On 28/12/2012 at 11:04, JumpinJeremyHowe said:

Snooze.... Can't believe this thread has 240 plus replies. If it happened during the season, it wouldn't have registered a paragraph in the papers!

You should change your name to Rumplstiltskin. Where have you been? Anything remotely to do with players and booze would get an airing on, about, pages 1 to 3 and half the sports section. Go back to your "snooze".

No it wouldn't. Don't put mayo on your burger to suit your story! 3 pages? Half a sports section? Haha please...

Your embarrassing yourself mate.

BTW Jumpin - I meant to say Rip Van Winkle. When you spend as much time in fairyland as I do , it's easy to get confused.

  dee-luded said:

Cut off Samsons hair & weaken his armoury.

Try to take the character & spirit from the boy/man & kill off his creativeness & mojo, & turn him into an uninspired robot servant... does this seem at all familiar from the robots we've had playing for 10 years or so?

These things are linked to a persons personality & character, & they're personal culture. the things that make they're hair bristle up they're spines... emotion & pride, thats what drives us to superhuman efforts.

Quell those things and you end up with a bunch of, well what we had.

I know I've been banging on about the damage the "demon drink" can do to a training program, but I do agree with your sentiments here. I don't think Jumpin Jeremy would ever be an "uninspired robot servant", or that Chippa would be as good as he is fending off the bully boys on other teams forward lines if he wasn't a bit agro at times.These guys and Dunny are what they are.

But control those qualities in a proper way and then we'll see those "super human efforts" that have been missing from so many of our team in the last few (or is it nearly 50) years.

It's not about punishing these guys. It's more an opportunity to teach them a lesson.

Handled the right way by Neeld and co, a lot of good will come out of this.

  On 28/12/2012 at 10:25, McQueen said:

My wife's a dietitian and she reminds me all the time how much exercise it will take to burn off the beers I've had over the weekend. It's quite a bit regardless of how fit you might be. Bing was making that assertion with the best intentions.

But seriously mate you need to get over yourself a bit. I appreciate your experience but your chest beating is getting a little tiresome.

Just trying to back my opinion with facts from what I've observed and can be measured, wasn't stating that I had anything like those levels of fitness. If its chest beating to talk about experience well then blow me down I'm a hairy arsed gorilla, I've seen a lot of people stuff up on the grog after being under real pressure, including some people I consider decent and upright in every important way, that's why I mention Somalia. Am sick of people slagging these players with very little evidence and I'm saying BS because I think a lot of the opinion posts are based on little real life experience on what was a minor incident. The reason I have posted extensively on this subject is because I think the forum has been too harsh and I feel like defending the players on the evidence presented to date.

As for your wife go for it, lets hear what she says about a big day out on mid strength beer against the backdrop of their training environment and regular diet, I'd say a dietician is a subject matter expert do some chest beating of your own. Personally I think your fitness (and mine) are probably much more susceptible to beer than the players.

  Bitter but optimistic said:

Do you run chook raffles at your nunnery?

He tried .......... but the nuns weren't interested in the prize. They all said that McLean could go to hell.

  On 28/12/2012 at 08:29, old dee said:

Bing I am so tired of this attitude that a football team has to be a team of guys who are beyond reproach.

Quite a few of the teams that have won flags over the last ten years have had some ordinary human members.

I do not care what they do on Boxing day.

Just win bloody games.

Winning games and ultimately flags has nothing to do with making an ar$e of yourself in public.

  On 28/12/2012 at 10:10, dee-luded said:

Try to take the character & spirit from the boy/man & kill off his creativeness & mojo, & turn him into an uninspired robot servant... does this seem at all familiar from the robots we've had playing for 10 years or so?

These things are linked to a persons personality & character, & they're personal culture. the things that make they're hair bristle up they're spines... emotion & pride, thats what drives us to superhuman efforts.

Quell those things and you end up with a bunch of, well what we had.

Should we let them make beer cup snakes at closed training sessions?

So many Demonland posts suggest that the actions of the boys deserves the column lines allocated in the press. Nobody is arguing against going to the cricket in your holidays, nor having a few beers with mates. It is all about the poor judgement displayed in positioning yourself in the middle of Bay 13 where the cameras are trained to beam salacious footage around the British Commonwealth on the biggest day in the cricket calendar. The fact that they showed the immaturity to not only choose Bay 13 for a 'quiet little drink' but to get sucked in by surrounding yobbos (Collingwood supporters?) put the Club's recent improved profile back just a tad and I suspect has created a dilemma in regards to re-appointing Frawley to the leadership group (not withstanding his on-field honours in this area). It's not over yet!

Great article on MCG crowd control.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/when-a-squeeze-of-ketchup-says-behold-the-sauce-20121228-2bz4b.html

  On 28/12/2012 at 06:13, Rhino Richards said:

Can you provide that inference link? Nothing I have read here or elsewhere suggested that at all.

Further proof you don't actually know what you're on about, Rhino.

The "beer train" or "beer snake" inherently is made from indiscriminate empty cups handed in from any single person nearby in the crowd and does not stay in the hands of a select few, but travels through the crowd from person to person, held by many at once, but always changing hands, as more cups are added & it continues to grow.

It just so happens that photos were taken & published when the players were holding it, as they are "somebody".

Anybody with any idea of what was going on doesn't need a link, an inference, or a suggestion.

  On 28/12/2012 at 20:15, Rhino Richards said:

Winning games and ultimately flags has nothing to do with making an ar$e of yourself in public.

Should we let them make beer cup snakes at closed training sessions?

