I wish Offsiders on the ABC was an hour long program because the articulate, intelligent and reasonable Gerard Whateley was taking it up to Caroline Wilson with reason and logic.

I will need to watch it again, but interestingly Wilson has again changed her tune since Friday saying the fine would likely be "watered down" and wasn't as assured as her article suggested on Friday.

EDIT: It will be on iView on the ABC website later, worth a watch.

Edited February 16, 201312 yr by Clint Bizkit

I wish Offsiders on the ABC was an hour long program because the articulate, intelligent and reasonable Gerard Whateley was taking it up to Caroline Wilson with reason and logic.

I will need to watch it again, but interestingly Wilson has again changed her tune since Friday saying the fine would likely be "watered down" and wasn't as assured as her article suggested on Friday.

Missed it - will it be on iView?

Niall says this:

What is the 'significant evidence?'

CW has always alluded to it and here Niall does the same.

If it is so 'significant' - please tell us what it is, because I haven't heard the significant evidence, all I have heard is a joke about zulus, some ex-employees claiming they take the threat of Zulus seriously, Schwab's 'ashen face,' and the killer evidence of the general footy public 'knew what they were doing.'

Apparently and I stand to be corrected if the whole report is ever released and proves this to be wrong, but from what I have heard, the most damning bit of evidence in the whole report, is the Connolly statement, which he and Bailey have described as a joke. Bailey also said he never acted on it. Again there is no evidence of actual tanking or match fixing. No wonder the lawyers want us let off or head to Court.

Obviously only poster boys for poster clubs like Roos at Sydney can make jokes in the AFL.

I think the AFL needs to stand up and stop this now and say, extensive investigation, no proof no charges, we are sorry to the MFC for the damage this has done. Think I saw a pig fly past that fairy at the bottom of my garden.

Missed it - will it be on iView?

should be on by now.

Great article by Jake Niall. It perfectly sums up events for me. He's the best journalist in town, imo.

Definition; Good Journalist - Someone who agrees with my opinion.

it's not a rollover.

This case needs a courtroom to sort it ALL out.

No it doesn't. It needs, as Eddie has said, that the AFL calls it a nil all draw and drops the case. As he said, we didn't gain what others did, for doing the same and they aren't even being investigated, even though everyone knows what went on.

Unfortunately for the AFL this is not about justice but about face saving.

I can't wait to see what the charges are, they interest me far more than the penalty.

I wish Offsiders on the ABC was an hour long program because the articulate, intelligent and reasonable Gerard Whateley was taking it up to Caroline Wilson with reason and logic.

I will need to watch it again, but interestingly Wilson has again changed her tune since Friday saying the fine would likely be "watered down" and wasn't as assured as her article suggested on Friday.

EDIT: It will be on iView on the ABC website later, worth a watch.

Can you link it on here for people like me that are computer illiterate.

not there yet

look out for on this link

Can you link it on here for people like me that are computer illiterate.

I imagine it will appear here once uploaded.

I imagine it will appear here once uploaded.

Thanks Clint.

No it doesn't. It needs, as Eddie has said, that the AFL calls it a nil all draw and drops the case. As he said, we didn't gain what others did, for doing the same and they aren't even being investigated, even though everyone knows what went on.

Unfortunately for the AFL this is not about justice but about face saving.

I can't wait to see what the charges are, they interest me far more than the penalty.

i agree Red, but the AFL won't back down. If they do it is a miracle.

So i have always believed it will end in court.

The other thread is now Whispering Jacks personal column which is fairly disappointing.

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I have had some blues with Curry and Beer ,Stuie ,Ben Hur and others but I think we have all been big enough to move on.

The warnings, the selective bans, the CoC referrals ,the reminders of libel laws etc are a bit much when we all write under aliases and can be considered a special interest(nearly special needs) group.

Mods and stalwarts , I suggest we actually begin to enjoy our football a bit more and lighten up .

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The double standards on here are glaring and damning upon those who maintain them.

Whispering Vlad is completely unwilling to accept that they even exist, kind of like his name sake and 'Tanking'. Maybe in a couple of years he'll come 'round and announce an investigation into the personal vendettas some mods have over posters? Or he'll take interest in the protection rackets that look after others who sprout violence and racism only to be banned for a mere month!

Oh I know the chorus will come: "The mods do such an amazing job, with little or no acknowledgement whatsoever'. This may, in part, be true. But there is a reason that this entire forum runs off the back of 30 to 40 obsessive posters and new comers with questions and opinions outside the norm are bullied into submission or banned for long periods of time for insignificant indiscretions. That is because this place is being run like Melbourne was in 2009 and Essendon was in 2012, its a boys club, all else need not apply.

Blah blah blah

Zzzzz

Among other things, Whateley said that there was another club (Carlton) whose tactics were very close to if not worse than Melbourne's.

He then asked where the AFL investigation into tanking concerns was at this time. Wilson replied 'their heads were in the sand'.

Since Wilson then acknowledges this, it's strange that her attack has been solely directed at Melbourne over the past three months.

What would you do?

