My point is.....& by the way a 15 yr member!

Why would anyone want to come our club eg player...coaches

Maybe read the back pages today...I must have missed something?

Opportunity= the chance to build a down and out club back to something great. Both Sheedy and Eade wanted this.

What's Sunrise like these days Ron?

Dunno. You tell me.

Best post I've read in a long time.

Love me love my dog?

Afgans?

What's the relevance here please biffo? What's the problem or issue listening to the Hawks supporter?

Dunno. You tell me.

ONly joking! Tuned in about a year ago. Seemed a little plastic to me. Only gave it ten seconds or so. If I tune into anything morning time usually RED followed by Faine...just in the background.

Yeah lets all watch the club get into another 3-5 mill black hole!

It may not be war, but in a football context, it kind of is in my view. This is a tumultuous period, the likes of which I've certainly never seen at any club. There will be deserters, but for those who bunker down to be able to say they saw the club through this period, the rewards could be all the sweeter.

Well ones things for certain we wil be writing a large check to the mCC toomorrw

Dead set, some of the reactionary hyperbole that some people are beginning to post here is becoming comical.

nice posturing Ron - you look real cool!

(Because it's certainly not any critique, is it? If you have something specific to say about something specific someone else said, then say it. Although preferably not by analogy or whatever that was, in admiring terms of something from a stupid war we lost.) Well, dump on me, I deserve it - but it's about as productive and pertinent as your post...

I agree if we cant get real leaders at our club mainly off field we are looking at becoming Fitzroy or south melbourne. I always try to see the positives but at the moment there is nothing to be positive about. We will be lucky to get 10000 at the mcg tomorrow.

Who?? nah just kidding but seriously the days/memory of 'Fitzroy' and 'South Melbourne' are extinct to today's younger generations. I don't want Melbourne to vanish into unread History books.

A mate of mine wrote a message some years ago and its core stays with me still.

He said that the club is yours. It is not the players, or the administrators or the boards'. It is yours. And you - the supporter - mark with your unconditional support for the club - a continuation of 155 years of the existence of this remarkable creation. WE form the fabric of the club, though we may not feel it or know it.

IT IS US, FOR [censored]'S SAKE.

So when I take my kids tomorrow (why, jesus, why?), and I sit with my dad, my brothers and their children, I am at MY club, with my family and that I will support despite their fault and failings. Players come and go. Officials come and go. The supporters are the club - we are the permanent feature - renewed our kids and grandkids in perpetuity.

So when I am disappointed, feel helpless, feel utterly furious, I try to remember this.

Am my favorite stanzs of my favorite poem:

Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,--
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

Good post, Tim. Less trite and cliched than it was in Skyfall.

Petterd(starring at Tigers)

11 possessions? By that standard, even we have a team of stars ...

A mate of mine wrote a message some years ago and its core stays with me still.

He said that the club is yours. It is not the players, or the administrators or the boards'. It is yours. And you - the supporter - mark with your unconditional support for the club - a continuation of 155 years of the existence of this remarkable creation. WE form the fabric of the club, though we may not feel it or know it.

IT IS US, FOR [censored]'S SAKE.

So when I take my kids tomorrow (why, jesus, why?), and I sit with my dad, my brothers and their children, I am at MY club, with my family and that I will support despite their fault and failings. Players come and go. Officials come and go. The supporters are the club - we are the permanent feature - renewed our kids and grandkids in perpetuity.

So when I am disappointed, feel helpless, feel utterly furious, I try to remember this.

Am my favorite stanzs of my favorite poem:

Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'

We are not now that strength which in old days

Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,--

One equal temper of heroic hearts,

Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

They don't have my unconditional support.

I know I'm in the minority.

I certainly don't think many of the more irrational posts are helpful, but where emotion is involved sometimes that is what you get. More worrying would be if there was no reaction. Then we are dead as a club, because no-one cares.

11 possessions? By that standard, even we have a team of stars ...

watched the game Petterd made all the same mistakes he made at mefc in partiular brain fades and poor disposal skills

No loss to us

I wasn't sure where to put this, but it's not a bad article that starts highlighting the aspect of our player welfare.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/demons-hard-line-philosophy-under-scrutiny-after-disastrous-start-to-season-2013/story-e6frf9mf-1226625098231

Edited April 20, 201312 yr by Ben-Hur

The lads will have my unconditional support this arvo. I plonked $200.00 on us for the "fulltime/ halftime" double.

I wasn't sure where to put this, but it's not a bad article that starts highlighting the aspect of our player welfare.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/demons-hard-line-philosophy-under-scrutiny-after-disastrous-start-to-season-2013/story-e6frf9mf-1226625098231

The article says it all and I do fear that wanted players will walk. Why would kids like Watts, Frawley, Tynan etc put up with this crap.

Good post, Tim. Less trite and cliched than it was in Skyfall.

Haven't seen it.

I wasn't sure where to put this, but it's not a bad article that starts highlighting the aspect of our player welfare.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/demons-hard-line-philosophy-under-scrutiny-after-disastrous-start-to-season-2013/story-e6frf9mf-1226625098231

That is a pretty unsettling read.

Neeld did himself no favours when saying we are at the same level of development as GWS.

Edited April 21, 201312 yr by P_Man

The lads will have my unconditional support this arvo. I plonked $200.00 on us for the "fulltime/ halftime" double.

My sort of tragic, been losing bets for the last x years

The lads will have my unconditional support this arvo. I plonked $200.00 on us for the "fulltime/ halftime" double.

oh no