Rhino, whats the matter with you, R U lonely & looking for company?

Thats you worst so far, it wouldn't stand up with a cup full of Viagra.

I only visit your posts on occasion if I decide to click on your post to view it. You were coming good a couple of months back back seem to have regressed.

I'll just go back to bypassing.

  On 28/12/2012 at 20:20, CBDees said:

So many Demonland posts suggest that the actions of the boys deserves the column lines allocated in the press. Nobody is arguing against going to the cricket in your holidays, nor having a few beers with mates. It is all about the poor judgement displayed in positioning yourself in the middle of Bay 13 where the cameras are trained to beam salacious footage around the British Commonwealth on the biggest day in the cricket calendar. The fact that they showed the immaturity to not only choose Bay 13 for a 'quiet little drink' but to get sucked in by surrounding yobbos (Collingwood supporters?) put the Club's recent improved profile back just a tad and I suspect has created a dilemma in regards to re-appointing Frawley to the leadership group (not withstanding his on-field honours in this area). It's not over yet!

No its nothing to do with Bay 13. Nor having a few ales on boxing day test. If you want to have a few & be lads for a day, thats the place.

It's all about the arguing,,, and the potential physical repercussions & possible abuse. It has to stay good natured.

I don't think any of our boys except greeny & whitey could unwind in the MCC.

  On 27/12/2012 at 01:43, José Mourinho said:

Having sat in Bay 13 for the first time 2 years ago as a 27 year old, and having sat in the MCC many times before that, I was surprised by how jumpy the security guards are with a bit of harmless fun, i.e. the "beer trains" and how itchy their "trigger fingers" are for kicking someone out.

At times they are expecting trouble and quick to anticipate it, whether real or imagined.

I've witnessed blokes get hauled out for very little indeed.

I don't necessarily believe the players are innocent, and the decision to place themselves in bay 13 deserves scrutiny, but this discussion needs some balance.

For punishment they should all be made to read this thread from start to finish.

  On 29/12/2012 at 00:30, Flying Cloud said:

For punishment they should all be made to read this thread from start to finish.

sheesh that's a bit draconian!

Apparently it's been reported somewhere on twitter that they were actually in bay 9 and not the more troublesome areas of 11-14.

I'm not on twitter, but perhaps someone could confirm ?

  On 28/12/2012 at 20:35, Rhino Richards said:

Great article on MCG crowd control.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/when-a-squeeze-of-ketchup-says-behold-the-sauce-20121228-2bz4b.html

I always enjoy reading Sly's articles, excluding the relentless references to Cyril. But to use "ketchup" instead of "tomato sauce" is just wrong, even if it is to set up a joke about "on the sauce".

  On 28/12/2012 at 20:15, Rhino Richards said:

Winning games and ultimately flags has nothing to do with making an ar$e of yourself in public.

That must be why we got rid of the "good times buddy" coach and brought in the disciplinarian hey, because culture is not important....?

  On 28/12/2012 at 11:24, Bitter but optimistic said:

BTW Jumpin - I meant to say Rip Van Winkle. When you spend as much time in fairyland as I do , it's easy to get confused.

Busy catching butterflies in your maze out on the acreage no doubt .

You treechangers just don't give a sh!t about anything do you?

  On 29/12/2012 at 02:03, Biffen said:

Busy catching butterflies in your maze out on the acreage no doubt .

You treechangers just don't give a sh!t about anything do you?

Catching butterflies is so passe. My class prefers blasting away at endangered species with the 12 gauge.

Mark Neeld Aug 22, 2012

The Dees are an "inexperienced group of footballers developing elite habits.”

Fail.

  On 29/12/2012 at 03:43, jnrmac said:

Mark Neeld Aug 22, 2012

The Dees are an "inexperienced group of footballers developing elite habits.”

Fail.

You'd think he's talking about on training track, in the gym, and in the class room.

Not in their own personal free time, which he'd rarely observe.

Genius.

  On 29/12/2012 at 04:03, José Mourinho said:

You'd think he's talking about on training track, in the gym, and in the class room.

Not in their own personal free time, which he'd rarely observe.

Genius.

I'm not defending the post, as I think this whole thing was dumb but overblown, but to think Neeld and Co. wouldn't care about the players personal habits seems a bit naive, especially given they've all been handed diaries to fill out from Misson during their "free time".

He seemed to "observe" Sylvia's personal free time early in the year....

  On 29/12/2012 at 02:56, Bitter but optimistic said:

Catching butterflies is so passe. My class prefers blasting away at endangered species with the 12 gauge.

I heard fruit-pickers were hard to find .

Now I know why.

Still ,if they are working too slowly ,you have to encourage them somehow.

  On 29/12/2012 at 04:13, Biffen said:

I heard fruit-pickers were hard to find .

Now I know why.

Still ,if they are working too slowly ,you have to encourage them somehow.

Can you guys just PM each other please. You're hijacking far too many threads with all this BS. Ta.

  On 29/12/2012 at 04:12, stuie said:

I'm not defending the post, as I think this whole thing was dumb but overblown, but to think Neeld and Co. wouldn't care about the players personal habits seems a bit naive, especially given they've all been handed diaries to fill out from Misson during their "free time".

He seemed to "observe" Sylvia's personal free time early in the year....

You missed the point.

Neeld's quote is not in reference to how the players spend their free time, and is in no way a "fail."

Only a fool would contend otherwise.

There's no naivety, nor suggestion that Neeld wouldn't care.

You've imagined that.

And the "diaries", or lists of requirements to be met before returning from break would place no restriction on what the players are able to with the rest of their time off.