Fair enough WJ, it's just frustrating...

The Article in the HS was right about te music stopping when it got to our turn.

Zzzzz

As insightful and articulate a response as one normally receives from a 'Life' member. Good for you stinga, just keep having the same conversations with all your virtual mates on here and tell yourself that life is good.

Just wait for my above post criticising the Demonland status-quo to be removed and deemed "off-topic". I'm just waiting for Rhino to slap another warning on me and to tell me that Whispering Vlad is 'very unhappy with me" for publicly questioning how this place operates. The fact is that criticism of Demonland is all deemed Off Topic.

This ended up really weird after I clicked through a few related videos and then reread "This happened behind the scenes of Footy Classified" while watching the Best of Quagmire.

Well that sound like a very sticky situation.

I wish Offsiders on the ABC was an hour long program because the articulate, intelligent and reasonable Gerard Whateley was taking it up to Caroline Wilson with reason and logic.

I will need to watch it again, but interestingly Wilson has again changed her tune since Friday saying the fine would likely be "watered down" and wasn't as assured as her article suggested on Friday.

EDIT: It will be on iView on the ABC website later, worth a watch.

Will also be on ABC 24 at 2:30 this arvo according to guide.

(NB: I'll be watching for Gerard's views, not Carowhine's)

Fair enough WJ, it's just frustrating...

The Article in the HS was right about te music stopping when it got to our turn.

You said that Niall's article "perfectly sums up events" for you. However, what he was doing was much more than summing up events. He was in fact, providing his opinion which lamentably backs up that expressed umpteen times before by Wilson and others at this lamentable newspaper which gives little or no opportunity for alternative viewpoints that question those of its own apparatchiks. You call that good journalism, I call it utter garbage.

Furthermore, I don't need any eyes at all to see through your baloney.

Waffle.

With which part do you disagree ?

The double standards on here are glaring and damning upon those who maintain them.

Whispering Vlad is completely unwilling to accept that they even exist, kind of like his name sake and 'Tanking'. Maybe in a couple of years he'll come 'round and announce an investigation into the personal vendettas some mods have over posters? Or he'll take interest in the protection rackets that look after others who sprout violence and racism only to be banned for a mere month!

Oh I know the chorus will come: "The mods do such an amazing job, with little or no acknowledgement whatsoever'. This may, in part, be true. But there is a reason that this entire forum runs off the back of 30 to 40 obsessive posters and new comers with questions and opinions outside the norm are bullied into submission or banned for long periods of time for insignificant indiscretions. That is because this place is being run like Melbourne was in 2009 and Essendon was in 2012, its a boys club, all else need not apply.

what are your views on the "Tanking" issue Toast?

As insightful and articulate a response as one normally receives from a 'Life' member. Good for you stinga, just keep having the same conversations with all your virtual mates on here and tell yourself that life is good.

Just wait for my above post criticising the Demonland status-quo to be removed and deemed "off-topic". I'm just waiting for Rhino to slap another warning on me and to tell me that Whispering Vlad is 'very unhappy with me" for publicly questioning how this place operates. The fact is that criticism of Demonland is all deemed Off Topic.

I agree that wasn't particularly insightful but I simply found your post very boring.

I have been on the end of moderation I didn't agree with being banned by RR for suggesting CS may have turned Kero down for a date. I thought it was harmless and a ban without warning was way over the top and so I took it up with the site owner who was more than reasonable and reinstated me. They won't always get it right but for the most part I think they do a great job. There are of course other forums which are less moderated with a greater divergence of views that you might find meet your needs better.

As for being a life member, as an interstate follower I really appreciate the training reports etc. we get over the summer to see how things are progressing so I was more that happy to pay the small on off fee to contribute to the running of the site which in turn made me a life member rather than simply being complicit in any views expressed here. I am sure you would be listened to if you were able to summons up a little more substance to your posts.

I always felt that this incident didn't get enough exposure, the "joking" excuse was used here and accepted.

EDIT: More here.

Me too Clint. It was well known before that match that the Swans were not interested in the pre season comp and made sure that they lost that match. That is the definition of bringing the game into disrepute. Still the Swans are an AFL love child, so no case to answer.

As insightful and articulate a response as one normally receives from a 'Life' member. Good for you stinga, just keep having the same conversations with all your virtual mates on here and tell yourself that life is good.

Just wait for my above post criticising the Demonland status-quo to be removed and deemed "off-topic". I'm just waiting for Rhino to slap another warning on me and to tell me that Whispering Vlad is 'very unhappy with me" for publicly questioning how this place operates. The fact is that criticism of Demonland is all deemed Off Topic.

Toast,

I wouldn't even think of censoring you for the above comments, boorish as they may be. This is a forum and if you want to make a monkey out of yourself, you're free to do so.

But if you try using the same coarse language as those who we have had to give a holiday to recently, you'll find that unlike the AFL we're pretty consistent in dealing with those who break our rules.

Now please get on with the matters at hand.

Waffle.

With which part do you disagree ?

You've failed to comprehend my post so your question is moot.