain and hopefully this Spring/Summer brings us an established coach, some key re-signings, some key signings, and some instilled confidence.

And there is your hope.

[DemonWA 3,929]

Hope outside of reality is pointless.

We can get better, it is not the 5 years of wilderness that most took Neeld to mean - we can rebound quickly into mid table mediocrity but it will not happen under a caretaker and it will not happen this season.

We are in for more pain and hopefully this Spring/Summer brings us an established coach, some key re-signings, some key signings, and some instilled confidence.

And there is your hope.

Well you propose something better then...

Hope is better than nothing to hope for!

[Guest cpfc]

Hope outside of reality is pointless.

We can get better, it is not the 5 years of wilderness that most took Neeld to mean - we can rebound quickly into mid table mediocrity but it will not happen under a caretaker and it will not happen this season.

We are in for more pain and hopefully this Spring/Summer brings us an established coach, some key re-signings, some key signings, and some instilled confidence.

And there is your hope.

Absolutely agree. Key signings are the key, we may have to give up a bit to get a bit, lets say Watts & someone for a high pick (just an example). I still believe we are only 3-4 good midfielders away from competitiveness.

An established coach will be a tricky one wont it. I cant see Clarkson leaving Hawks or Worsfold leaving WCE. Our best chances would be Williams, Ratten, Ayers, Laidley... the last two slim pickings. Cant really think of anyone else that would be "willing" to coach us.

Melbourne have scored 100 points or more in 6 of their last 36 matches, 3 of those were in Vineys 5 game stint as caretaker, I don't think it would be as bad as you think.

[jnrmac 20,055]

It was actually Bailey who continually wanted to keep getting games into the kids, trouble is we offload them too quickly and continue to play spuds.

Because you gift 72 games to a spud like Cale Morton and all of a sudden he becomes Superman when he ticks over the 100 game mark.

FMD I used to scream at that and the "post of the century" on the 'other' supporter site. Its insane to think that games into players by itself is what separates a good team from a bad team.

[Guest cpfc]

Because you gift 72 games to a spud like Cale Morton and all of a sudden he becomes Superman when he ticks over the 100 game mark.

FMD I used to scream at that and the "post of the century" on the 'other' supporter site. Its insane to think that games into players by itself is what separates a good team from a bad team.

There are exceptions....

[Deemotivated 550]

Absolutely agree. Key signings are the key, we may have to give up a bit to get a bit, lets say Watts & someone for a high pick (just an example). I still believe we are only 3-4 good midfielders away from competitiveness.

An established coach will be a tricky one wont it. I cant see Clarkson leaving Hawks or Worsfold leaving WCE. Our best chances would be Williams, Ratten, Ayers, Laidley... the last two slim pickings. Cant really think of anyone else that would be "willing" to coach us.

Melbourne have scored 100 points or more in 6 of their last 36 matches, 3 of those were in Vineys 5 game stint as caretaker, I don't think it would be as bad as you think.

We absolutely must sign all of frawley, watts, sylvia. If we cant then we trade this year abd go hard ball. We also need commitment from guys coming out of contract next year.

A new coach IS required. A leader of men, a coach that has the ability to get the respect of the players so they play for him and each other, someone that can nurture talent.

I like Williams out of the available experienced coaches... Though anyone is available given the right contract and circumstances so we should talking to who we want not just those that are available.

If neeld stays players walk and there is zero chance of a FA coming to Melbourne so then we are significantly worse off than now.

[rpfc 28,262]

There are exceptions....

So, Gysberts was spurned too soon?

And who else?

It's a convenient excuse for our issues: 'it's not that they weren't good enough, they weren't given enough games!'

It reminds me of the poster that was convinced that Michael Newton was our FF of the next ten years.

When it comes to those kids we drafted that got delisted/traded:

[The Chazz 4,077]

We absolutely must sign all of frawley, watts, sylvia. If we cant then we trade this year abd go hard ball. We also need commitment from guys coming out of contract next year.

A new coach IS required. A leader of men, a coach that has the ability to get the respect of the players so they play for him and each other, someone that can nurture talent.

I like Williams out of the available experienced coaches... Though anyone is available given the right contract and circumstances so we should talking to who we want not just those that are available.

If neeld stays players walk and there is zero chance of a FA coming to Melbourne so then we are significantly worse off than now.

Love the bit about going after who "we want". Reckon it's great, and I'd like to think PJ would have his list (if this is the avenue he goes down).

On the other hand, I don't agree with your last sentence. The open opinion of Dawes' is very interesting, and I think it's quite easy to read between the lines. He has come from a recent premiership winning club, so he knows what it takes to have a winning culture. If what he is seeing from certain players is not what he has experienced with successful teams, then I'm all for those players pi$$ing off. If he believes what Neeld is putting in place is what should be expected from professional units, then attracting a FA may not be as difficult as we would first think. It's a matter of selling them what the Melbourne of "old" was like, and what the Melbourne of "new" will look like, it could ease the concerns that some of the FAs may have about coming to us.

[Pirlo 813]

Firstly, don't EVER, EVER believe a single thing that comes out of Lyon's mouth. I can't wait for the day that it comes out how he crippled this club financially back at the end of the 90s by being given a contract despite both he and the club knowing he'll never play again. Schwab, Stynes, Lyon, the "boys club" that have actually crippled this club.

Secondly, Jackson staying on as CEO is a given. At this stage it was always just a "go in and check it out" mentality as you can't expect a CEO to just magically fit into the role without having a pre-season to understand the functions of the club. It would be like a CEO joining a company at the end of a financial year, or a day before an AGM.

Thirdly, there is no possible way Neeld survives beyond the bye. What I am worried about, however, is that 10-12 goal losses against the Pies and Hawks will be seen as "improvement", as the Blues, Tigers matches were.

Once again it appears as though the club is relying on loses to determine its future.

What a rabble.

Stynes, the one who got us 5m out of debt?

Along with you and I, of course.

His illness and retraction from the every day workings of the club were the reasons we started going down hill.

Edited May 28, 2013 by HFF